Normal 2302: Magical Girls | GAME OVER

[geraintm]

12 not voting?

[geraintm]

hi guys,

just an fyi that i am town, and as such you don't need to worry about sorting my slot. takes it down from 12 players to 11 for y'all so hopefully we can all agree i'm chill and move on.

on another note,
VOTE: Elements

Instant townread. I'm also town so no need to worry about my slot. Takes it from 11 to 10. We got this!

VOTE: hu toa

[geraintm]

game so slow is really weird

It's day 1, what do you expect?

[geraintm]

Day 1s can be exciting

I beg to differ

[geraintm]

Checks bo reaspn not to vote them.....
None

VOTE: bristep

[geraintm]

Is there normally 3 scum in a 13 player?

Yes, but just come from a game with only 2

[geraintm]

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Elements
sheepsaysmeep
bristep123
OopsieDaisy
Save The Dragons

PROBABLY GONNA PING...

geraintm

I AM NOT IMPRESSED

Merlyn
Emperor flippyNips
towwl

SCUM

Hu Tao (Because he explained his vote for me LOL)
Morning Tweet (I feel sneaky agenda vibes in the posts)

UNBROKEN STREAK OF ROLLING SCUM SINCE 2007

curiouskarmadog

Ping

[geraintm]

Is there normally 3 scum in a 13 player?

I normally assume 1 mafia for every 3 town

Yes, but just come from a game with only 2

What was the game? I'm interested in the setup

2300. Very little power on eithernside

[geraintm]

Bristep's reaction to pressure pinged me as slightly scummy but im not as hot about it right now

UNVOTE:

"i found what they did scummy, but i am going to unvote them"

that about right?

[geraintm]

Seems to be about right. Your vote seemed like a lazy wagon hop but you’ve got d1 form for that from 2300 - maybe give out some naughty points or are you not doing that this game?

As much as weak hop-ons ping me I’m also curious about those who have town read me without any real explanation as well because that could easily be setting up for the town flip if I’m eliminated -‘see, I was right’.

Elsewhere, Karma/Elements feels like town/town to me and Oopsie remains my strongest feeling for town.

Bristep, are you replying to my post at Mornkng Tweet?

[geraintm]

Seems to be about right. Your vote seemed like a lazy wagon hop but you’ve got d1 form for that from 2300 - maybe give out some naughty points or are you not doing that this game?

As much as weak hop-ons ping me I’m also curious about those who have town read me without any real explanation as well because that could easily be setting up for the town flip if I’m eliminated -‘see, I was right’.

Elsewhere, Karma/Elements feels like town/town to me and Oopsie remains my strongest feeling for town.

No naughty points so far this game.
And my vote for you was nothing to do with anything you had done

[geraintm]

I maintain gerantm is legit a little villagery unless he truly plays identical D1s wolf/villa, something to look into

i think i am fairly similar either way, but i will say i am easily solveable as the game progresses, i think i am obvious as scum

[geraintm]

@karmadog

You are rightness had no good reason to vote them. I checked if I had a reason not to vote them,but as I didn't have one I joined everyone else

[geraintm]

@karmadog

You are rightness had no good reason to vote them. I checked if I had a reason not to vote them,but as I didn't have one I joined everyone else

that was awhile ago, thoughts now? who is scum?

I have nonidea who is scum. How would I know who it is on day 1?

[geraintm]

@morjjng Tweet.

Day 1 there isn't anything to be gained. Wagons form with scum manipulating them.
People's reads are based on nothing, butbtheyvexpress them with such force how can you argue sensibly with them?

Day 2...some people will have information from their nughtbactions, it is no longer a blank slate. That is when I am happy to really start playing the game

[geraintm]

@morjjng Tweet.

Day 1 there isn't anything to be gained. Wagons form with scum manipulating them.
People's reads are based on nothing, butbtheyvexpress them with such force how can you argue sensibly with them?

Day 2...some people will have information from their nughtbactions, it is no longer a blank slate. That is when I am happy to really start playing the game

If the wagons form with scum manipulating them then I would say that there is much to be gained on day 1.

