Open 104 - The New C9 - Game Over

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Sun Tzu

for being the serial killer last time we played this setup.

[StrangerCoug]

As far as I know, you can't.

[StrangerCoug]

*grumble, grumble* I want to strangle omg_im_innocent_wtf right now. This happened last time I played The New C9 as well. I even voted the claimee that game (he turned out to really be the mason), but not without any objections to my move.

But omg_im_innocent_wtf, that was a really, really stupid move. There are some people that believe certain roles should be claimed outright, but a mason is not one of those roles.

zhaorx, Stef's been here longer than you have, so I would abstain from asking if he is retarded if I were you (especially since the mod's probably going to chew you out).

[StrangerCoug]

From what I can find on Google, "retarted" is an alternate spelling of "retarded", so they're one and the same insult.

[StrangerCoug]

um you can't lynch me D1. Who's going to hold all the pokemon then?

Trying to appeal to emotion now, aren't you?

Unvote: Sun Tzu
Vote: zhaorx

[StrangerCoug]

um you can't lynch me D1. Who's going to hold all the pokemon then?

Trying to appeal to emotion now, aren't you?

Unvote: Sun Tzu
Vote: zhaorx

no im appealing to common sense

No you are not appealing to common sense. Pokémon are irrelevant to this game.

[StrangerCoug]

i'm trying to help everybody. if you guys didn't have me, you'd be done.

You are helping nobody by saying you cannot be lynched due to something that has absolutely no bearing here. This is not a Pokémon theme game. This is an open, "flavorless" game (not that darkdude won't spice the death scenes up). Stop making fluff posts and actually scumhunt.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP due to crosspost:

I suspect I will refer often to "wolves" rather than "mafia". If this confuses you I apologize; it may be a hard habit to break.

Since there is only one anti-town faction other than the serial killer, we understand what you mean; however, keep in mind that in some games werewolves and Mafia are distinct.

[StrangerCoug]

Greasing someone's rails is a scum tell.

What is greasing someone's rails?

[StrangerCoug]

Sounds more to me like being mean to a skateboarder.

[StrangerCoug]

anyway, there's a scum among siesta, mada, cougar. bank on it.

Why? You give no reasoning whatsoever why you think we're scum.

people who have to come up with some "purpose" for putting a vote on someone on Day 1 is a solid scum tell.

OK, this can go either way. Some of us do what are called "pressure votes", and those aren't scummy. Voting someone to get that person policy lynched is usually scummy, though. Could you clarify what you're trying to tell us?

[StrangerCoug]

anyway, there's a scum among siesta, mada, cougar. bank on it.

Why? You give no reasoning whatsoever why you think we're scum.

people who have to come up with some "purpose" for putting a vote on someone on Day 1 is a solid scum tell.

OK, this can go either way. Some of us do what are called "pressure votes", and those aren't scummy. Voting someone to get that person policy lynched is usually scummy, though. Could you clarify what you're trying to tell us?

QFInconsistency. You purport not to understand what he's doing, then discuss an almost identical phenomenon.

I don't understand why he's been using irrelevant information to defend himself and, for all I care, pulling names out of a hat and calling the names he gets scum. I do not believe that he is pressure-voting SiestaGuru (see below). He's posting like he has reasons for suspecting us, but I'm having a hard time figuring them out. OK, so SiestaGuru and I make very forced posts in defending our votes on Day 1. Apparently, he knows our meta. Meta, however, is not an accurate indicator of alignment, and his #9 in isolation indicates that he wants us wagoned to a lynch.

For obvious reasons, no one is anywhere near being policy lynched right now.

(Since you seem to love having things spelled out: how is it not obvious that he's putting pressure on the players he's calling scum?)

Mada and SiestaGuru have one post apiece so far, both of their current votes are random, and zhaorx's case on me is crap if even existent.

[StrangerCoug]

As for oEJo countering omg_im_innocent_wtf, I'm 99% sure it's now obvious that omg_im_innocent_wtf is scum, but I still want to scumhunt. I'm happy with voting OIIW if zhaorx can convince me he's not scum, but if we have a vigilante he or she needs to be the one to shoot OIIW in my opinion.

