Open 880 - usesPython's Notes PT

[usesPython]

Table of Contents

1. Fakeclaims
   
2. Roles in play
   
3. Reads
   
4. Claims
   
5. Useful links
   
6. Todo

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Fakeclaims

Miller: Gets rolecopped by town since thats a confirmed green check. Likely ignored by Mafia/Werewolves?
Ascetic/Commuter: Would be great if it wasn't for the five billion Checkers that would be able to call us out

Conclusion? Just don't get checked 4head

Viable fake claims:

1. Vanilla Townie - Guiltied by Neapolitan/Cop, confirmed by Checker/Gunsmith
   
2. Activated Townie - Guiltied by Cop, confirmed by Checker/Gunsmith/Neapolitan. Hard to get into the mindset of getting the funny PM tho, maybe not viable? Need a boring Town PR
   
3. Town 1-shot Bulletproof - Fuck yeah how did we miss this, we're claiming this

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Important roles in play

1. Investigatives
   
2. Informed

1. Investigatives:
   1. Town Compulsive Checker Miller
      
   2. Town Loyal Checker
      
   3. Town Odd-Night Neapolitan
      
   4. Town Compulsive Weak Vigilante
      
   5. Town 1-shot Loyal Neighborizer
      
   6. Town Multitasking N1 Rolecop N2 Combined Complex Checker Vigilante N2 N3 Doctor
      
   7. Town Night 4 Neapolitan
      
   8. Town JOAT (Fruit Vendor, Mailman, Checker, Visitor)
      
   9. Town One-shot Loyal Fruit Vendor Night Nine Vigilante Miller
      
   10. Town Ascetic Night Four Night Five Tracker
       
   11. Town 1-shot Novice Cop
       
   12. Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield
       
   13. Town 3-shot Loyal Neighborizer
       
   14. Town Combined Security Guard Visionary
       
   15. Town Simple Combined Doctor Checker
       
   16. Town Even-Night Gunsmith
       
   17. Town JOAT (Tracker, Watcher, Role Watcher)
       
   18. Town Loyal Visionary
       
   19. Town Personal Traffic Analyst
       
   20. Town Security Guard
       
   21. Town Doctor 1-shot Combined Cop Doctor
       
   22. Town JOAT (Rolecop, Tracker, Weak Hider)
       
   23. Town Combined Detective Psychologist
       
   24. Town 1-shot Role Cop
       
   25. Town Bulletproof Multitasking Cop Rolecop Follower Loyal Mailman
       
   26. Town Macho Neapolitan
       
   27. Town Backup Cop
       
   28. Mafia Rolecop
       
   29. Mafia Combined Cop Roleblocker
       
   30. Mafia Neighbour Combined Rolecop Neighbourizer
       
   31. Mafia Night 1,2,3 JOAT (Cop, Babysitter, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Rolecop, Hider)
       
   32. Mafia Neapolitan
       
   33. Mafia Ascetic Simple Shield Complex Loyal Traffic Analyst
       
   34. Mafia Combined Checker Fruit Vendor
       
   35. Mafia 2-shot Combined Doctor Neapolitan Security Guard Visionary
       
   36. Werewolf Traitor Rolecop
       
   37. Werewolf JOAT (One-shot Finder for every role)
       
   38. Werewolf Cop
       
   39. Werewolf Night 3,4,5 Compulsive Traffic Analyst
       
   40. Werewolf Bulletproof-Enabler Novice Compulsive Checker
       
   41. Werewolf Tracker
       
   42. Werewolf Visionary
       
   43. Werewolf 1-shot Bulletproof Multitasking Alien Watcher
       
   44. Werewolf JOAT (1-shot Combined [Babysitter-Finder Jailkeeper-Finder], 1-shot Combined [Checker-Finder Fruit Vendor-Finder])
2. Informed:
   1. Town Informed (Random TP/TI or Random TPR or Random Town)
      
   2. Town Informed (Not Mafia, Not Werewolf, Not SK)
      
   3. Town Informed Mason (Who's informed or No compulsive actions)
      
   4. Town Informed (Two PR's that exist)
      
   5. Town Informed Night 5 Informed Night 3 Compulsive Combined Vigilante Bodyguard (Everyone not aligned with the town [on night 5])
      
