Spoiler: pages 10-15
this is going to be a very select few posts that i comment on. the rest of what i have to say is more general/vibes-based and i'll address it in a bit.
i don't feel like reading don's walls but pc's reasons to vote them aren't very strong.
advocating a bad play doesn't necessarily make someone scummy or warrant a vote.In post 224, Political Clout wrote:I also think donempire is slight scum for saying what he said about no lim being the worst option and not voting kowah.
In post 226, Political Clout wrote:In post 175, Donempire wrote:I don't like meta reading someone if they are used to doing scummy things as town. The reason people including me were suspect on his no-lim gameplan was because it would be forcing town into hibernation. Playing the game simply in mechanical terms would only benefit scum here. If that is how he plays as town!kowah, then we need to warn him that this helps scum and be suspicious of him anyways as the facts of the matter dont change. And fwiw, i don't buy meta reads, so i'm plainly reading people as per their actions, not their intentions.In post 56, Merlyn wrote:
Delta, why did you answer Invis's question and not mine?
But my statement is backed up by something- Kowah doing this as town in our previous game together. You were actually there too, though you replaced out pretty early, but I think you were still around when Kowah started advocating a D1 no lim policy there too.
I don't believe spitballing ideas itself is scummy. However i don't believe kowah has done enough to convince us of his game plan, which also with him abandoning his no-lim idea as he votes bingle makes it seem as though he wasn't that committed to it in the first place and was just saying it to get some content out.why didn't you warn kowah then that his actions were helping scum?and I feel like you are assuming a lot in kowah's intentions like he did x so y must be true it doesn't follow logically. In fact his inconsistency does give me pause let me do y but do x instead. I think that itself is worth exploring. at what point does someone go from 'spitballing' to advocating?
@ kowah how attached are you to no limming day 1?
as they said, they did.
and i don't really get the assumption thing.
and why is this weird?In post 228, Political Clout wrote: I'm not going to clutter by quoting a lot but I find it interesting that don says he likes invisibilities post and goes into a huge post about mechanical talk with kowah. feelweirdman.
240 good post.
In post 242, Kowahbunga wrote:I don't believe meta exists. I am fine with people using it if they feel they must, but to me it's usually coming from an egotistical mind set that "I'm able to solve this game when it can't be solved because of this other game". No one wants to admit that Day 1 is a crap shoot at best so someone invented meta reads as a way to act like they're special.In post 163, Bingle wrote: I can kind of understand why Kowah thinks that discussion doesn't hurt the proposed no lim, fwiw, and at this point I agree that the belief is a genuine one.
Kowah, what do you think about Merlyn's meta defense of you? Reasonable, unreasonable, banana?
From my experience with them, this is not a reflection on Merlyn as they do not seem like an egomaniac or anything and this is just my opinion of the general use of meta.
The only real game thought I had from Merlyn making that post is that it was scummy from them and it was an over correction from the previous game we were in. It felt like an attempt to buddy me because they spent most of that game attacking me (scum!merlyn trying a different approach to me since I caught them at the end in that game), sothey decided to mention a meta read from that game where I was town and (I felt) give me a soft town read, but then double backed and said it wasn't even a town read, which really didn't make any sense because all the wording really made me think it was, but then when they started seeing how many people picked up on it they wanted it to go back to neutral OR realized they were linking a game to this thread where they were scum and maybe they rolled scum again and didn't want anyone being able to use the same thing on them. It felt like they made the post and brushed it under the rug soon after.Like I get this is a huge stretch, but I am just opening up my thought process to put the thoughts into words. The meta read felt scummy to me, but I also think I'm overreacting to it. I also feel like I'm getting too close to letting meta guide my thoughts a bit here by using a previous game to support a reason someone is scum this game.
were you saying what you thought then or do you still believe these things? because merlyn didn't actually do any of that. she said you advocating for no-execution wasn't scum-indicative (in other words, didn't make you look scummier), not that it was town-indicative. she didn't change her stance on you at all. there was no tr there to double back on or brush under the rug.
this might be a tinfoily reason to townlean someone, but i think this is a real thought. nobody from those last couple of games was in this game at the point in time doc said this, so unless there's more context i'm not aware of, i don't see what would prompt him to fake this thought as scum.In post 286, Doctor Drew wrote:Also I do love repping into Jason's spot, gives me some much needed real time insight into their town game lol.
i liked the vibe of the original post and the follow-up here and in 372 is pretty good.In post 353, Doctor Drew wrote:I felt like they were trying to stear me in a direction and doing in a way like 'hey buddy, have some confidence in yourself', if that makes sense. Like they were doing me a favor.In post 304, Doctor Drew wrote:Don't try and manipulate me.In post 303, Political Clout wrote:I don't think you should discount your original position Dr. if how you felt is x it is incorrect for black to say well I felt y a long time ago it doesn't change the fact of the interaction in fact it makes your observation more relevant imo.In post 301, Black wrote:How? There's a contradiction in Kowah's words and his actions. I don't think I'm fabricating anything about thatIn post 298, Doctor Drew wrote: This post really seems like you are trying to make a case when it isn't there Black.
I don't understand why...I think it's pretty obvious how I feel about KowahIn post 298, Doctor Drew wrote: And I do like PC's question here.
It was a snap judgment that I immediately felt after reading it.
also i have no idea what pc is doing and i mean that in a sus way, not a null way.