[StrangerCoug]

This is nutty. Why in the world would you assume he "knows [your] meta"?

This is our first game together. The only way I can think of where he would know what he said about how I play is for him to read my games, and what he said is accurate.

Also, wanting someone to be wagoned to a lynch, or at least acting that way, is sort of a prerequisite to getting a a useful reaction, I would think.

I've been known to take things very seriously.

Maybe you're being overly defensive as wolfia. Maybe you're just being overly defensive. I don't know yet, though I'm leaning toward the former. But you can't reasonably deny that pushing on someone -- for good reasons, bad reasons, or no reasons at all -- is a way to put people outside their comfort zone and potentially elicit useful information.

I'm going after his motives, which I'm still trying to work out here.

As for oEJo countering omg_im_innocent_wtf, I'm 99% sure it's now obvious that omg_im_innocent_wtf is scum, but I still want to scumhunt. I'm happy with voting OIIW if zhaorx can convince me he's not scum, but if we have a vigilante he or she needs to be the one to shoot OIIW in my opinion.

If this reflects your actual perceptions, you are playing a really bad game.

So not voting confirmed scum so you can question suspected buddies in case there is a vig is playing a bad game; is this what I'm getting at?

Again, I'm happy switching to OIIW, but I want zhaorx to give a decent defense to my case first.

[StrangerCoug]

Being nice and fixing your tags:

This is nutty. Why in the world would you assume he "knows [your] meta"?

This is our first game together. The only way I can think of where he would know what he said about how I play is for him to read my games, and what he said is accurate.

I don't see where he said that (not that it's not there, but I looked and don't see it).

His #1 and #2 in isolation:

hey guys,

stranger and siesta are the best wagons fir D1.

Huh? Care to elaborate please?

both make very forced posts in defending who they're voting day 1. and we know scott howard didn't peek siesta.

There you go.

As for oEJo countering omg_im_innocent_wtf, I'm 99% sure it's now obvious that omg_im_innocent_wtf is scum, but I still want to scumhunt. I'm happy with voting OIIW if zhaorx can convince me he's not scum, but if we have a vigilante he or she needs to be the one to shoot OIIW in my opinion.

If this reflects your actual perceptions, you are playing a really bad game.

So not voting confirmed scum so you can question suspected buddies in case there is a vig is playing a bad game; is this what I'm getting at?

Not at all -- that's something everyone (gawd, I hope) can understand has its advantages. What I'm getting at is that if you are "99% sure it's obvious" that omg is scum, then you are failing badly to consider all the other possibilities. Interestingly, I am getting the feeling, particularly after reading your wiki page, that it;'s just that you are a villager with striatjacketed perceptions, rather than wolfscum -- but I can go either way on that.[/i]

Faking roles is scummy. oEJo said that he is not a mason with omg_im_innocent_wtf; therefore, the latter's saying otherwise is scummy. I don't know how OIIW could possibly be town, but perhaps I'm not taking something into account that I should be.

[StrangerCoug]

Faking roles is scummy

. oEJo said that he is not a mason with omg_im_innocent_wtf; therefore, the latter's saying otherwise is scummy. I don't know how OIIW could possibly be town, but perhaps I'm not taking something into account that I should be.

Re the highlighted part: open your mind just a bit. I'm sure you can come up with four different reasons for making that claim, three of which would make it a false claim and only one of which would be scummy.

1. Scum might be hoping that there's no mason group.
   
2. oEJo and omg_im_innocent_wtf might be trying to bus each other.
   
3. omg_im_innocent_wtf might have misread his role PM, but I don't see who he could be confusing with his mason partner.
   
4. omg_im_innocent_wtf might be trying to buddy up to oEJo.

Do I get a cookie?

[StrangerCoug]

Have I wandered in to a newbie game by accident?

Why is Matrix not dead yet? Are people just trying to get him to spew his partners?

Honestly I dont mean to stir things up again but anyone that does anything other than lynch Matrix today is completely retarded/scum

Nice

ad hominem

. The game does not end when Matrix dies as there is way more than one scum, so why are you saying that those of us that disagree with you are stupid to do so?

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP:

Have I wandered in to a newbie game by accident?

Why is Matrix not dead yet? Are people just trying to get him to spew his partners?