   6. Town Day 2 Informed (Two players, at least one of which is Mafia/Werewolf. Neither is SK/Vigilante)
      
   7. Mafia Informed Roleblocker (Random VT)
      
   8. Mafia Informed Loyal Neighborizer (Random Traitor)
      
   9. Mafia Informed Cop (Non-Investigative, Non-Protective role or the absence thereof [Not Mafia]
      
   10. Mafia Informed (Random VT or no VT's exist)
       
   11. Werewolf Informed Multitasking Three-shot Alien (Random VT or No VTs in game)
       
   12. Werewolf Informed Strongman (Any Doctors)
       
   13. Werewolf Informed Vanilla Cop (Number of VTs)
       
   14. Werewolf Informed (Two non-Werewolf PR's that exist)

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Reads

TODO

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Claims

camelCasedSnivy:

• Loyal Checker (839):
  • N1: Checked UNOwen (Check failed) (831)
    
  • N2: Checked Invisibility (Check succeeded) (970)

BlueSnakelet:

• Friendly Neighbor (976, Implies Friendly Neighbor or Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor)

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Useful links

1. Normal Idea Mafia Roles
   
2. Normal Idea Mafia Discussion
   
3. Main Thread

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Todo

1. Reformat Roles in play to be sorted by factions
   - DONE
   
2. Add peoples reads to the Reads section

[usesPython]

Why the frick are there so many investigative roles

[usesPython]

Massclaim breaks the setup and bianco/snivy will probably realise that. If neither bring it up may be scum?

[usesPython]

Daily reminder: We probably aren't winning this so play to have fun

Also daily reminder: Do not post "What are your reads", that's our biggest scumtell. Actually just become a react youtuber instead of pushing stuff

[usesPython]

Actually just become a react youtuber instead of pushing stuff

10 players you wont BELIEVE are TOWN (Number 7 will shock you) (Not Clickbait)

[usesPython]

If Jason's on a scum wagon that gets hammered he's probably scum lol

[usesPython]

lol @ sky getting so many votes

[usesPython]

Gonna let the thread stew before I start posting more, already feeling the nervous energy we get when we're scum

[usesPython]

not mafia is just sheeping me, he has no original reads!

lmao

[usesPython]

VOTE: skygazer

That's... not a joke
Wow, are we really out of rvs this fast

This is bad vibes

[usesPython]

Massclaim breaks the setup and bianco/snivy will probably realise that. If neither bring it up may be scum?

Good thing all the mech players are scum or we might have been in big trouble lol

[usesPython]

Hmm just realized we're like the worst person to get SK. We need to be like middle of the road but we're only capable of being gigatown or gigascum with no inbetween

[usesPython]

Hmm just realized we're like the worst person to get SK. We need to be like middle of the road but we're only capable of being gigatown or gigascum with no inbetween

Stop pressing Submit without checking which thread you're in when you're posting shit like this smh smh

[usesPython]

Gonna let the thread stew before I start posting more, already feeling the nervous energy we get when we're scum

Broski you're fine, scum always think they're scummier than they actually are

[usesPython]

Where tf are the hyperposters at, we might actually have to advance the game ourselves at this rate

[usesPython]

Where tf are the hyperposters at, we might actually have to advance the game ourselves at this rate

Just wait for Invis to wake up, she'll hyperpost

[usesPython]

Hmm just realized we're like the worst person to get SK. We need to be like middle of the road but we're only capable of being gigatown or gigascum with no inbetween

Yo ur wrong, we're BP remember?

[usesPython]

First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

Don't be a lil bish, just straight up call people out and say their post makes no sense

[usesPython]

Calculating the number of people you need to call town/scum:
-Cringe
-Lame
-Stilted

Posting genuine vibereads:
-Cool
-Good
-Natural

[usesPython]

Why the frick are there so many investigative roles

Massclaim breaks the setup and bianco/snivy will probably realise that. If neither bring it up may be scum?

NVM turns out half of the bullshit is Mafia/Werewolf (but that still fricks us over pain)

[usesPython]

Not my dumb ass deciding to meta UNOwen, seeing they post "Hello everyone." every time, forgetting they did it this game, and starting a case

Still whatever:

Hello everyone

VOTE: Skygazer
This is the way

Hello everyone

imo the main power of the joat is that it is unknown

Agreed, despite the presumed typo.

Declare: Council Member

Hello everyone

Hello everyone

VOTE: Dannflor

Hello everyone

VOTE: Lowell

Hello everyone.

VOTE: Little Green Wheels

Hello everyone

VOTE: Corwinoid

Hello everyone.

VOTE: Cupcake Butterfly

Actually they might be scum here

[usesPython]

Question to think about later: Do we shoot Town or Scum?

[usesPython]

Actually they might be scum here

I'd post this in the main thread but even if we're right here it's the kind of thing that makes us look unhinged in a scummy way

[usesPython]

Question to think about later: Do we shoot Town or Scum?