That also doesnt really account for D1 scum lims those are not usually according to scum manipulation. There's a ton of things happening both from town and scum PoV and us postulating guesses about what that might be is useful

People's reads are based on nothing, butbtheyvexpress them with such force how can you argue sensibly with them?

Lmao you got me there

Like....I can believe that some people might be able to see things about broken players that mean they are more likely to be scum than not, but instead of the expected 25% they might bump it to 30%?

But this is at the same time scum are coordinating among themselves to make sure they don't get eliminated, make sure they are distancing themselves, making sure they aren't all on the same wagon.

Overall I just think day 1 is net negative eV for town

[geraintm]

Hu Tao, what do you think of Emperor and Elements?

Naughty point for you
Don't ask others their opinions like that

[geraintm]

Don't ask others their opinions like that

Hey Ger, if you have been able to tell yet, this is a ridiculous statement

but ill bite.

Why do you believe that?

It felt like they were asking someone else rheir opinions on a 3rd or 4th player - ready to use that to justify their own reads.

It sets them up for votes they never believed in but can get away with

[geraintm]

HighPrincessErinys [ 3 ] sheepsaysmeep, geraintm, Save the Dragons

seems like a bad wagon

Back after 2 days at legoland

I agree, this is a terrible wagon

[geraintm]

Don't ask others their opinions like that

Hey Ger, if you have been able to tell yet, this is a ridiculous statement

but ill bite.

Why do you believe that?

It felt like they were asking someone else rheir opinions on a 3rd or 4th player - ready to use that to justify their own reads.

It sets them up for votes they never believed in but can get away with

How much mafia have you played?

Lets say person A wants to know/get the stance on record of who Person B and C, think are scum...how would they do that?

Played some, but always badly.

I suppose youncan ask, but too many times it is done so you mean later agree with that reasoning and use it to justify your own vote. Why I awarded a naughty point

[geraintm]

HighPrincessErinys [ 3 ] sheepsaysmeep, geraintm, Save the Dragons

seems like a bad wagon

Back after 2 days at legoland

I agree, this is a terrible wagon

did u get any legos

this is an alignment indicative question btw. Be cautious how u answer

I still have my childhood castle lego set, the girls didn't want to get any.

[geraintm]

VOTE: HPE

if it wasnt for this vote i would have switched wagons

[geraintm]

Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?

That’s standard procedure

what, a claim or intent to hammer?

[geraintm]

So why does that stink to you?

Because from what I know about large normal 243, Hu Tao was wrongly voted out when they were town and so when I see them similarly getting pushed here I'm worried about another misvote on the slot based on what is just them making reads that don't make much sense to us.

Alongside this I scumread you and STD has strong associations with you through voting. Seeing you both on the wagon worries me too.

most people get voted off wrongly. scum arent dumb.
this post screams "i know they are going to flip green and wantt o get that in now"

naughty point for you

[geraintm]

but if someone doesnt ask someone else's stance...How does ANYONE know? this reasoning is just really bad.

could wlel be bad, i am never claiming to be a good player.

[geraintm]

Hey Gera, who is scum and why? Ill go ahead and take that "naughty point" because I asked.

<checks role message>
<wasn't told who were my scum partners>

yeah, it is day 1 i have no idea who is scum.

no one does

[geraintm]

I could vote Erinys as well.

man, ive just gone back through your posts and they suck

this post saying you could vote erinys
a random vote for Hu Toa because you are "ready to slay"
a town read you faked dissapating
another town read gone because ??
firebringer is always town?

