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Dunn what are ur strongest reads off the top of ur head? Can’t rly tell from a skim- Aisa
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^ Good question. Seconding that.
Looking at it more carefully now I don't think it's a great look.In post 1114, Aureal wrote:
Aisa, what do you think about Dunn's pushback against my vote?In post 1100, Aisa wrote:In post 1072, Aisa wrote:@sheep
Can you explain why they felt the game most similarly to you?In post 943, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
ehhh im on a pretty different wavelength, I think ceph+implo are the 2 who feel the game most similarly to me in a way that's probably just villa lo lIn post 937, skitter30 wrote: I'm somewhat questioning ceph and implo now. I don't really think csf is town
I'm still somewhat sketchy on andante's slot tbh@sheep
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I think I'm like at {Dunn, Delta, Aureal, sheep} in terms of slots I want to look at first, maybe with a chance of skitter once I reread skitt vs ceph
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He quotes from 1050 specifically, where you explain the reasons you have for voting him. As you said, wagonomics are not the only reason you're voting him, so I agree he is being a bit reductionist by asking why you're not voting for sheep in 1064 and 1071. It's difficult to think of a town motivation for 1071 other than him forgetting you also had other reasons for the vote, so I think it's +scum overall.
In general I don't find it all that worrying in isolation, but I'm worried that I'm finding it overall impossible to tell if his scumhunting is genuine or not.
For example, implosion's reasons for townreading Dunn in my head are "he has some original takes, and also doesn't feel like he's pushing an agenda". I think I can see why he'd be tempted to townread Dunn for his positioning. For example, I quite like this post:
I think this was a fairly original take at the time, yet he just puts it out there like it's the chillest thing in the world and doesn't need any elaboration. If he's town this is self-explanatory, if he's scum there's no obvious immediate path from making the post to towncred.In post 323, Dunnstral wrote: I like GuerillaWoo and would not want to see them go.
However, whiteknighting townies is a thing, scum not always pushing the obvious suspects is a thing, and implosion talks almost like he has never seen the scum playstyle of "pop in a couple times a day, state a couple reads, and get out" (<3)- Aisa
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I think dunn and aisa are most likely townShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
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@sheep why do u think your wim is still low here?ShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx- Umlaut
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Would kinda like to hear more from meg + deltaShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
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'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx- Umlaut
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Also like kinda want meg to confirm that her slot did indeed taks an action last night ...ShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
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'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
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idk hard to explain probably just a minor mix of out-of-game stuffIn post 1129, skitter30 wrote: @sheep why do u think your wim is still low here?- sheepsaysmeep
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first I was like "I feel like aisa is really really really wolf and my entire to-do list today is just to guide other people to that light and then today was productive enough"
now it's like, Asia's being mildly villagery, so when I start doing things I need to think about a ton and that's scary- Menalque
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implo, responding here because it's where you actually talk about it but I don't think that anything that Andy did is really particularly clearing for the slot?In post 807, implosion wrote: Regarding Andante, I think my read on her is now in the vicinity of "town, but can still be persuaded otherwise by someone who knows more about her". I don't think her Dunn case is scummy by any means, I just don't understand it at all (except for activity points). It's entirely possible that it's actually a good case that I just cannot physically parse.
I think her trajectory through this game sort of makes sense with how she'd feel as town; I think going to read people and latching onto a Dunn scumread is something she could definitely do as town. I think I tend to read her general sense of being pissed at the game state, like her indignance at the Enchant wagon and at people refusing to join her on Dunn, as townish. I think in that context her being pissed at people for not townreading her and assuming that she is the shining beacon of towniness is consistent with her mindset, it's just such a foreign mindset to me.
I mean, my impression of andante is that she is intense and scattered regardless with a tendency to tunnel as town and to fake tunnel as scum, all mixed in with a big ole helping of emotional volatility.
but looking back at her ISO... idk, I'm not seeing it really. I don't have her as locked in scum, but I think she was (1) overly sensitive about the wagon on her, a wagon which was only at 3 and which I now know was 2/3 town and quite possibly 3/3 town. I don't particularly care for the meta arguments, but I think she is overly worried in posts like 454 and 459 for the amount of actual pressure and I don't think the fact she might react like that as town is clearing. the PR claim so early is also, I think, way too preemptive. it's unfortunate because I think if she's town she does a lot of suboptimal stuff that gives her cover as scum basically.
she then super hard OMGUS' on Aisa who I'm currently town on, then pushes now confirmed town invisibility which I think is an awful push, then pushes on me for filler questions, then town reads enchant who even being town I think looked objectively terrible and I don't regret limming him at all (again, <3 u buddy)
uhh I have to go now but there is more I think
tl;dr Andy being indignant and irritated not town indicative"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."- Umlaut
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Seeking a replacement for Deltabreedy.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs- Cephrir
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It definitely is a thing and that post does sort of give me those vibes now that you point it out. Maybe because talking about it in terms of 'liking' is reminding me of another game where scum slightly pocketed me by lightly pushing against my wagon (which his partner was constantly trying to stir up ofc). Okay yeah, that it was phrased like "I don't like Aureal but I don't want them gone" but I think that's because he was also trying to pocket LLD.In post 1126, Aisa wrote: However, whiteknighting townies is a thing, scum not always pushing the obvious suspects is a thing, and implosion talks almost like he has never seen the scum playstyle of "pop in a couple times a day, state a couple reads, and get out" (<3)"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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What, you think it's contagious? The slot might be slightly cursed with illness and now Delta's VLA for a couple days like he usually is this time of week and so he can't get into the game after all, I don't think that's scum-indicative."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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no wait don't
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strongest opinion in the first few pages is sheep town
skitter posts are making me narrow eyes a lil bit but im often sus of skitter early and then figure it out later so we'll see how that develops- fireisredsir
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sometimes people in mafia games say the phrase "difference check" and i honestly don't know what it means but from context im gonna try to make a guess at how to use it and say that ceph reaction to sheep in 129 and implo's reaction in 141 is a difference check
for some reason ceph's feels much more like a town reading the game and sorting people and implo feels more like someone who is informed and sees a town person making a towny post and being like "well i guess they must be obvtown now"
he also feels a little self-aware of his own approach to games in 139 in a way that makes me feel like he might be actively thinking about that and trying to match it, idk that's a weak feeling- skitter30
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Heya fire
Those are certainly interesting takesShowHiatus once more.
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'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
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Hard to keep all the replacements straight in my mindShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx- fireisredsir
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i was gonna ask if you wanted to have a second rvs rn to make up for the original one being short and lacking in whimsy and funIn post 192, Cephrir wrote: bluh this game is getting serious too fast which i have recently learned is a trait of games i don't get invested in
VOTE: drew why not
but then i thought you might think i was trying to pocket you by asking
but then i think you tend to make this sort of post at times so maybe it'll appeal to you if you're town and you'll find me as town and all will be well
but maybe writing out how im aware of that it could appeal to you undercuts it- skitter30
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I think i can vote fireShowHiatus once more.
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