I think it'd be pretty funny to fake claim vig and cc the real vig to call them sk, but by the time massclaim happens us ccing them would probably mechanically lose us the game

[usesPython]

Posted more in the main thread + Notes PT than the top 6 other posters combined

...this game needs more hyperposters

[usesPython]

Becoming a react youtuber really is the easiest way to play Mafia lmao

[usesPython]

Wow this game is easy

I keep wanting to scum read you for posts like these, but you continue to just be town* lol.

*Were scum once, but like you said, in fire and ice you were scum hunting(at least when I was alive).

[usesPython]

How to be a good scum player: Have such a scummy towngame that everything you do as scum gets excused

[usesPython]

Gonna need to watch STD closely, he might be in his scum meta of actually trying given that 72 was a good point

[usesPython]

Wow this game is easy

I keep wanting to scum read you for posts like these, but you continue to just be town* lol.

*Were scum once, but like you said, in fire and ice you were scum hunting(at least when I was alive).

God I just realized this is another game we've played with Drew where we're uninformed and have to scum hunt

[usesPython]

First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

Don't be a lil bish, just straight up call people out and say their post makes no sense

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

We're voting you cause the vibes are off

Liking my vote more here tbh

Like there's an implicit assumption that the wagon is pure that I think is +scum

VOTE: python
There is no such assumption, implicit or otherwise.
Like, this is a perfectly valid argument as long as one doesn't pay mind on the unsoundness of the premise that it asserts, that I think is +scum

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

He's still got his vote on NM from rvs and hasn't pushed anyone, wtf are you talking about

bianco/heip/someone else is the scumteam, wow this is really easy

Yeah like that good job :)

[usesPython]

Gonna go to bed and let other people yell at bianco for us

[usesPython]

Gonna go to bed and let other people yell at bianco for us

jk jk

[usesPython]

Waiting for page 15 to hit to see if Aureal will continue to be scum

[usesPython]

Merlyn has requested replacement.

[usesPython]

How tf has it already been 3 days, we're only at like page 6 wtf

[usesPython]

Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter

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I'm referring to 17, 36, and 39. I only intend to use the first 100 posts for this run.

Holy shit good thing we caught this before we claimed anything

actually

@Alianna are you using all the roles or just the first 100? Cause it doesn't seem clear from the setup post

Setup Information

Setup Creation

1. The game is guaranteed to contain:
- 10 players aligned with the

town

- 3 players aligned with an anti-town faction that has an equal chance to be

mafia

or

werewolves

- 1

serial killer

aligned with themself
2. All roles will be randomized from the Normal Idea Mafia deck to fulfill the predetermined faction distribution, with duplicates permitted.
3. While all of the possible roles in the game are within the bounds of Normalcy, I make no guarantee that the resulting setup will be balanced or would otherwise pass a Normal review.
4. A few roles in the deck have found to be non-Normal and have been altered to fit Normal guidelines. A list can be found here.
5. With the exception of the changes that have already been announced in the discussion thread, I will not make changes that meaningfully alter the function of a role. This applies even if the role has no effect. For example, encryptor can be rolled even though this game has global daytalk, and a mason or neighbour will get a PT by themself if only one is rolled.
6. I may make minor edits to roles to ensure that they are formatted in a clear and consistent way (e.g. minor edits for spelling and order of roles).
7. In the case of a mismatch between a role's name and its description, the name will take precedence and the description will be ignored. Descriptions will not always be copied word-for-word anyway.

Win Conditions

8. Each faction wins if all players not aligned with that faction are dead and a minimum of one player aligned with that faction is alive.
9. The game will be declared a draw if:
- all living players request one (this must be done via PM)
- everyone dies
- no one dies for three consecutive day-night cycles (or six consecutive phases)
- the game reaches a position in which one of the above is inevitable or no side has the means to meet its win condition
10. An anti-town faction may concede if all of its living members wish to.

Miscellaneous

11. Global daytalk is enabled, meaning all PTs are open during the day even without an encryptor.
12. Multitasking is not enabled, meaning players may only take one action at night unless they have the multitasking modifier.
13. You may ask me for a sample role PM for any post in the deck, but please don't abuse this.

Sample Role PMs

Spoiler:

Sample Vanilla Townie

Welcome, [Player], to Open 880!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Personal Abilities:

You have no personal abilities.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

Sample Power Role (Cop)

Welcome, [Player], to Open 880!

You are a

Town Cop

.

Personal Abilities:

Cop - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether your target is aligned with the town.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

Sample Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player], to Open 880!

You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partners are [Players].

Personal Abilities:

You have no personal abilities.

Factional Abilities:

Factional Communication - You may talk to your partners at any time here.
Factional Kill - Each night, your faction may send one of its members to target another player. Assuming no interference with this action, the target will die. You have access to the factional kill.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the mafia are dead and at least one mafia-aligned player is alive, or if nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role or by posting in the mafia PT.

