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[towwl]

I'm not reading 294

Did you read 285?

[OopsieDaisy]

I claim deathproof cop with a n0 guilty on
Hu Tao
OopsieDaisy
and curiouskarmadog


got the whole scum team. We can all go home now

Hey Fire can you do me a favour and scumread me so that my flip means something if I die in the night? Cause right now everyone bar Karma who's spoken about me has me as a townread and I'm worried that means I'm probably just getting sloshed tonight as a non-controversial mafia kill.

[Elements]

I'm not reading 294

Did you read 285?

Briefly, I'll look at it again

[OopsieDaisy]

i'm disappointed no one laughed at my "meh"-taverse joke.

VOTE: bristep for now but i want to take a closer look at Elements too. I still prefer Hu Tao but I don't know if that's happening.

I was originally gonna hound STD with questions about this since it came right after my post that imo had some strong logic for ditching the Bri wagon and hopping onto El (or well, just someone more active than Bri), but STD said they'd look into El too so I'm just noting my feelings about this for now and we'll circle back in a few days if STD decides to try and get by without looking into El.

[Elements]

I'm not reading 294

Did you read 285?

It's a good post.
I don't like how high ckd is on it, though I am biased.

ckd is tunneling on me, but not pushing it well? Their argument boils down to "Elements lied, and their reason for it is bad". In 148 they meniton when they would use meta, then highlight that again in 155 but do nothing with that? Either ckd looked at my passed games and didn't find anything they could use to back up their attack, or ckd didn't bother checking and is hoping the weight of someone lieing is enough for them to sit on me.

[Elements]

I like your EFN reasonsing too, I'll hop on that if the wagon grows

[towwl]

I like your EFN reasonsing too, I'll hop on that if the wagon grows

Everybody is saying the EFN wagon is viable but refusing to hop on. Feeling very lonely

[OopsieDaisy]

I like your EFN reasonsing too, I'll hop on that if the wagon grows

Everybody is saying the EFN wagon is viable but refusing to hop on. Feeling very lonely

Sorryyy I'm just stuck on the El/Bri sus reads right now. It's one of those wagons I'd vote if like, it was townreads or nulls as the current top wagons, but because the big wagons right now are El/Bri (I don't know who else is big it's been a while since the last VC and my memory is bad) I don't wanna change that until something about my reads changes.

[Elements]

I like your EFN reasonsing too, I'll hop on that if the wagon grows

Everybody is saying the EFN wagon is viable but refusing to hop on. Feeling very lonely

VOTE: efn

[Save The Dragons]

elements still has that "big scum energy" coming into the game but i think they've mellowed out a bit. im still kind of confused as to whether this is AI based on previous experience.

i think the making up reads to get discussion going is pretty out there for scum. i feel scum would be more careful and not try to draw attention to themselves by blatantly lying about reads. i know this sounds counterintuitive but i don't think elements is caught in a lie, i think they did a goofy play because they feel comfortable. apart from the "big scum energy" elements does seem rather relaxed. i don't know how comfortable they are playing scum though.

i'm not super keen on wagoning elements now as i think they'll become clearer in time and there's other slots i feel are far worse, like Merlyn/FB, hu tao, and bristep. maybe efn too.

[Thestatusquo]

Bristep has not picked up his prod and will be replaced

[Thestatusquo]

Emperor FlippyNips has been prodded

[curiouskarmadog]

I claim deathproof cop with a n0 guilty on
Hu Tao
OopsieDaisy
and curiouskarmadog


got the whole scum team. We can all go home now

seems legit

[curiouskarmadog]

Don't ask others their opinions like that

Hey Ger, if you have been able to tell yet, this is a ridiculous statement

but ill bite.

Why do you believe that?

It felt like they were asking someone else rheir opinions on a 3rd or 4th player - ready to use that to justify their own reads.

It sets them up for votes they never believed in but can get away with

How much mafia have you played?

Lets say person A wants to know/get the stance on record of who Person B and C, think are scum...how would they do that?

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not reading 294

Oh really?

I made a scum slip in there.

too many words for you?

Or are you just trying to get the game started right now?

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not reading 294

Did you read 285?

It's a good post.
I don't like how high ckd is on it, though I am biased.
ckd is tunneling on me, but not pushing it well? Their argument boils down to "Elements lied, and their reason for it is bad". In 148 they meniton when they would use meta, then highlight that again in 155 but do nothing with that? Either ckd looked at my passed games and didn't find anything they could use to back up their attack, or ckd didn't bother checking and is hoping the weight of someone lieing is enough for them to sit on me.

add to it, you are not scum hunting.

what is your case on someone? Who is scum and why?

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not reading 294

Did you read 285?