Honestly I dont mean to stir things up again but anyone that does anything other than lynch Matrix today is completely retarded/scum

Can you explain your mason claim?

Can you?

You're the one that claimed it, so only you can answer. Nice try at question dodging.

Unvote: zhaorx
Vote: omg_im_innocent_wtf

[StrangerCoug]

Oh does the game not end when Matrix dies as there is way more than one scum?

Sorry I did not realise that. I will make sure to take this down in my "Serious notes about mafiascum folder".

Damn it omg_im_innocent_wtf, you've been here almost 1½ years longer than I have, and you act like you just joined today. I expected you to have known that already, and I also expected you to act more pro-town than this.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh does the game not end when Matrix dies as there is way more than one scum?

Sorry I did not realise that. I will make sure to take this down in my "Serious notes about mafiascum folder".

Damn it omg_im_innocent_wtf, you've been here almost 1½ years longer than I have, and you act like you just joined today. I expected you to have known that already, and I also expected you to act more pro-town than this.

You can keep a closed mind and remain a newbie.

Or you can open your mind up and learn from me.

The choice is yours.

Also please check this out - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

Who's the close-minded one, you or me?

And to hell with the Wikipedia article.

You are going to look

outstandingly

wrong for this comment when my vanilla role is revealed, I shall take some small crumb of solace for being mislynched d1 *again* when that happens

May I ask why you claimed vanilla at this stage of the game?

I dont mind sitting around and talking, I mean its basically outed Sun Tzu.

How is Sun Tzu outed, and if I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly, why does it matter that Matrix die first?

Well it means we get a and provide less information for scum to use. I think thats generally a good thing.

Hypothesise with me for just a moment will you.

Lets say that I am vanilla innocent - and I get mislynched today in double quick time. In this case what does the Town gain.

The only thing I know in this game is my own role. Given that I know you'd be turboing an innocent I find it hard to see how we gain from that.

Exactly

why

do you state I am "guaranteed scum"??

I really would like to know.

You arent anything but scum ever so there is a zero chance of a mislynch. Fact.

It is not fact; you're setting him up to fall because you are arbitrarily saying anything even remotely against a matrix lynch is void, which is not. matrix mathematically has the same odds of being scum as everybody else, and you are using a holier than thou attitude to set matrix up to fall.

You know what, I'm tired of your crap. End of discussion.

Confirm vote: omg_im_innocent_wtf

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[StrangerCoug]

let's play a game. try to guess who OMG is. i will answer with a N or Y.

As if I care otherwise anymore, but I have him pinged as scum.

[StrangerCoug]

May I ask why you claimed vanilla at this stage of the game?

Claiming vanilla makes sense regardless of my role (if any) within the Town.

Should I escape being lynched it doesn't narrow the field for the Mafia as it doesn't really offer them further info, I am not about to claim a power role d1 and give the scum an easy NK decision even if I were such a role.

I beg to differ. If you really are vanilla, then yes it does narrow the field for the Mafia as there's one less person that has a potential power role.

Unless you're either scum or trying Kokusho's gambit, you should claim truthfully.

[StrangerCoug]

can we get a lynch organised then? or shall I come back on Monday?

Let's organize a lynch on omg_im_innocent_wtf. He's completely anti-town, nothing he posts makes any sense...

[StrangerCoug]

From what I can find on Google, "retarted" is an alternate spelling of "retarded", so they're one and the same insult.

does google note that i invented the word "retarted" a long time ago?

No.

[StrangerCoug]

anyway, there's a scum among siesta, mada, cougar. bank on it.

Why? You give no reasoning whatsoever why you think we're scum.

people who have to come up with some "purpose" for putting a vote on someone on Day 1 is a solid scum tell.

OK, this can go either way. Some of us do what are called "pressure votes", and those aren't scummy. Voting someone to get that person policy lynched is usually scummy, though. Could you clarify what you're trying to tell us?

this post struck me as odd. mainly because i thought zhaorx did give reasoning for siesta and mada. if my recolection is correct, then cougar is essentially asking "why are you suspicious of me" but is including others as well for some reason.
and then he asks which type of voting z was doing, when given cougars 2 types, its fairly obvious how they should be categorized.