Sample Werewolf Goon

Welcome, [Player], to Open 880!

You are a

Werewolf Goon

. Your partners are [Players].

Personal Abilities:

You have no personal abilities.

Factional Abilities:

Factional Communication - You may talk to your partners at any time here.
Factional Kill - Each night, your faction may send one of its members to target another player. Assuming no interference with this action, the target will die. You have access to the factional kill.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the werewolves are dead and at least one werewolf-aligned player is alive, or if nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role or by posting in the werewolf PT.

Sample Serial Killer

Welcome, [Player], to Open 880!

You are a

Serial Killer

.

Personal Abilities:

You have no personal abilities.

Factional Abilities:

Factional Kill - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, the target will die.

Win Condition:

You win if you are the last player alive, or if nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

[usesPython]

ok cool

[usesPython]

hmm now do we point it out anyways when someone claims a role from the 100+ series or would that just make us look more sus (like why do we know it)

Maybe just let people claim and once everyone claimed use it as a reason to townread ppl who claimed a role in the 100+ series if they're the cold and calculating type

[usesPython]

lol the timing on that is perfect

[usesPython]

comprehension. can you explain it in some other way? you voted him on #106 so I'm mainly interested in what inspired the vote

guys why'd we vote in 106 I literally don't remember I just said what sounded right

[usesPython]

lol the timing on that is perfect

Congrats drew you finally get a fake push from us

[usesPython]

Someone should really vig Bianco fr fr on god (hint hint)

[usesPython]

Someone should really vig Bianco fr fr on god (hint hint)

bianco might actually be town here?

[usesPython]

humaneatingmonkey replaces Merlyn.

Moderator Announcement

There was some confusion relating to a post I made in the Normal Idea Mafia thread.

Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter

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I'm referring to 17, 36, and 39. I only intend to use the first 100 posts for this run.

I never made it explicit in the Setup Information post, so I will clarify now that this was an earlier plan that I did not end up following. This game's setup was rolled using the entire 150-post deck.
That's all.

sus

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

Actually no nvm the timing on that would imply that monkey is sk since it was too close together to have read through the entire role list so if our angleshooting is correct they looked up parts of their role. If they were groupscum that would have probably popped up earlier

rn don't really care about sk that much

VOTE: Invis post

Like this is just a trash argument thou. Borderline only works if we think our mod royally screwed up

I'm going to boldly assume there's no way Alianna posts that announcment, linking to a specific role post in the NIM thread, in rensponse to a player with that role asking questions, and especially not such a player like HEM that would already be in the spotlight for being replaced. Like, no way she's going to modspew stuff that hard

this is probably a fair assertion in a vacuum but like it feels like tunneling here. It feels weirdly combatative (how do you spell that word)* but I think it's coming from a mindset of finding the evil boogeymonster and trying to find every opportunity to take them down

*so I've just discovered it's combative. Like it's three syllables. What. Did everyone else know this

Invis fuckin spittin, he can be town rn

[usesPython]

These wagons are an absolute shitshow lol, heip getting wagoned for basically nothing and everyone else split on everyone else

Whatever tho, we can stay on Bianco for the towncred when heip inevitably flips green

[usesPython]

Man SK is fun, it's like being Mafia except you get to bus whenever you want

...we should bus more often

[usesPython]

Someone should really vig Bianco fr fr on god (hint hint)

bianco might actually be town here?

We should either figure out a way to pivot off of bianco or just straight up shoot her, she's getting townreads too so it's less of a weird kill

[usesPython]

The fact that we're at 26% thread presence while barely even posting is pretty :\

[usesPython]

Aureal scum here fr fr on god?

[usesPython]

HEM getting hit with our schrödingers confidence lol

[usesPython]

I have no idea what Aureal is doing but she'd definitely do it as scum too going off Fire and Ice where she killed osuka to pocket the mod

[usesPython]

My fakeclaim is in post 5361731

It took me a while to come up with it, that's why I've been too busy to pay attention to whatever you're doing

TODO: Check if any subset of these numbers point to a town role

[usesPython]

[usesPython]

Aureal might be Vengeful or something

[usesPython]

Only Vengeful role is

Town Vengeful Miller

in post 14

[usesPython]

well, rate it then. it's happening.

i don't think aureal should be allowed the play the way she's trying to play right now and if she wants to remain in the game she needs to towntell.

2/10.
What's the difference between Aureal and Not_Mafia?

HEM told me in the scum PT to answer this question

Because Not Mafia does that every game

cCS not knowing about high effort NM but does have a point that it's still in their range compared to Aureal

[usesPython]

I'm not actually here though.