It's a good post.
I don't like how high ckd is on it, though I am biased.
ckd is tunneling on me, but not pushing it well? Their argument boils down to "Elements lied, and their reason for it is bad". In 148 they meniton when they would use meta, then highlight that again in 155 but do nothing with that? Either ckd looked at my passed games and didn't find anything they could use to back up their attack, or ckd didn't bother checking and is hoping the weight of someone lieing is enough for them to sit on me.

also it is a bit of another lie to say I am tunneling on you. I mean how do you know if you havent read ALL of my posts...like 294.

so did you read 294 or not?

[curiouskarmadog]

elements still has that "big scum energy" coming into the game but i think they've mellowed out a bit. im still kind of confused as to whether this is AI based on previous experience.

i think the making up reads to get discussion going is pretty out there for scum. i feel scum would be more careful and not try to draw attention to themselves by blatantly lying about reads. i know this sounds counterintuitive but i don't think elements is caught in a lie, i think they did a goofy play because they feel comfortable. apart from the "big scum energy" elements does seem rather relaxed. i don't know how comfortable they are playing scum though.

i'm not super keen on wagoning elements now as i think they'll become clearer in time and there's other slots i feel are far worse, like Merlyn/FB, hu tao, and bristep. maybe efn too.

what was that big scum energy they had then? by relax do you mean not post or scum hunt?

seems like you are making a bunch of excuses for them.


first they lied.

It wasnt to get something started...they thought I was town, then said I was scummy. I asked why and they gave fake reasoning.

ONLY after I caught them, did they back track.

to get me off their back, Elements then said I was town.

NOW I am scum again, because I am tunneling (even though they dont really know because they didnt read my catch up post).

for the record, that "big scum energy" is gone now? At what point, do you think that scum energy dissipated?

[Save The Dragons]

do you really think scum are going to get caught in the easiest lie i've ever seen be posted on mafiascum

it just seems like trolling is more likely

[Thestatusquo]

HighPrincessErinys replaces Bristep123

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hellooooo. This one just woke up and is already having kind of a bad day for external reasons, but please do send me posts and summaries and it'll try to catch up and analyze when it can.

[Elements]

I'm not reading 294

Oh really?

I made a scum slip in there.

too many words for you?

Or are you just trying to get the game started right now?

Why are you being so agressive?

add to it, you are not scum hunting.

what is your case on someone? Who is scum and why?

I'm town hunting

also it is a bit of another lie to say I am tunneling on you. I mean how do you know if you havent read ALL of my posts...like 294.
so did you read 294 or not?

So when I say it it's a lie, but when Towwl says it, it doesn't warrent any comment?

[OopsieDaisy]

One question I have Karma.

see, NOW this is where a meta comes in.

if I go back and read your other games, will I find Day 1 read to be 80% made up?

You state here that the meta matters with your read on El, where if they made up reads in other games that would affect your read on them. (at least that's what i'm getting from this post lemme know if i'm wrong)

Then, in 205 I state that I am fairly unsurprised to see that El had lied about her read on you, as this matches up decently well with the meta I have of her. Alongside this, in 227 Tweet states her meta read on Elements sees her flaking out as scum. At that point in the day, Elements was one of the most active posters in the town and thus a scum!el world contradicts Tweet's meta read.

Despite this, I've seen zero acknowledgement of either of these meta reads in your analysis. You did talk about 205 in your 294, but all your comment here tells me is how hard focused you are on getting the wagon going through brute force and pressure rather than talking about the things that at the time were standing in the way of your wagon (Meta reads, El's proactivity being good to keep in the game, etc.).

205, OD says she would have no problem joining element wagon, but stays on the Bris wagon for....what was the reason (need to look up)

^^ this is the quote I'm talking about.

I'll also answer the question here again even tho I've talked about this at length, as iirc Karma didn't like people pointing them to previous posts - Bri was someone I scumread harder because there weren't any strong counterpoints to the Bristar wagon. Bristar wasn't playing proactively, Bristar's meta painted their slot in a harsh scummy light as their town play was known to be stoic/unemotional (and yet reacted with some bite at my RVS vote), etc. The Elements wagon was tempting, but the proactive nature of Elements' play made me want to keep my vote away from El at the time. Obvs that has changed now, but that's due to the Bristar slot going cold, so any push there isn't gonna be bringing the town new info.

I'm wondering now if bringing these meta reads on Elements to your awareness has changed your read on her at all?

[OopsieDaisy]

Hellooooo. This one just woke up and is already having kind of a bad day for external reasons, but please do send me posts and summaries and it'll try to catch up and analyze when it can.

Hiii, I'm asking the new players to sus read me because most people in the game have been townreading me, so you should spice it up for us

(Also your slot was pretty inactive and played against their town meta so you're currently high on my scum list, it's like a perfect set-up for a 1v1 :3)

[HighPrincessErinys]

(Also your slot was pretty inactive and played against their town meta so you're currently high on my scum list, it's like a perfect set-up for a 1v1 :3)

Pardon me, but didn't you say your town meta on that slot was... a pregame?