Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

[fireisredsir]

Heya fire
Those are certainly interesting takes

hi skitter

i didn't like your reaction to andante very much bc this seems like a list that may lack needed familiarity in order to call you out on it

but i guess off the top of my head i don't remember any examples of if you've had much past experience with andante. im pretty sure you've at least played with her before though?

[fireisredsir]

ok yea refreshed my memory and you definitely are familiar with andante. what about your reasoning in 161 made you think that was scum AI for andante? i don't think that you really think thats how to sort andante

it feels like one of those things that you can pick out because you know it looks like a reasonable take to the thread at large

[fireisredsir]

guerillawoo pinging me a bit in the way he says things but harder to judge bc i am unfamiliar with the player

[fireisredsir]

aisa looks towny to me but i have a possible vague memory of skimming a scumgame and being impressed so i may need to double check that

[skitter30]

ok yea refreshed my memory and you definitely are familiar with andante. what about your reasoning in 161 made you think that was scum AI for andante? i don't think that you really think thats how to sort andante

it feels like one of those things that you can pick out because you know it looks like a reasonable take to the thread at large

Didnt we like just do this two weeks ago
viewtopic.php?p=13754541#p13754541
viewtopic.php?p=13755129#p13755129

For the first question: posts like 120, 123, 91, 72, 71, 70

Are all divorced from the reality of the game *i'm* playing and i have no idea where she's getting these thoughts from

[skitter30]

Heya fire
Those are certainly interesting takes

hi skitter

i didn't like your reaction to andante very much bc this seems like a list that may lack needed familiarity in order to call you out on it

but i guess off the top of my head i don't remember any examples of if you've had much past experience with andante. im pretty sure you've at least played with her before though?

Idk what the middle paragraph means

[fireisredsir]

Didnt we like just do this two weeks ago

i mean yeah i still think the approach is valid even if i didn't get the right read on the first go at it in that game, i got there after not too long

but in this i think it's a more significant example of it because specifically i don't think you read andante that way? idk maybe its not worth debating until i read further

[skitter30]

Ok i just think it's a little silly to use the exact same approach that was, like, wrong

[fireisredsir]

the middle paragraph meant i think you know better

andante often looks wild and chaotic. people who are unfamiliar with her will probably be more likely to suspect her. people who are unfamiliar with you will probably be less likely to think you should have a certain approach to her

i think this playerlist seems like it could have more of both type of player in it, compared to say, panic room, which had a lot more familiarity with both, where you took this approach and townread her:

i think she just kinda freezes as scum tbh
or at least her iso/posts is a lot emptier and there's a lot less train-of-thought vibes when she's scum, and less content and more excuses about why she doesn't have as many reads
as town i think we just kinda get exactly what she's thinking, as she's thinking it

which is kinda what i'm seeing here

i think she is by nature noise-y and posture-y, but i wouldn't consider them scumtells for her

and like yeah you were scum but you still must be at least aware of andante patterns in order to make this post

[fireisredsir]

Ok i just think it's a little silly to use the exact same approach that was, like, wrong

you said the approach of seeing if you're striking the correct balance of appearing reasonable and on people's side was correct tho

thats still basically what im looking for

[skitter30]

It's a lot easier for me to get to the right read on her if i know her alignment, i don't think it's so easy for me to actually read her

And fair enuf

[fireisredsir]

disagreeing with most things implosion is saying on page 14

also kind of wanting to townbin aisa for that page

[fireisredsir]

skitter saying she didn't understand the Drew wagon and then switching to putting Drew at the bottom of her reads list specifically without explaining it until asked is possibly a towntell? I feel like if skitter-scum is catching up and makes that comment about Drew she'd usually feel the need to justify herself when she then puts drew in the bottom of a reads list, just flipping on a dime with no explanation and no relevant intervening content is sort of an unintuitive thing for scum to do.

this is a good post and also a good point tho

[fireisredsir]

i wasn't reading the flavor at first bc the text color is unreadable on sepia (the best theme) but after skitter commenting on it multiple times i started reading it and i agree it is cool

[fireisredsir]

i do like skitter's pressure on mena

could this be edition 36 of i scumread skitter's early game and then decide she's town after like 20 more pages

perhaps

[fireisredsir]

csf 724 is p good imo, wish she was still here :<

[fireisredsir]

sheep continues the goodposting top of page 36

[fireisredsir]

implosion sure did just call skitter "

eminently

reasonable" and that sure did just make me doubt my growing townread on her

thats probably unreasonable of me

[fireisredsir]

was kinda scumleaning dunn for most of the game but the andante replacement history post is definitely a thing town dunn does and prooobably not a thing scum dunn does

[Aisa]

Seeking a replacement for Deltabreedy.

Kill this immediately

I would have happily joined you on this venture, but the replacement happened so fast and now he is speaking so many words aaaah how am I ever going to kill this now

[fireisredsir]

if it makes you feel better the amount of words i speak is unrelated to my alignment!!

[Aisa]

Yes, but also there are certain regions of my brain that are not very good at remembering that, so it all remains to be seen!

[fireisredsir]

rapidly approaching current day and like 10 pages ago i had a decent pool of scumreads but now everyone keeps making posts that i agree with/i townread which is never a great sign and probably means the game is hard

[Aisa]

I’m not usually very lucid at this time of day so I’ll be back later with thoughts

Intrigued by the implosion read though

[fireisredsir]

implosion was specifically who i was thinking of when i said people that i suspect keep making towny posts

im not sure if it just feels denser due to reading the whole game at once but he is efforting pretty hard if scum and doing a pretty good job. im not sure how well i can express my suspicions there but ill try tomorrow morning, probably too sleepy to be coherent rn

i think the game is a lot easier if he's town and i think i might be able to find him if he is (i feel more confident in potentially being able to when engaging directly than backreading, for some reason), so im not sure if i want to push there especially