2 more "these people are town slots"

VOTE: drippinggoofball

[geraintm]

@oopsiedaisy

you can do it in different ways, and this felt like you were performing the whole slot is going to get voted off and woe is town

[geraintm]

Gera you're "I don't like D1" but also you seem to find something suspicious about everyone I feel like you kinda get it tbh

Even if it's DGB's natural way of playing that is setting of your radar

She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions

I think I've given out 3 or so naughty points and one proper vote. I still hate day 1s

[geraintm]

geraintm has been prodded

I've only gone a day without posting:(

I don't want a full claim
Let's leave some mystery to it all

[geraintm]

Intent to hammer whatever gets to e1

Why can't we all just get along

[geraintm]

popping in, not going to change my vote, you all work out which sacrifical lamb you prefer.
but today is a gret example of why day 1s suck

[geraintm]

popping in, not going to change my vote, you all work out which sacrifical lamb you prefer.
but today is a gret example of why day 1s suck

Lmfao u win

i do? go me i guess, suck it scum & town!

[geraintm]

It is gone midnight here, just popping in quickly

@morning tweet - i aint sweating at all, but i dont think it is because i am scum.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

First thought upon seeing who died

why STD?
and i was expecting more from you than this honestly, i assumed you would have a long post ready to go

[geraintm]

Covering the townleans, I believe Gera on their claim that they are easier to read later on in the game, with me having read 2300 and seen Gera in action. Alongside the fact that Gera kinda didn't really participate/contribute much yesterday, there simply isn't enough to read this slot on for Gera to be a worthwhile execution as the game is right now.

ah, you are sweet to say nice things about me

[geraintm]

Town

Emperor flippyNips
Towwl
Morning Tweet
OopsieDaisy
Hu Tao
DrippingGoofball
sheepsaysmeep
Save The Dragons
Merlyn

geraintm
curiouskarmadog

bristep123

Scum

Elevated chance of a buddy in the bolded names.

any particular reason you have me bolded besides me voting for you yesterday?

[geraintm]

Town

Morning Tweet
sheepsaysmeep
curiouskarmadog
OopsieDaisy
Towwl
Hu Tao
Emperor flippyNips
DrippingGoofball
Save The Dragons
Merlyn
bristep123

geraintm

Scum

I would bank on the bolded being a partner.

so, how come you aint voting me?

[geraintm]

List of things to scratch your chin to, from my D1 ISO of {Elements, DGB, STD, Firebringer/Merlyn, Tweet}

Spoiler:

74, 86, 182, 183: Tweet prods at Elements a bit for being flakey scum, ends up townreading her. I think this progression more or less makes sense, and it doesn't really seem like a scum/scum interaction.
178: Merlyn goes after CKD for his push on Elements
179: Merlyn says Elements' strategy is "lousy"
200: DGB's third post is a strong TR of Elements. Elements likes it (211)
286: STD collapses the "meh"-taverse, but leaves Elements as "i'm not sure".
313: I think this post from MT is really towny
324: But this readslist from MT is bad with Elements near the top and bri/HT/Emp at the bottom. But to be fair, these three were at the bottom of a lot of people's lists. Still worth noting I think.
359: STD says Elements is not careful enough to be scum, proposes "Merlyn/FB, hu tao, and bristep. maybe efn too".
368: STD says Elements is most likely to just be trolling town
395, 396: STD asks about Elements' early readslists/CKD read, and notes Elements' change in energy from start-of-day. I don't like either of these posts at all.
401: Firebringer claims scum and votes CKD
427: Tweet begins the HT wagon over HT being pinged by MT's Emp vote
433: DGB votes HT
434: Elements votes HT
443: STD votes HT
492: Elements votes DGB. This vote seems very much like a comedy vote. Not really sure how to read into it.
496, 499, 500, 503, 504: String of solve-y posts from MT. I think I like these posts a good bit.
507: FB jokey vote on Elements for Elements jokey vote on DGB. Imagine if the team is Elements/DGB/FB. That would be very funny.
523: STD votes HPE
525: Elements votes HPE
544: DGB says "The simple explanation is that Hu Tao is scum"
546: FB votes HT, in agreement with DGB. Further making the Ele/DGB/FB team very funny. Probably too funny to be true at this point.
577: Elements votes HT
594: MT unvotes HT
610: DGB will not vote HPE
612: MT doesn't like an HPE vote, Emp is a "shot in the dark", wants more from HT. Seems pretty unsure about all the leading wagons at this point.
617: Firebringer won't vote HPE (in accordance with DGB)
656: MT votes Emperor
660: DGB willing to vote Emperor
668: DGB goes "back and forth on HPE"
680: Elements declares "Intent to hammer whatever gets to e1"
687: DGB Really wants HT out
688: DGB says Elements isn't looking good
725: STD is ready to barrel through claims (near EoD, kinda justifiable I guess)
765: STD votes HPE
812: MT unvotes Emperor
815: MT votes HT (voted the liar, which is a plus I guess)
850, 851, 853: Firebringer is bored.
863: Firebringer thinks liar!HT is not alignment indicative
866, 868, 870: Firebringer very vaguely argues in favor of town!Elements and bringing her far into the game. Looks pretty bad
872: STD votes HT
891: FB claims PT with Elements. WTF?
905: FB will award town points to STD for scum!HT flip. I think this is indicative of something, but I'm not sure what of.
924: Elements claims PT with Firebringer