Actually, not all votes are policy lynch votes or pressure votes—those were just the two examples, one scummy and one not, that came off the top of my head. For example, I distinguish between the latter and a "real" vote—a vote made because someone was legitimately scummy that says "if I had a daykill ability, I would use it on this person right now". Pressure votes are simply that and are solely intended to elicit a response. I didn't include all the possible interpretations of that post because I didn't see it necessary.

But again, I was trying to work out what exactly zhaorx's motive was here. Scummier posts have come up since, so I haven't pursued him lately and I don't see a good reason to.

[StrangerCoug]

I'll chip in some more once I'm back in the loop, but I still think omg_im_innocent_wtf needs to die.

[StrangerCoug]

so, fonz, who do you want to kill?

What leads you to believe that The Fonz has a killing role?

FoS: Hitch

[StrangerCoug]

fonz,

teach me how to win friends and influence ppl k?

One, he doesn't have to. Two, nobody likes fluff posts.

[StrangerCoug]

yeah replace me out or lynch me, im done wasting my time with these retards.

unvote: vote omg_im_innocent_wtf

Everything in this post is completely uncalled for. Way to quit on us.

[StrangerCoug]

Where I started Mafia, the meta is pretty much run through other people's profiles and follow the cop. Seriously. I had a culture shock when I came here too, even if just mentally, but I've been able to adapt, and I find it more fun here (although I have the worse record here xD).

all, playing shorthanded while we wait for subs is uber retarted
for all we know, the people needing subs could all be wolves (unlikely they are ALL wolves, but you get the idea) and we are stroking each each other off
i need a sub
have fun

I see no reason to halt the game while we wait for replacements. They might take awhile, and we can still squeeze out a lot of good info while we wait. I don't think you're scummy because of this post, just paranoid.

[StrangerCoug]

I'd be perfectly happy to say mafia, but I find the devolvement to "scum" awkward and not particularly aesthetic, but so it does.

Scum is the catch-all term for any anti-town faction, be that Mafia, werewolves, whatever (whether the serial killer counts or not varies, though).

[StrangerCoug]

I won't be attempting to read atakdog this game. I'll probably just kill him at night.

Congratulations, you just soft-claimed a killing role.

FoS: well-named

[StrangerCoug]

We actually use logic on Day 1, ScottHoward.

[StrangerCoug]

We actually use logic on Day 1, ScottHoward.

Explain the logic behind your FOS of well named.

The only way for him to be town being truthful is for him to be a vigilante. Other than the obvious Mafia, we know an SK exists, but not a vig at this point.

[StrangerCoug]

Specifically, Strangercoug, tell me what you think well-named's soft claim does to his chances of being:

a townie

Lower.

mafia

Higher.

the serial killer

Higher.

a vigilante

Roughly the same odds since we don't know if a vig exists.

Again, I've been known to take a lot of things seriously. Each of us (defined as the MS regulars and the twoplustwo players) seem to think the other like to joke around a bit, though, so I may be in the wrong place to take every single post by the letter...

[StrangerCoug]

The game pace has no bearing on how serious I think everyone and everything in the game is, ScottHoward.

[StrangerCoug]

Your entire method of scumhunting seems to consist of waiting for people to admit to being scum. Gotta tell ya: this doesn't work so well with competent players.

Actually, my confirm vote on omg_im_innocent_wtf is largely based on his holier than thou attitude and not explaining squat why he did what he did, which in combination is what I believe to be legitimately scummy.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP (missed the post):

so, you think the people who post once a week are taking the game seriously?

No, but that's not what you asked originally. Wven though games on here may be slower than you're used to, people do not post here once every single week. I may get worrisome, but you asked how I can tolerate the game pace given I take everything seriously, not if I can tolerate other people not doing so because of how long we take between post. The general rule is that you're prodded (reminded that you're playing) after 72 or 96 hours and replaced 48 hours or so afterward if you fail to respond.

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug, what was your role in that game we played before?

I was the vigilante.

[StrangerCoug]

Why do I feel like everybody here is on caffeine?

[StrangerCoug]

how can you find player's post counts?

Click their profile button.

