Is rolefishing inherently scummy?

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Is rolefishing inherently scummy?

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:45 am

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I've several times on this site seen players scumread other players for rolefishing. While I understand the rationale behind this, I think rolefishing is not inherently scummy and I would like to discuss the idea of "cooperative rolefishing".

Cooperative Rolefishing
is what I call a situation when a vanilla member of town correctly guesses the identity of a PR (or sometimes doesn't but just picks a target at random), and coaxes the person into a softclaim of PR. Once this is done, the vanilla can claim PR to protect the real PR, or heavily push guilty results in place of the PR.
A prime example of this is Avalon, where the best breaking strategy is for a vanilla townie to find Merlin, and then pretend to be Merlin to divert the Assassin.

But I've also done similar things in off-site mafia games: I asked a player "if you were a cop, who would be the two players you investigated as guilty?" (having already soft claiming cop myself). The player, who was a watcher who got 2 guilties, gave me the names and I led 2 successful eliminations.

So, what do you think of this strategy? Discuss.
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Post Post #3 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:46 pm

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In post 1, JasonWazza wrote: Letting that information deliberately out in a way everyone can see it, is inherently scum motivated, because scum benefit most from this information (and can benefit from having the information public, so the kill is obvious to everyone, and not just someone who is likely to have spotted it)
That's a good point I haven't thought of, very enlightening.

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