Feeling better about Morning Tweet after this, she feels very townie to me right now. Still don't really know what to think about DGB, maybe she's on the town side of null? Firebringer I feel a lot worse about. I still feel bad about STD.

if i am everscum in a game with you, i am killing too post haste. i don't want to go up against someone who will bury me in facts like this

[geraintm]

so,that was the final vote

Hu Tao [ 7 ] drippinggoofball, firebringer,

elements

, Morning Tweet, save the dragons, oopsiedaisy,

HighPrincessErinys

,
Elements [ 3 ] towwl, Curiouskarmadog, sheepsaysmeep
HighPrincessErinys [ 2 ]

hu tao

, Emperor FlippyNips
DrippingGoofball [ 1 ]

geraintm

this is the vote where HPE was longest

HighPrincessErinys [ 5 ]

hu tao

, Emporer flippynips, sheepsaysmeep, towwl, Save the Dragons
Hu Tao [ 3 ] DrippingGoofball, firebringer,

Elements

Emperor flippyNips [ 2 ]

HighPrincessErinys

, Morning Tweet
DrippingGoofball [ 1 ]

geraintm

i can't work out what would have been scum's interests to switch from HPE to Hu Toa....unless they beleived the claim and wanted them gone.

need to go back and check the reasoning of the votes on Hu Toa and how bad they were as excuses to switch to a claimed PR (even if that person was lying)

[geraintm]

Hmm Idk how to feel about the daisy case cos she’s the whole reason I scum read element

yeah I think daisy looks good for starting up the wagon yesterday

i dont really want Daisy gone

[geraintm]

i still kinda want to vote for dripping goofball

[geraintm]

going through the votes from post 779 when HPE was longest wagon to hu toa's elimination and see what the reasoning was to switch to Hu Toa

VOTE: Hu Tao

Want a fullclaim here now.

nothing to go on here

hu tao's activity patterns indicate he wont fucking come back lmao

Well I'm not voting a claimed Rolecop or Vig soooo wcyd

hu tao's activity patterns indicate he wont fucking come back lmao

Well I'm not voting a claimed Rolecop or Vig soooo wcyd

VOTE: Elements

Actually yea u right.

UNVOTE: Hu Tao
VOTE: Elements

bit more shortly after.
and then an unvote

VOTE: Hu Tao

Not letting this go

vote elements.

elements [ 5 ] towwl, OopsieDaisy, Curiouskarmadog, HighPrincessErinys, sheepsaysmeep
Hu Tao [ 4 ] DrippingGoofball, firebringer, Elements, Morning Tweet
HighPrincessErinys [ 3 ] hu tao, Emporer flippynips, Save the Dragons
DrippingGoofball [ 1 ] geraintm


this is my count if this vote counts

there was an unofficial vote count, elements has picked up steam - as we know they turn out red i am giving a Strong town lean to Sheepsaysmeep. as in i cannot see me voting for them ever.

i think i want to do VOTE: hu tao

next vote was from STD on hu toa

I can't hammer Hu Tao, I'm already on the wagon

In that case

UNVOTE: Elements
VOTE: Hu Tao

I can't see another player's wagon getting through in 2 hours unfortunately.

and then Ooops votes for Hu Toa again.

and then HPE comes in with the hammer.

so, it was the STD and Oops votes on Hu Toa that look worse.
and i am giving Sheep a green colour too.