[StrangerCoug]

Okay, just to re-iterate, I think it's a bad idea to lynch OMG because I don't get the vibe that he's scum.

He's lying. About his role.

Does it makes sense as scum? No. Oh I guess we shouldn't lynch him then, since clearly he's NOT scum.

WAIT A MINUTE!

If we're NOT lynching him, and we have him "cleared" as town suddenly it... DOES make sense as scum?
Oh crap.

Vote:omg_im_innocent_wtf

Srsly. LAL. Just do it.

QFT. Let's see some more votes on omg_im_innocent_wtf. Screw waiting for his replacement if any.

[StrangerCoug]

I think omg_im_innocent_wtf is pretty close to getting lynched.

[StrangerCoug]

Scott, it makes no sense to vote me for forcing this site's logic on other players when you're trying to force your site's logic on us. First off, omg_im_innocent_wtf has probably heard of "lynch all liars". oEJo countered OIIW's mason claim by stating he isn't a mason and involing LAL on him. I have my own reasons for voting OIIW, but I thought oEJo made a decent case against him.

Forcing us to adopt 2p2's meta (and you to adopt MS's meta) is just about as effective as forcing every single immigrant to the United States to learn English. Good idea on the surface, but in practice it simply won't work. This is Mafia, not a politics debate, but that's still a good example.

[StrangerCoug]

That's the point of the second paragraph.

[StrangerCoug]

you're all scums

xD

[StrangerCoug]

For everybody who's voting OMG...why? Why, I don't understand it.

Fakeclaiming, his holier than thou attitude, his being completely uncooperative, etc.

And I agree, I am getting a little tired of being on D1 for three or four days.

Day 1 can last up to a month here xD

[StrangerCoug]

Our personal motto: Longer days help the town.

[StrangerCoug]

you call this game serious? i just checked out another ww site. they play days that are 1 year long. nights are 1 month. they say anything less than 10 month days is hurting the village.

*faints*

[StrangerCoug]

Someone go prod the mod. I'd like to know where we're at.

[StrangerCoug]

Wake me up when there's a decent case on somebody.

[StrangerCoug]

If you want a reason here you go, my vote is currently on you because I'm tired of certainly people talking around with a superiority complex in this game. To me, that's scummy as hell, and as I find you the most arrogant, I find you the most anti-town.

Also, my vote was on matrix but I wasn't quite satisfied with laying my vote there because I don't think he's scummy anymore.

What happened to omg_im_innocent_wtf's superiority complex?

Vote: Wall-E

You see this? Hewitt has voted and failed to state a reason. Don't do this around me or I start sniffing at your doorstep.

maybe it was a joke vote. seems theyre quite popular around here.
why does it bother you so much? (rest assured though, im a huge fan of players giving reasoning)

A joke vote on page 30? Yeah, right.

i'm waiting for the joke post stage to end before i post any content.

It's

BEEN

over. Wake the hell up and use the common sense you claim to have.

[StrangerCoug]

How about everyone post a list of 'acceptable' lynches, so we can maybe consolodate wagons?

omg_im_innocent_wtf. Enough said. I see the case on Wall-E, though.

[StrangerCoug]

why is walle not lynched already?
wtf are we waiting for?

omg_im_innocent_wtf to convince me to unvote him, which he sure as hell never did.

[StrangerCoug]

As I remember saying, I see the case on him, and I'm not going to cry over spilled milk if he gets lynched instead. I'm just much more certain about OIIW.

[StrangerCoug]

SC: I remember you saying that too. Can you clarify? What case do you see?

It's mostly the question-dodging that I think is hurting you the most.

[StrangerCoug]

I was saying in general and was looking at #815 when I wrote that.

[StrangerCoug]

SC: I remember you saying that too. Can you clarify? What case do you see?

It's mostly the question-dodging that I think is hurting you the most.

]

I don't see what he's dodged.

Again, I was looking at another post when I read that. Ask ScottHoward.

And let me clarify what I mean by "seeing the case on" somebody: When I say that, I mean that I understand why some people think someone's actions are scummy, regardless of whether I think so myself. I would rather lynch omg_im_innocent_wtf over Wall-E. I'm increasingly losing support for the lynch, however.

