[SETUP] Extra Flip Nightless

[camelCasedSnivy]

i realized the open setup review threads were for if you actually wanted to run the setup so i was right to make a topic for the setup

anyway here's another idea which might be too swingy

Extra Flip Nightless

5x

Vanilla Townies

2x

Mafia Goon

The

Mafia

do not have a nightkill.

Upon the elimination of a

Mafia Goon

, they must confirm the alignment of another player publicly.

Spoiler: VT PM

VT PM

Hello camelCasedSnivy!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

You win when

both Mafia Goons are dead.

Spoiler: Goon PM

Goon PM

Hello camelCasedSnivy!

You are a

Mafia Goon

!

You share a PT with your partner, camelCasedServine, here.

Upon being eliminated, you must confirm another player's alignment publicly.

You win when

you and your partner control 50% of the votes.

[camelCasedSnivy]

yeah its supposed to be like white flag

originally i was thinking of 6v3 but then scum being killed day 1 would be a bit too hard for scum imho

i think i can calculate the EV of this?

[camelCasedSnivy]

ive never modded a game before in my life and im not sure i want to

anyway I made a whole csv file of EVs for this and...

5x

Vanilla Townies

and 3x

Mafia Goons

gives me a 48.75% town EV, however

6x

Vanilla Townies

and 3x

Mafia Goons

gives me a 61.07% town EV

[camelCasedSnivy]

im not sure if EVs matter too much at this scale but either seem fine to me

[camelCasedSnivy]

i wonder what happens if I give a townie in the 4v3 spot a vengekill (where the IC doesnt trigger)

[camelCasedSnivy]

The setup's really swingy and pretty much forces scum to powerwolf for the d2 win, might be more interesting to have the IC be granted if town gets limmed on d1 only to let scum bus as well as give town a chance for a comeback

yeah that might work out

i was also thinking if i could add an extra townie but get rid of white flag (originally this setup was that every mafia had to reveal an IC but 2 ICs with 1 goon is auto for town)

[camelCasedSnivy]

I don't want to make it

too

complicated though, I feel like then the setup just becomes a bit confusing

hmm

[camelCasedSnivy]

Option 1

6x

Vanilla Townies

3x

Mafia Goons

The

Mafia

do not have a nightkill.

Upon the elimination of the first

Mafia Goon

, they must choose one player to turn into an

Innocent Child

, confirming their alignment publically.

Option 2

5x

Vanilla Townies

3x

Mafia Goons

The

Mafia

do not have a nightkill.

Upon the elimination of a

Mafia Goon

after Day 1, they must choose one player to turn into an

Innocent Child

, confirming their alignment publically. If a

Mafia Goon

is eliminated with an

Innocent Child

already alive, the

Town

win the game.

[camelCasedSnivy]

I didn't calculate Opt 2 EV because I gotta implement cycles and 20 minutes of extra work is too much for me

Opt 1 EV is about 46.15079% for Town

[camelCasedSnivy]

Originally for Opt 1 I was gonna do 5v3 but then the EV for Town drops to 35.8928% and that's low enough to cause a tremendous different despite it being a social game

[camelCasedSnivy]

hmm ill try it

[camelCasedSnivy]

oh i always thought that being scumsided was slightly better than being townsided

if we wanted 50-55% we could just do 5:2 with one IC which lands at 53.4127% town EV

[camelCasedSnivy]

well yeah but if i were to mod this i wouldnt do it as closed

[camelCasedSnivy]

Spoiler: Childmakers

Childmakers

5x

Vanilla Townies

2x

Mafia Goon

The

Mafia

do not have a nightkill.

Upon the elimination of a

Mafia Goon

, they must convert a player to an

Innocent Child

, confirming their alignment publically.

Spoiler: VT PM

VT PM

Hello camelCasedSnivy!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

You win when

both Mafia Goons are dead.

Spoiler: Goon PM

Goon PM

Hello camelCasedSnivy!

You are a

Mafia Goon

!

You share a PT with your partner, camelCasedServine, here.

Upon being eliminated, you must convert a player to an

Innocent Child

, confirming their alignment publically.

You win when

you and your partner control 50% of the votes.

[camelCasedSnivy]

anyway I made a whole csv file of EVs for this and...

How do you actually do that btw? I've always been trying to calculate it in my head and gave myself a headache

thats the thing, i made a program to do it for me

[camelCasedSnivy]

i realized it did sound a bit weird a while ago but it was funny so i kept it

[camelCasedSnivy]

hmmm

ill try to come up with something

[camelCasedSnivy]

Spoiler: Childmakers

Childmakers

5x

Vanilla Townies

2x

Mafia Goon

The

Mafia

do not have a nightkill.

Upon the elimination of a

Mafia Goon

, they must convert a player to an

Innocent Child

, confirming their alignment publically.

Spoiler: VT PM

VT PM

Hello camelCasedSnivy!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

You win when

both Mafia Goons are dead.

Spoiler: Goon PM

Goon PM

Hello camelCasedSnivy!

You are a

Mafia Goon

!

You share a PT with your partner, camelCasedServine, here.

Upon being eliminated, you must convert a player to an

Innocent Child

, confirming their alignment publically.

You win when

you and your partner control 50% of the votes.

oh i modified it

i should update the op

[camelCasedSnivy]

i could call it extra flip nightless ig

[camelCasedSnivy]

wanted to see what the bump thing did

also i changed it