[geraintm]

VOTE: save teh dragoni think, having looked how yesterday progressed that STD is a happyish place to vote

[geraintm]

Ah bugger, information his vote. He isnon the naughty step.too

[geraintm]

Forgot his vote

[geraintm]

not nesseccarily all, but a high chance scum had to come in after the unofficial vote count from Sheep that had their partner at 5 votes and the biggest wagon.

Sheep voted for elements in 827. (the 5th)
Morning Tweet for Hu in 819 (the 4th vote)

Save the dragon voted Hu in 872
they had been on HPE in 765

you voted Hu in 795
then switched to Elements 801
and back to Hu in 892

so you went back and forth from town to scum to town
morning tweet could have been trying to push away from elements in 819, but that was before elements got that 5th vote from Sheep
Save the dragon moved from HPE who we know was town to Hu, also town. that is the one that looks the worst to me and why i am voting for them, even after you reminded me of Morning Tweets vote

i hope you appreciate the effort i am putting in and know i am town

[geraintm]

Who said they were still thinking about goofball?

i still kinda want to vote for dripping goofball

It was Gera but I think that's changed now.

Yes, that would be me

[geraintm]

Who said they were still thinking about goofball?

i still kinda want to vote for dripping goofball

It was Gera but I think that's changed now.

Yes, that would be me

Did that change because std looks worse or?

yeah

[geraintm]

Dripping goofball was mostly a day 1 read, and i cannot keep that going once we hit day 2 and actual knowable actions

[geraintm]

so, it was the STD and Oops votes on Hu Toa that look worse.
and i am giving Sheep a green colour too.

Sorry, I work better doing the homework myself

wow this was incredible useful and insightful. only if it wasnt already done.

[geraintm]

Messed up that quote, but you get the idea

[geraintm]

would putting std at e-1 before he's gone for 5 days rather than during be considered a generosity

i can't see a compelling case being made by anyone for anyone else really at the moment.

[geraintm]

Ugh I'm sorry. Been busy with survivor meet prepping and work is hectic as well so I can't do what I normally do which is play at work

I'm a novice doctor.

You knew you were a likely elimination today, and you wait till now to make this claim.

I don't buy it at all

[geraintm]

Ok yea I think I see your logic. StD's alignment will become indicative from what happens tonight anyways (well, either that or our vig survives), so why waste our vote on em right now when we could vote another one of our suspicions. I've got a strong x to doubt on there being two separate mafia doctors so either StD is telling the truth and is town, or is bsing and scum.

The issue is I'm not sure if I believe it, the claim is mighty convenient.

i am of the opinion that the doc claim is useless.
there will be no way of confirming them overnight, it would be very convenient if scum get their night kill and the doc didn't manage to save anyone

[geraintm]

std claim is more likely fake than not fake but we can try to play "follow the vig" for a bit

yea

i am genuienly curious what people are going to do with STD tomorrow if scum get their night kill. i think we will be in no better possition then than we are right now.

[geraintm]

I don't believe STD but at the same time I don't want to vote him out today, I think we can look elsewhere.

Basically I'm thinking is doc!STD should just protect Emperor and die tonight, giving us another vig shot from Emperor. And then we figure out what to do Day 3 if STD is still alive. In the meantime we can look more into MT, DGB, or FB

Then if I die we know std was in fact not a doctor and lied, like a liar and vote them tomorrow

why do you assume scum re going to try and kill you?
at this stage, if i were scum i would be playing the odds that you dont hit scum tonight and do them a favour

[geraintm]

Ugh I'm sorry. Been busy with survivor meet prepping and work is hectic as well so I can't do what I normally do which is play at work

I'm a novice doctor.