You in the scum PT?

No I'm just laying low because I have a really cool role and it would be a shame if I looked really townie and got shot or something.

On an unrelated note I wonder why they didn't use the mason feasibility clause from GIM. I hope there isn't a sad lonely mason out there.

Ah son of a bitch this is a compulsive loyal vig soft

[usesPython]

The same would be true for any negutil role like loyal vig or whatever.
It's such a bad soft that it's either trying to be twtbw or trying to eat the yeet

Compulsive Loyal Vigilante is positive utility cmv

Also it'd be really funny to come out later in the game and claim compulsive loyal vig with a red check (we skipped a person in our list)

[usesPython]

HEM is spittin but not in a town way, interesting nk to make?

[usesPython]

What it means is that you clearly have a much too limited view of my play range and I'm bloody well pushing back at that.

i mean this is totally fine, but i don't see why you would choose this game in particular to be less active as town, i feel like what this game needs more than anything is activity.

-ash

We have more posts in the notes PT than anyone does in the main thread

[usesPython]

Aureal sassposting makes me think she's town

[usesPython]

Being universally townread while basically openwolfing is pretty funny

[usesPython]

Being universally townread while basically openwolfing is pretty funny

Python: "yeah our cases are there exclusively to be townread"

Everyone else: "damn this dude town as hell"

[usesPython]

We should just keep shooting in the POE lol

[usesPython]

Pretty sure sky's claiming rolecop or something, that's our nightkill

[usesPython]

If scum are shooting us it'd be really funny to just holster

[usesPython]

HEM is schroedingers mafia: if we lim them they'll flip town and we'll wonder why tf we limmed them in this gamestate, if we don't lim them they'll flip scum and we'll wonder why tf didn't we trust our gut

[usesPython]

Alice and Nameless, go look at Drew next time you're fronting

[usesPython]

Pretty sure sky's claiming rolecop or something, that's our nightkill

Why the hell didn't we get on this wagon, whoever was fronting you're banned from mafia

[usesPython]

Why'd we get off the HEM wagon in the first place anyways?

[usesPython]

Prediction: Aureal flips town, rest of the thread goes shocked pikachu face

[usesPython]

Oh Sky's claiming

Town Jack-of-All-Trades (Rolecop, Tracker, Weak Hider)

I think? Since they want to test out Aureals claim

[usesPython]

Shooting Aureal to kill Sky when they hide at Aureals place would be pretty big brain since it also frames UNOwen and it's not like we have high priority kills to make rn

[usesPython]

inb4 heip is a megarole and he couldn't claim cause he got rolled while he was asleep

[usesPython]

heip literally went from 1 vote to limmed in 2 hours lmao that was amazing

[usesPython]

Actions for now just in case we forget:

Kill bianco and use Bulletproof

[usesPython]

Ok we finally have time again

First off: Hider only kills you if the person you're hiding at actually dies, so we can't do the funny without strongman

Second off: we only shoot UNO if they got targeted since they might be scum and we want the chance of a free day

Third: we gotta go through the thread and see the reads rn

[usesPython]

Possible kills:

• Doctor Drew - We Forgor
  
• biancospino - Townread af
  
• Flavor Leaf - Hmm leaving them alive might win us the game
  
• Invisibility - Decently townread
  
• humaneatingmonkey - Precarious, let em live to see how d2 plays out
  
• camelCasedSnivy - Kinda sketch
  
• BlueSnakelet - Empty canvas
  
• UNOwen - Getting vigged probably
  
• Save The Dragons - Brick wall
  
• Infinity 324 - Coasting but townread, would be a late mislim if at all

Impossible kills:

• Skygazer - Possibly Weak Hider, can we take the chance?
  
• usesPython - Based but no
  
• heipizhu4 - Already dead
  
• Aureal - N1 Bulletproof

Actually if sky's the vig can we really afford to let them keep shooting? (Role madness and it's consequences have been a disaster for SKs)

[usesPython]

oh wait Sky's claiming a vig role (723) yeah we should just shoot them

Shooting Skygazer and using Bulletproof

Received.

- Alianna

[usesPython]

Drew looks like scum to me pre 419 but after that his posts get townier

-A

[usesPython]

Kinda wanna claim the Doctor 1-shot Combined Cop Doctor and call HEM town, it sounds like it'd be really funny

Town Doctor 1-shot Combined Cop Doctor

Each night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability.

Once in the game during night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability and learn if they are

Town

or

Not Town

.

