Datisi's University [game over!]

[GuiltyLion]

@Wheme

-initially townread 1 of jjh’s posts but don’t really like their pressuring on ari

which jjh post?

-I thought osukas catchup was rly towny idk how ppl are scumreading it

I think Dann explained his feelings in detail, do you have any particular thoughts on those? like having skimmed through the thread I think it's weird you post this and then don't comment on 586 at all.

Ranger why do we always have opposite reads

Can you be more specific about the opposite reads here? Do you SR any of Ranger's townreads?

[Dannflor]

I don’t know why but this game feels so sluggish in terms of wagons building

[GuiltyLion]

it feels like the illusion of content to me because none of the takes actually have any stake in what is going on in the game right now

I think this (and the rest of your post & reasoning) is fair, I agree with you that it's an "illusion" of content, I think the difference in my feelings about it is my assumption is that scum!osuka would do more to put forth 'actual' content. but that assumption isn't always a good one and I see where you're coming from

[Dannflor]

but this is to say I’d probably join a whemestar wagon too

[Dannflor]

What are your current thoughts on Drew, GL?

[GuiltyLion]

idk maybe it's boredom but I am increasingly not feeling the drew wagon

yeh I feel the wagon has stopped generating useful information for me and I'll probably join a different one at this point

Drew's posting as of late has felt fairly agendaless and pure as well but until he actually sinks his teeth into a scumread or putting pressure somewhere I don't think I'll be able to feel comfortable seeing him as town. I didn't like that he volunteered himself as a sheep and yet still has made no real effort to help build a wagon. but on the other hand I have been thinking that he's been signaling suspicion of jjh which is a weird thing to do as mafia if town!jjh has been one of the main people trying to steer attention towards somebody else

[GuiltyLion]

I am worried that I do not understand his quest between Aristeia and jjh though!
He does not seem to think jjh is a monster?!?! Do you GuiltyLion?
He does not seem sure Aristeia is pure!
What if GuiltyLion is a child of the Professor who saw two good students feuding and only wants to show he is studying with us?!

I think this is fair and makes me feel pretty good about Dusa

of the Ari/jjh fight I think jjh comes across scummier than Ari but I don't feel confident in it. I think Ari got it right when she said she can imagine him thinking he's the hero of his own detective story. When I look at what jjh is saying about Ari's posts or play I don't think he's

wrong

about facts or twisting any specific things that happened in service to a narrative. My issue is more that he's myopically focused on a scum!explanation for Ari's play and doesn't seem to consider a town!explanation. That might come from a stubborn townie who thinks they're onto something which is why I'm wishy washy, but if I absolutely had to yeet one of them right now it'd be jjh.

another issue is that I'm ?? on Ranger's alignment but if she's town I'd put stock in her townread on jjh

I think what would help me the most would be to see where jjh sees scum

outside

of Aristeia to see if we have any common ground there

[GuiltyLion]

ehhh I'm left wanting to move my vote but feeling like there's not an immediately compelling option

osuka wagon probably would have the most momentum of slots I'm considering but my heart's not fully in it

whemestar would be a vanity vote but I haven't liked any of his posts and he's the best profile of 'lurky disengaged scum' that I tend to look for on D1

jjh vote is somewhat appealing idea but I feel like it would be the most damaging to town if we were to miselim there and there's some weirdness on the periphery in both Wheme/RCEnigma (and even Ranger, as if she's scum I'm skeptical that she's scum with jjh) that it makes me less inclined to want to push it at the moment

VOTE: Whemestar
would like to see how much interest there is in joining here but I am also still flexible to join another wagon if it'll better serve the gamestate

[NorwegianboyEE]

whemestar would be a vanity vote but I haven't liked any of his posts and he's the best profile of 'lurky disengaged scum' that I tend to look for on D1

Why did you not like Wheme's posts?

[Dusa]

WhemeStar spoke only of recent things, more like someone who is going to be graded than someone independently studying with a curious heart! I fear punishment too..

I think they picked unimportant stories too!

I don't want to join GuiltyLion though.. I don't trust him right now.. join bad company and you end up with a broken vase on the ground and sharing the blame!

[GuiltyLion]

whemestar would be a vanity vote but I haven't liked any of his posts and he's the best profile of 'lurky disengaged scum' that I tend to look for on D1

Why did you not like Wheme's posts?

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- Whemestar's appearance in the thread was extremely underwhelming and I'd support a wagon there if there's interest

@Wheme

-initially townread 1 of jjh’s posts but don’t really like their pressuring on ari

which jjh post?

-I thought osukas catchup was rly towny idk how ppl are scumreading it

I think Dann explained his feelings in detail, do you have any particular thoughts on those? like having skimmed through the thread I think it's weird you post this and then don't comment on 586 at all.

Ranger why do we always have opposite reads

Can you be more specific about the opposite reads here? Do you SR any of Ranger's townreads?