[StrangerCoug]

if i wasnt drunk posting from my phone right now, i would have a bunch of things to say in response to fonz, but as it stands, i will just say he plays mafia like an idiot

Perhaps when you sober up you'll realize how good he is (I think, anyway).

[StrangerCoug]

Well, my vote on omg_im_innocent_wtf is now void. I see some cases developing, but

mod: Can we have a vote count?

[StrangerCoug]

What a shocker, OMG was vanilla townie. I'm just oh so surprised. Anyways, scotthoward made a couple of really good points. And I also still have no idea who's a 2p2 player and who's a ms player...except scotthoward...that one's pretty obvious.

So why were we targeting OMG in the first place again? Besides the whole fake claim thing because a couple of people did that and it's more consistent with his gamestyle anyways so that's a crap reason.

His refusal to explain squat and his damn holier-than-thou attitude.

[StrangerCoug]

I like mafiascum because I couldn't handle the fast pace of chess by mail.

xD

[StrangerCoug]

[as an aside I do find it amusing that OMG got modkilled for using a certain word, when various other players in this game have used other profanities without recourse, it's odd how some words these days have become accepted, yet others have not, when not all that long ago any such expletives were all equally prohibited]

In my day you weren't modkilled for directing profanities at other players. You were warned or ejected and replaced.

AFAIK well named is still in this game and has posted next to nothing. I believe this to be a tell on him that he is trying the old UTR Mafia trick as is a very good reason to vote him.

What is the UTR Mafia trick?

[StrangerCoug]

I've heard of the phrase "under the radar" before; I just haven't seen it as an acronym. Thanks.

[StrangerCoug]

So,
Fonz claims that there is no information to gain from looking at the omg voters, as it was a pure policy lynch.
Scrutinizer feels looking at the voters is a good idea.
Surely everybody sees the conflict there. How can two msers familiar with standard msers procedure, have opposite views on this matter? Some will argue, as fonz has eluded to in his tirade (no offense fonz), that two logically thinking players can view an event and come to different logical conclusions and both still be town. I don’t believe that’s true at all. Ive shown that more often than not, at least one of the players was/is being deceptive.
Somebody is lying.
It is also odd that these two are not suspicious of each other based on the above. If I know im town, and another player has an opposite reaction than mine to a unique event, I would increase suspicion on that person, not dismiss it, and not ignore it.
Down the road, if we learn there were no scum voting for omg, there is a much better chance that fonz is town and scrutinizer is scum. Likewise, if there turns up one or more scum of those voters, then the reverse is true, scrutinizer is more likely town and fonz more likely scum. (if I need to explain why, let me know)
This is not guaranteed (that at least one is scum) of course, but its definitely something to keep in mind for use later, and its definitely much better than rand.

Interesting thing to think about, even with the disclaimer.

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote Wall-E

Vote The Central Scrutinizer

I really like the sci-fi nerd post too much. Probably a leak

Why The Central Scrutinizer?

[StrangerCoug]

WELL NOW THAT MY WAGON IS DYING I GUESS I CAN LURK FOR 29 MORE PAGES RIGHT?!?!!!11oneone

Yeah, right.

Vote: Wall-E

[StrangerCoug]

SC, your sarcasm meter is broken.

It never worked well in the first place.

[StrangerCoug]

I honestly believe The Fonz to be winning his argument with hewitt, and my gut has a slight scum read on the latter. Need to probe this, though.

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: Vote: The Fonz

is putting on quite a show.

What the hell kind of vote is that?

[StrangerCoug]

Do #1012–#1014 make an ounce of sense to anybody? They look a lot like fluff posts to me.

[StrangerCoug]

FoS: Everybody lurking right now

[StrangerCoug]

I'd answer all of matrix's questions instead of picking and choosing, The Central Scrutinizer.

[StrangerCoug]

Well yes.. I do hop off the wagon.. I thought that was fairly obvious

Or is hop-off some ms term im unfamiliar with?

From what I can tell, you're using the term correctly.

Unvote: TCS

Vote: Wall-E

sci-fi nerd grace period expired imo. and d2! d2!

Something doesn't seem right with this post, but I don't know what it is.

[StrangerCoug]

So we don't have a vig if we don't have a doctor. OK. What sucks, though, is that I'm 0 for 2 here, and I don't have any good reads. Damn scumdar.