[usesPython]

Hmm do we go for the boring 1-shot BP claim or do we say fuck it we ball and do a completely uncalculated cop claim

fuck it we ball

[usesPython]

Hmm do we go for the boring 1-shot BP claim or do we say fuck it we ball and do a completely uncalculated cop claim

fuck it we ball

There's barely even anything that would cause the check to fail, let's do the funny

[usesPython]

Bruh, did groupscum have the same idea as us lmao?

[usesPython]

I think we gotta play risky to stop town just POEing everyone

[usesPython]

It'd be really funny if UNO is town here and groupscum just had the same idea as us and shot Sky

[usesPython]

752 makes me think bianco is groupscum

[usesPython]

inb4 we got roleblocked and are about to get bodied once someone calls us out on the HEM clear

[usesPython]

Tunnely bianco is exhausting to deal with tbh (we say as we continue to tunnel on bianco)

[usesPython]

We should claim Loyal Checker and red check Bianco

[usesPython]

@Alianna can we get a sample PM and results for:

Town Loyal Checker

[usesPython]

Oh my god what if scum shot us lmao I just realised we were BP and a decent NK

[usesPython]

If UNO flips town we fake a red check on Bianco every time

[usesPython]

If UNO flips town we fake a red check on Bianco every time

Hey before we do something that'll get us probably blacklisted we should probably consider just normal thunderdoming instead of a red check

-A

[usesPython]

If UNO flips town we fake a red check on Bianco every time

Hey before we do something that'll get us probably blacklisted we should probably consider just normal thunderdoming instead of a red check

-A

TODO: Deep dive Biancos meta

pedit: Thanks

[usesPython]

The suspense is killing me

[usesPython]

Oh my god UNO is town arent they

[usesPython]

Oh my god UNO is town arent they

We do a little trolling it's called we do a little trolling

[usesPython]

Damn FL is too smart we should have killed them

[usesPython]

[usesPython]

Damn FL is too smart we should have killed them

nvm they've level'd themselves back onto the possible mislim

[usesPython]

Do the smart thing and just claim the cop doctor and say you were trying to get shot

[usesPython]

We're so massively townread that we can afford to not give any more checks (We can even claim 1-shot rolecop if hem has a unique role)

[usesPython]

We'll think about the game later, for now:

Kill Aureal and use Bulletproof

[usesPython]

Actually nvm Snivy needs to die before he makes the POE even tighter

Kill Snivy and use Bulletproof

[usesPython]

inb4 we mindmeld with Mafia again and shoot the same person

[usesPython]

Just checked our posts, the only thing we've said about our role is that HEM is town and that we're waiting for d2 to end so that we can thunderdome Bianco d3. We can definitely claim the cop doc and just have everyone forget that second soft from too many posts

-A

[usesPython]

Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

We might be able to use this to claim roleblocked, would be an interesting play

[usesPython]

Wait no we're dumb as hell if we were doc cop we would have pointed out that we might have saved someone. Might still be able to work depending on how we approached snivy, if we hard defended him we can play it off as knowing it's not a guilty because we might have stopped a kill

[usesPython]

Wait no we're dumb as hell if we were doc cop we would have pointed out that we might have saved someone. Might still be able to work depending on how we approached snivy, if we hard defended him we can play it off as knowing it's not a guilty because we might have stopped a kill

We can kinda get away with it but we pretty much have to go for it if we're not going for 1-shot Rolecop and hem claims a unique town role

[usesPython]

The alternative is claiming Loyal Checker (Duplicates are allowed) or Combined Pyschologist Detective, but both of those probably POE us to death so we pretty much have to go for this

[usesPython]

Even faking every red check possible wont get the POE down small enough I think

[usesPython]

Plan for day 3:

If hem claims a unique role before us claim

Town 1-shot Role Cop

Once in the game during night, you may learn a player's role.

With a check on hem. Otherwise, claim

Town Doctor 1-shot Combined Cop Doctor

Each night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability.

Once in the game during night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability and learn if they are

Town

or

Not Town

.

With a check on hem

[usesPython]

Plan C: We claim BP and say we were hoping to draw a kill

[usesPython]

Plan C: We claim BP and say we were hoping to draw a kill

How it works:

We saw one kill and it's on a shield, therefore we might have gotten hit by whatever. Since UNOwen was shielded it means that if they flipped groupscum and we die n2 that means we were shot by sk n1 and hem isn't groupscum. Alternatively hem gets shot and we don't have to worry about a paranoia lim when people start going "what if the flashwagon was so strong was because both UNOwen and hem were scum"

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Just claim 1-shot Rolecop after this flip

Shoot humaneatingmonkey and use Bulletproof

-A

[usesPython]

Who's mafia shooting?