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both times he's shown up to catch up in the thread it's felt like non-game advancing fluff designed to look busy rather than help solve alignments or pressure people. At the time that he voted jjh, jjh was a complete non-presence, making it an empty vote. I have no idea who else he scumreads or why. and the Dann townread feels like a read for the sake of a read, given that he also claims to TR osuka but didn't engage with Dann's osuka SR at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

yah there's some fluff. But i think that at the crucial moments they have shown to have some real substance too their thoughts.
This post shows an conclusion about a lot of different circumstances that all required real thinking.

Ok I’m caught up

Thoughts thoughts thoughts

-surprised I’m not on bottom of rangers readslists what’s going on Ranger
-initially townread 1 of jjh’s posts but don’t really like their pressuring on ari
-I thought osukas catchup was rly towny idk how ppl are scumreading it
-dusas ari/ranger vote was weird and I’m still thinking to myself if scum places those votes like that cause it seems like such an obvious ping

I wouldn't call it strong evidence but it did make me raise an eyebrow at how you were claiming that they "have no substance behind their posts".

[GuiltyLion]

... are you joking?

what substance is in that post? vague shade at Ranger for TRing him? he's not specific at all as he talks about jjh and "not liking his pressure" has already been discussed in specifics that he didn't speak to at all, nor share how it affected his reads on anybody else. the comment on Dusa is an empty statement, it's vaguely shady ("weird", "obvious ping") while also completely noncommittal to an actual scumread.

the osuka TR is the one worthwhile comment in that post but as I just said, it's hard to believe that it's a genuine read when he doesn't engage with his one (1) other stated townread in Dann who has posted multiple times saying he thinks osuka's catchup is scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think the lack of substance you claim is more because you’d be looking at only what they directly say and not considering the thoughts that lie behind making them and the timing of when it was made.

Which is fine, but i don’t find myself agreeing with your main point. I see the substance, and i think if they post some more if might get more obvious.

[GuiltyLion]

and like, why even is Dusa voting Ari and then Ranger an "obvious" ping? is it that voting these players is inherently scummy? is it that she switched between the two very quickly? Did Wheme disagree or dislike Dusa's thoughts on these players? We don't know, because none of that substance is in the post

I'm finding it really hard to grok that you see useful content there that helps you find Wheme townie. I'm willing to read between lines and interpret things charitably where I can but there's nothing I can even work with in what Wheme's shared so far.

[GuiltyLion]

I see the substance, and i think if they post some more if might get more obvious.

if and when this happens, I will re-evaluate. I also think a wagon on Wheme is a great way to pressure him into posting more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

WhemeStar spoke only of recent things, more like someone who is going to be graded than someone independently studying with a curious heart! I fear punishment too..

I think they picked unimportant stories too!

I don't want to join GuiltyLion though.. I don't trust him right now.. join bad company and you end up with a broken vase on the ground and sharing the blame!

I’m confused by your post here…

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok nvm. I think i get it.

[Dannflor]

Drew's posting as of late has felt fairly agendaless and pure as well but until he actually sinks his teeth into a scumread or putting pressure somewhere I don't think I'll be able to feel comfortable seeing him as town. I didn't like that he volunteered himself as a sheep and yet still has made no real effort to help build a wagon. but on the other hand I have been thinking that he's been signaling suspicion of jjh which is a weird thing to do as mafia if town!jjh has been one of the main people trying to steer attention towards somebody else

I think this is a pretty good summary of where I'm at, I don't really feel *mafia* pings anymore

I wouldn't stake my life on it but I'm comfortable kickstarting some other wagons

[Dannflor]

the Dann townread feels like a read for the sake of a read

to be honest I'm feeling that with a number of the town reads on me this game and it's making me paranoid

[Dannflor]

I thought Sail's might be scummy because he went in depth on a town read when a number of people had already expressed one on me (something something it's easier to fake analysis when you know a bunch of people already agree with you)

but like so many other slots have done a similar thing since then I'm not even sure that it's scum indicative for Sail

I give minor town points to RCE just for going against the grain a little

[Dannflor]

I really like how Dannflor tried to sort ina in 72, and then his progression to 78. 72 had an underlying thought process which I don’t think scum would bother to fake this early. In 78 I can’t think of any scum motivation for Dannflor to try and drop the conversation, other than mech of course.

like idk this read on me felt circular in a way that rubbed me the wrong way but maybe I'm just being oversensitive to the reads on me right now

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Dusa is essentially saying she feels that Wheme is scummy but they don’t trust GL enough to join the wagon and if Wheme is a mislim they don’t want to be a part of that wagon with GL?

Dusa why is it that you don’t trust GL? It seems like a pretty strong suspicion to not join a wagon with them, but then in your explanation the reasoning you have doesn’t appear to be that strong at all?

[Dannflor]

If Whemestar flips town I would lim Norwegian in a heartbeat for this TMI-feeling defense

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’d lim me for being good at the game?
Damn dannyboi