[StrangerCoug]

Also if a player awaiting replacement is a power role and does not use their available night action, is that action rand()ed by the mod - or just wasted?

It's generally wasted unless the player is forced to use the action (in which case it is rand()ed, to use your words) or the power is a limited shot ability (in which case a shot isn't spent).

[StrangerCoug]

Why do poggers kill atak there over other poggers? I mean Scott's here.

Why does this give me the impression that POGgers are xenophobic?

[StrangerCoug]

Damn you Hitch and your 13 consecutive posts.

Why do poggers kill atak there over other poggers? I mean Scott's here.

Why does this give me the impression that POGgers are xenophobic?

This should really have been adressed to matrix not me.

It was an open question not directed to anybody in particular.

I can't multi quote so I have to bring the rellevant posts here 1 at a time.

You could also learn how to copy and paste what you see when you click the quote button...

btw,
im teh cop
mada is town
just kidding, im not teh cop

Should I trust claims by POGgers anymore?

[StrangerCoug]

Well, my scumdar is still shot. The POGgers make me paranoid, but they can't all be Mafia.

[StrangerCoug]

Now I actually have to read at 7:30 in the morning. Thanks a lot.

[StrangerCoug]

My brain shut off partway through, so I have only The Central Scrutinizer, hewitt, and part of Hitch done. I'm still waiting on replacements for Stef and Mada.

Before we start:

Mod: Please prod gusmahler, M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE, Morphing addict, norseman1066, oEJo, SiestaGuru, Sun Tzu, well-named, and zhaorx

. Looks like the mod needs to wake up too—I count nine people in need of a prod.

The Central Scrutinizer:

It's funny that he complains about the fluff early on and only about half his posts pre-OIIW modkill actually have content.

He claims vig in #1009. Who, if anybody, did you kill Night 1 and why?

Something's up with his posts after his claim, though. #1093 and #1094 are particularly odd.

hewitt:

I don't like #283 and #285. There are some circumstances where it's OK to vote as you go V/LA, but #283 is not one of them. Your unvote at #285 sounds like you don't want to get in trouble with it.

He has made attempts to stall the omg_im_innocent_wtf lynch, but I'll attribute that to either being unaware of the lynch-all-liars meta on here or not believing in lynch-all-liars.

Re: #739, always give a reason for your vote. You waited until #745 to give it (which I'm not a fan of since omg_im_innocent_wtf also had a superiority complex, which in my opinion was worse), and I hate your reactions to being questioned about your vote in #743. #834 is a contradiction of #745 as having a superiority complex is being arrogant.

#857: If you were voicing your disapproval of the omg_im_innocent_wtf wagon, then why are you surprised about him being vanilla? If it's because you thought he was a mason, why haven't you gone after oEJo?

The sarcasm in #957 comes off to me as WIFOM.

Hitch:

Part of #153 is wrong. If someone has been counterclaimed, the counterclaimee being "bad" and the counterclaimant being "good" is indeed a possible combination.

Why are you withholding information from the town in #170?

Hell-bent on a matrix lynch starting with #199. Just an observation, though.

The rest when I'm fully awake.

[StrangerCoug]

If I were town-aligned, then I might have been engaging in a stupid game to try to get the scum NOT to shoot The Fonz. Or I was just being an asshole. You choose.

Your wording here suggests that you are

NOT

town-aligned. Congratulations on your slip.

Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

From now on I think we need to start a new policy... after this point, people who softclaim, or claim without being serious, get lynched. I think this is reasonable and should be the first precondition for scumhunting.

Good plan. I approve of this just so I can get something solid.

[StrangerCoug]

If you are evil, what possible motivation do you have to claim masons with a player whom you do not know the role of?

Think beyond Level 1 here. Think deeply about it, because the only outcome I can see is that it increases the chance you are lynched a ton.

The only thing that comes immediately to mind given this info is being crazy. I'm not denying that scum are gamblers, because I've gambled as scum myself, and on a role (or, strictly speaking, a role's sanity) to boot.

<snip>

Why are you withholding information from the town in #170?