We've got:

1. Doctor Drew
   
2. biancospino
   
3. Flavor Leaf - In the towncore?
   
4. Invisibility
   
5. humaneatingmonkey - "conftown"
   
6. usesPython - Unspecified investigative
   
7. camelCasedSnivy - Loyal Checker
   
8. BlueSnakelet
   
9. Save The Dragons
   
10. Infinity 324 - In the towncore?
    
11. Aureal - conftown

Shot on us or Snivy seems pretty likely, maybe Aureal if they think we're shooting in the investigatives?

-A

[usesPython]

Just claim 1-shot Rolecop after this flip

Shoot humaneatingmonkey and use Bulletproof

-A

Wait why aren't we claiming Cop Doc in a roleblocker game?

[usesPython]

oh right 115

[usesPython]

Any reason we can't just claim a stronger investigative and say No Result?

[usesPython]

Any reason we can't just claim a stronger investigative and say No Result?

Stop overcomplicating things, just claim 1-shot Rolecop if we can get away with it. Rather not get paranoia limmed

-A

[usesPython]

pain

[usesPython]

How the hell do we even get out of this POE, bianco's obv maf for the d2 push and it's 7/1/1 soooo:

Drew/bianco and then two of Blue/STD/Invis, that's the lims we have to be going for

This hard

[usesPython]

We need bianco alive to keep shooting

[usesPython]

I swear to god if FL flips red I will lose my shit

[usesPython]

How the hell do we even get out of this POE, bianco's obv maf for the d2 push and it's 7/1/1 soooo:

Drew/bianco and then two of Blue/STD/Invis, that's the lims we have to be going for

This hard

So much for the invis lim, swap her out for FL

[usesPython]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[usesPython]

1. usesPython - us
   
2. Doctor Drew
   
3. biancospino
   
4. Flavor Leaf
   
5. Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
   
6. camelCasedSnivy - Loyal Checker
   
7. BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
   
8. Save The Dragons
   
9. Infinity 324

If we're not shooting Snivy tonight we have to be shooting him tomorrow, win every POE fight, and also pray there's no more green checks

...We ball?

[usesPython]

If FL is maf:

Kill Snivy, Daystart:

1. usesPython - us
   
2. Doctor Drew
   
3. biancospino
   
4. Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
   
5. BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
   
6. Save The Dragons
   
7. Infinity 324

Lim POE, Nightstart:

1. usesPython - us
   
2. biancospino
   
3. Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
   
4. BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
   
5. Save The Dragons
   
6. Infinity 324

Kill Invisibility, Daystart:

1. usesPython - us
   
2. biancospino
   
3. BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
   
4. Save The Dragons
   
5. Infinity 324

Lim POE, Nightstart:

1. usesPython - us
   
2. BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
   
3. Save The Dragons
   
4. Infinity 324

Kill Bluesnakelet, Daystart:

1. usesPython - us
   
2. Save The Dragons
   
3. Infinity 324

There's a chance here I think, it's just gonna be a huge uphill battle to get there

[usesPython]

Don't want to hear a peep about FL being weirdly confident about UNOwen not being the one making the nightkill because then people might realize Sky was an SK kill and that SK's can be BP

[usesPython]

Waiting for Drew to wake up and realize we never gambit like this as town

[usesPython]

How the fuck are we getting away with this shit wtf is wrong with people

[usesPython]

Town should just be shooting outside of Aureals TRs for the Mafia kill but we're sure as shit not pointing that out

[usesPython]

The things we do to win games (RIP our sleep schedule)

This is kinda looking like game though

[usesPython]

I think the POE is too tight if we lim mafia today, but we also have 0 conceivable way not to lim STD here so the only real way forward is hope STD is something like Night 50 Cop

[usesPython]

I feel like it would have been better for us to have shot snivy anyways

[usesPython]

Not me forgetting that we're multitasking and wondering how we've been killing and BPing the same night

[usesPython]

If Flavor doesn't get limmed today town just autowins

[usesPython]

We kinda don't really have any real way to force a FL lim through any more so the only real path forward is let STD get limmed and hope we're wrong about him being mafia

If STD flips red here we can pretty much only concede outside of someone here fakeclaiming

[usesPython]

Technically the RB doesn't clear FL of being SK cause Ascetic/Strongman but arguing that probably just brings us to an even worse position since it'll get dismissed as tinfoil tunneling

[usesPython]

NO FUCKING WAY WE'RE STILL IN IT WHAT THE FUCK

[usesPython]

What the actual fuck is this game lmao

[usesPython]

Kill Snivy

Received.

- Alianna

[usesPython]

Who is even mafia here?