You knew you were a likely elimination today, and you wait till now to make this claim.

when do you think I good time to make the claim would have been?

not sure, but right before they disappear for 5 days wasnt it.

[geraintm]

STD is playing quite scummy,

he (with OD) led us off the scum wagon to kill town.

his claim is WAY to convenient.

I understand towwl's logic, but until I see a wagon that makes MORE sense. I am staying.

If you agree with Towwl's logic, why not wagon me?

i have zero interest in pushing a wagon on you today, i am happy with STD

[geraintm]

Ugh I'm sorry.

Been busy with survivor meet prepping and work is hectic as well so I can't do what I normally do which is play at work

I'm a novice doctor.

I also dont believe he has been busy...

between his last post (before the above)

i tr every other slot pretty much so i'm wrong

Who do you tr the least

firebringer i guess? im gonna try to look at some isos though probably tomorrow at work to see if i can come up with something i feel more confident in

he posted 14 times and 5 different times.

there hasnt been much action in here during that time.

more likely than not, they decided in their scum thread for him to back off here, and crafted this WAY TOO convenient claim.

my vote stays.

This is really compelling

agree
if STD flips red, then i am pushing Curiouskarmadog into my town pile

[geraintm]

why do people value a vig shot so highly?

this is a time though where others are better at this game than me and i just dont get the common wisdom

[geraintm]

Ugh I'm sorry. Been busy with survivor meet prepping and work is hectic as well so I can't do what I normally do which is play at work

I'm a novice doctor.

You knew you were a likely elimination today, and you wait till now to make this claim.

when do you think I good time to make the claim would have been?

not sure, but right before they disappear for 5 days wasnt it.

so generally if someone is VLA, they should just claim before they go? I am asking specifically for STD. WHEN would have been the right time to claim?..and lets throw in a "why?" too.

no, but i am pretty sure there was a wagon on them and they must have realised they ran the risk of being run up and a claim being needed, and especially with a "role" that was going to cause nothing but annoyance.
if they were town, they should have done better than just make that claim with zero crumbs to it.
that is just scandoulously bad town behaviour.

[geraintm]

MY case on DGB really just boils down to PoE at this point. I'm town, emp is town, ckd has gotta be town, oopsies surely town, sheep seems very town, I feel like gera is town. STD is probably scum, but I'm giving him a pass for now, so then there's at least 1 more in FB/DGB/MT. Firebringer is probably going to die N2 anyways, so then we look at MT and DGB and MT just has a lot of posts that make me think she is town, so I feel best putting a vote down on DGB since I have the least reason to townread her over anybody else I'd be interested in being the yeet today.

as long as Firebringer is the agreed Vig, then i will follow the plan to DGB

[geraintm]

or we can kill scum versus trying to work with them.

There doesn't seem to be the desire to do that.
But I am.not going to go anywhere else

[geraintm]

Besides those 2

[geraintm]

VoteCount 2.3

Morning Tweet [ 4 ]

sheepsaysmeep, towwl, Firebringer, OopsieDaisy

Save The Dragons [ 3 ]

Morning Tweet, Curiouskarmadog, Geraintm

geraintm [ 1 ]

Drippinggoofball

Not Voting [ 2 ]

Save the Dragons, Emperor FlippyNips

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-06-21 16:24:31)

Sorry folks, please be patient with me, I am pretty extreme V/LA right now due to being at survivor meet.

What happened to the plan?
Dgb was thr plan wasn't it?
I go away for a day and this happens??

[geraintm]

I think it's just in std/gera/morning

gera is struggling to create content

morning's motivation is so low like even less than mine that it's just kinda bd

Early on today I did my best to work through who I thought was scum, came up with some thoughts but since then I have been trying to follow the thoughts of other players who are better than me.
I thought there was a plan, but then the plan changed and I'm confused

[geraintm]

are we killing STD tomorrow, like 99% of the time bar something really, really weird happening?

[geraintm]

Do others agree to that?

[geraintm]

VOTE: morjjng tweet

I am going with the lead of others I think are town and believe in their plan

[geraintm]

Well, that was a game