<snip>

Because the information I was withholding was that the only reasonable play that made sense to me was that OMG was maybe a cop, who had investigated EJ as another cop. And being a fan of Fancy Play, had decided there was a good chance he could get his peek out there for free (assuming the other cop figured out what was going on) and get both village's cops 'clear' and not in danger of being NK'd.

Or that he had peeked EJ evil, and figured that he would go along with it, or some other variation.

I don't claim to understand how OMG's brain works, just that there was a far higher chance he was the cop than scum.

This is obviously not what happened, but you can see why putting that thought out there could have been harmfull to the village?

Cops are rarely given information other than innocent or guilty about someone's role. (They exist on MS, though, if more frequently on the Mafia side—they're given the more specific name "role cop".) Other than that, this makes sense to me.

[StrangerCoug]

*goes to sleep*

[StrangerCoug]

If I were town-aligned, then I might have been engaging in a stupid game to try to get the scum NOT to shoot The Fonz. Or I was just being an asshole. You choose.

Your wording here suggests that you are

NOT

town-aligned. Congratulations on your slip.

Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

vote: StrangerCoug

I've been using that syntactical structure (if I were X, I would do/have done/might do X) for 90% of my posts this game.

You claimed that you read my posts and even pretended to do a little pretty analysis thing. That you would treat something I have done all game as a slip-up indicates that this is clearly a lie on your part. That you chose me to cast suspicion on, when you

clearly haven't read a word I've posted

up to this point is an iron-clad scum tell.

Welcome to OMGUS land. I was not concerned about that structure because you said nothing to imply you weren't town when I made the analysis—in fact, I did a Ctrl+F on your posts to make sure. Now you have. It is your job to convince us that you are town.

NOT

to hint at otherwise. I have no problems with you saying "if I were a cop", "if I were a doc", "if I were a mason", or "if I were the vig", though I'll read it as you not being the roles in question. "If I were scum" is risking WIFOM and would probably be something I'd call you out for. "If I were town" implies that you are scum.

It's called the subjunctive mood, The Central Scrutinizer. Now, if you said "If I

AM

cop/doc/mason/vig", then it'd be a whole different story as they are not subjunctive and you therefore imply that those are valid possibilities. The same goes for "if I am town/scum", but you shouldn't need the former and should only be using the latter with a good reason to do so.

Do you understand why I'm jumping on you?

I also find it kind of amusing that The Central Scrutinizer is the one who claimed vigilante a while back and is now proposing that we lynch those who claim.

This is noted.

[StrangerCoug]

lol @ strangercoug saying there is a meaningful difference between subjunctive and conditional

What is the point of making a statement and implying it's not a valid possibility? The distinction is worthless.

Says the person who isn't picky about the English language. I see your case against Hitch, though.

[StrangerCoug]

No. I'm sorry that your tell-concept failed though. Maybe next game?

*facepalm* I hope you don't play like this in a game with Kairyuu in it. That's all I'm going to say anymore.

I also find it kind of amusing that The Central Scrutinizer is the one who claimed vigilante a while back and is now proposing that we lynch those who claim.

This is noted.

...

None of you read, huh? Ever?

Apparently, neither do you. You claimed vig on Day 1; I asked who you killed and why. I don't remember getting an answer. In addition, not only did you dismiss your own claim as you screwing around, but you said that anyone who claims, softclaims, etc. without being serious should be lynched from now on. Therefore, according to yourself, you should be lynched.

[StrangerCoug]

what is OMGUS?

It stands for "

O

h

m

y

G

od, yo

u

s

uck!" and in its most basic form is voting someone solely for voting you.

[StrangerCoug]

Also, are you forgetting that a confirmed cop defended me very forcefully when he didn't have to?

Part of it reads more like meta-defending you than having an innocent on you, but I see evidence suggesting the latter.

I'll

unvote

for the moment, but I'm closely watching you to make sure you keep to your word about claiming.

[StrangerCoug]

I hope there's another doctor. Enough said.

[StrangerCoug]

This isn't as interesting of a game as I had hoped for, and I have someplace to go in an hour and a half, so I'm essentially fried.

[StrangerCoug]

Don't ask me why I'm still here when I've lost interest in this game a long time ago.

Mod: I hereby request replacement.