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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:33 am

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In post 324, geraintm wrote: @morjjng Tweet.

Day 1 there isn't anything to be gained. Wagons form with scum manipulating them.
People's reads are based on nothing, butbtheyvexpress them with such force how can you argue sensibly with them?

Day 2...some people will have information from their nughtbactions, it is no longer a blank slate. That is when I am happy to really start playing the game
If the wagons form with scum manipulating them then I would say that there is much to be gained on day 1.

That also doesnt really account for D1 scum lims those are not usually according to scum manipulation. There's a ton of things happening both from town and scum PoV and us postulating guesses about what that might be is useful
In post 324, geraintm wrote: People's reads are based on nothing, butbtheyvexpress them with such force how can you argue sensibly with them?
Lmao you got me there
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:41 am

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In post 315, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 313, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 312, OopsieDaisy wrote: Also sadly as much as I am suspicious of Bristep, that wagon is petering out and so my vote is ultimately gonna be more useful for us elsewhere.

UNVOTE: Bristep

Train is stopping now, will evaluate the possible wagons properly once I'm home.
I think u should come back, it was a top wagon before u unvoted
Is there anything new with bristep? I feel like him being a top wagon is stalling the game (or is it stalling because he's not reacting?) either way it's not going anywhere.

I'd vote Bristep over DGB or nulls but only at the end of the day
Yea Tweet hit the nail on the head here. Whilst I feel Bristep is currently the slot I think is most likely to flip scum, the wagon has stagnated and staying on it isn't going to do anything to change/mix-up the state of the game for now.

In order to make Day 1 useful, you want to use your votes and reads to make people make decisions, so that later down the line Day 1 can be a useful reference point when trying to figure out who's scum on Day 4/5 or smth.

It's also about making people's early game flips as valuable as possible. If someone who's said like a couple weak reads dies, it doesn't tell us as much compared to if someone who's been strongly pushing x player/hard defending y player/etc. dies. Sure a lot of kills come down to WIFOM but being able to verify whether the source of an opinion is town or scum is obvs super useful.

With this in mind, I'm going to be voting Elements. As I've stated before I'm already suspicious of El due to previous interactions, but I also feel that due to the actions of several players, the info gained from me pushing this will be a good asset for us going forward in the day (yes I'm being deliberately kinda vague here which I don't enjoy, but it's better than playing an open hand and showing scum exactly what I'm looking for).

VOTE: Elements

Should also clarify, this isn't me abandoning the Bristep wagon per se. I just think giving Bristep some space before we start talking about final votes might tell us more about their slot. I wanna see more from them and pushing them hard hasn't given us that "more" so it's worth trying something different whilst we have the space to do so.
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:06 am

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Back from London, I'll catch up in a couple of hours
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:08 am

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In post 317, Morning Tweet wrote: Hu Tao has DGB done anything other than that first vote that you found suspicious? I have no idea how you're getting a read there
Besides what i said, they basically just OMGUS me. And have not tried to actually read or access anyone. I don't see why anyone would townread them
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:11 am

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Hu Tao, what do you think of Emperor and Elements?
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:32 am

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Emperor i have no opinion on really. Elements I didn't like their reads list they tried to do even though afterward they tried to make it into a joke
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:45 am

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In post 327, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 324, geraintm wrote: @morjjng Tweet.

Day 1 there isn't anything to be gained. Wagons form with scum manipulating them.
People's reads are based on nothing, butbtheyvexpress them with such force how can you argue sensibly with them?

Day 2...some people will have information from their nughtbactions, it is no longer a blank slate. That is when I am happy to really start playing the game
If the wagons form with scum manipulating them then I would say that there is much to be gained on day 1.

That also doesnt really account for D1 scum lims those are not usually according to scum manipulation. There's a ton of things happening both from town and scum PoV and us postulating guesses about what that might be is useful
In post 324, geraintm wrote: People's reads are based on nothing, butbtheyvexpress them with such force how can you argue sensibly with them?
Lmao you got me there
Like....I can believe that some people might be able to see things about broken players that mean they are more likely to be scum than not, but instead of the expected 25% they might bump it to 30%?

But this is at the same time scum are coordinating among themselves to make sure they don't get eliminated, make sure they are distancing themselves, making sure they aren't all on the same wagon.

Overall I just think day 1 is net negative eV for town
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:46 am

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In post 331, towwl wrote: Hu Tao, what do you think of Emperor and Elements?
Naughty point for you
Don't ask others their opinions like that
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:10 am

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In post 334, geraintm wrote:
In post 331, towwl wrote: Hu Tao, what do you think of Emperor and Elements?
Naughty point for you
Don't ask others their opinions like that
What do you think of Emperor and Elements?
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:02 pm

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I got distracted and am now going to sleep, will catch up tomorrow
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:19 pm

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i'm disappointed no one laughed at my "meh"-taverse joke.

VOTE: bristep for now but i want to take a closer look at Elements too. I still prefer Hu Tao but I don't know if that's happening.
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:26 pm

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oh thats funny my eyes just glaze over walls
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:36 pm

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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:45 pm

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In post 334, geraintm wrote:
In post 331, towwl wrote: Hu Tao, what do you think of Emperor and Elements?
Naughty point for you
Don't ask others their opinions like that

Gera, what do you think of Hu and Elements.
NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:45 pm

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In post 335, towwl wrote:
In post 334, geraintm wrote:
In post 331, towwl wrote: Hu Tao, what do you think of Emperor and Elements?
Naughty point for you
Don't ask others their opinions like that
What do you think of Emperor and Elements?
damn got there too late.
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:46 pm

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gera what do you think of emperor, hu tao, and elements
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:56 pm

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In post 334, geraintm wrote: Don't ask others their opinions like that

Hey Ger, if you have been able to tell yet, this is a ridiculous statement

but ill bite.

Why do you believe that?
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:07 pm

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In post 294, Merlyn wrote: okay, fair enough, now that we have some real content I'll get some reads going tonight when I get back home.
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:19 pm

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Merlyn has requested replacement
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:25 pm

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Firebringer replaces merlyn
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:29 pm

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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:31 pm

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In post 343, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 334, geraintm wrote: Don't ask others their opinions like that

Hey Ger, if you have been able to tell yet, this is a ridiculous statement

but ill bite.

Why do you believe that?
It felt like they were asking someone else rheir opinions on a 3rd or 4th player - ready to use that to justify their own reads.

It sets them up for votes they never believed in but can get away with
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:31 pm

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Gera is town

Boom im game solving already and i don't even have to read the first 12 pages
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:43 am

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someone come chat with me
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:44 am

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I'm not reading 294
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