[usesPython]

Two routes tomorrow:

1. 1v1 Flavor Leaf to call them Mafia:
   • Fits with our progression
     
   • Decreases the risk of locking us out of the game if bianco/Drew/Infinity is mafia and we get them limmed
2. Get everyone to agree there's one mafia one town between FL and I and push someone else as SK
   • Lets us hit a winning? 2/1/1 if we lim town (Might not be winning depending on roleblocks?)
     
   • Lets us avoid a hard 1v1
     
   • We don't have the progression on it, but maybe we do? (Call Blue pocketed and say we want them to either get shot to stop being wrong or stay alive to get them to reassess their reads when they're alive for longer than they should be)

[usesPython]

idk if DE getting in here is good or bad

[usesPython]

DE really out here going for that desperado shot for no reason (Invis too) what the hell

Games mechanically locked but we'll play it out to be the last POE standing

[usesPython]

What the fuck is FL smoking lmao

[usesPython]

@Alianna how does an endgame with just a Roleblocker and us resolve?

[usesPython]

What the fuck is FL smoking lmao

Someone (don't) stop them wtf am I reading

[usesPython]

FL somehow found the one POE that doesn't mechanically lock us out of the game

[usesPython]

FL somehow found the one POE that doesn't mechanically lock us out of the game

Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

Call Drew that and say he roleblocked the roleblock on him and shot, also leads naturally into why the check on STD happened and why hem got shot

[usesPython]

WE COULD HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THIS

[usesPython]

Can't wait to read dead chat postgame, I feel like Aureal's having another Weird Dreams tier meltdown cause we're not getting limmed lol

[usesPython]

Oh so we're pretty much forced to go for a FL/Drew/Python endgame rn :/

[usesPython]

Glad we didn't concede though, didn't expect FL to pull this lmao

[usesPython]

SK!Drew's night actions:

N1: Rolecop STD, shoot Sky or failed nightkill
N2: Roleblock DE?, shoot hem
N3: Roleblock bianco, shoot Snivy (Failed, hit Infinity prot. Shot because thought Infinity was lying about having shots)
N4: Roleblock Blue, shoot Blue

[usesPython]

Town grew a brain cell

[usesPython]

Town grew a brain cell

Wait I spoke too soon, how tf is DE seeing that route but not seeing the much more obvious route of Roleblock Blue and shoot Blue

[usesPython]

Praying that scum roleblocks have priority over town roleblocks

[usesPython]

Oh my god that makes so much more sense than town collectively going insane

[usesPython]

It's pretty funny that everyone's collectively assumed SK is Rolecop/Roleblocker/Doctor for like no reason

[usesPython]

Votes on us: Infinity/FL/Python

We pretty much can't win a 1v1 against anyone with FL alive without getting a townread from them so this is the only real play we have left

[usesPython]

People alive: Infinity/Drew/Snivy/Python/FL/DE/Blue

Lim Snivy

DE dies shooting Infinity

Shoot Blue

Leaves: Drew/Python/FL/Infinity with Drew/Python in the POE but FL has a block so not a viable strat even if we win the 1v1

No kill?

Leaves: Drew/Infinity/Python/FL/Blue, if we somehow get a Drew lim everyone gets blocked and we mechanically lose again

I think the only way we can win this is if FL doesn't submit an action in the kill Blue scenario so might as well go for it

[usesPython]

People alive: Infinity/Drew/Snivy/Python/FL/DE/Blue

Lim Snivy

DE dies shooting Infinity

Shoot Blue

Leaves: Drew/Python/FL/Infinity with Drew/Python in the POE but FL has a block so not a viable strat even if we win the 1v1

No kill?

Leaves: Drew/Infinity/Python/FL/Blue, if we somehow get a Drew lim everyone gets blocked and we mechanically lose again

I think the only way we can win this is if FL doesn't submit an action in the kill Blue scenario so might as well go for it

Kill FL in that case since they're pretty on point and their replacement probably isnt?

Can argue that FL was shot over Blue cause FL's been reassessing the entire game and leaving the legacy of shoot python tomorrow is good for Drew

-A

[usesPython]

Kill Flavor Leaf, use Bulletproof

[usesPython]

Actually a new player probably throws too much of a curveball here

Kill Yimmy, use Bulletproof

Received.

[usesPython]

Gonna need to write up an Ascetic SK victory speech to maybe despair FL enough to forget to Roleblock

[usesPython]

Gonna need to write up an Ascetic SK victory speech to maybe despair FL enough to forget to Roleblock

Things to quote: Us saying we can't be clear cause the no kill could have come from us shooting snivy

[usesPython]

FL is always trueclaiming here right? If yes we should NK Infinity to avoid a surprise ungated doc

[usesPython]

Drew considering the sk!infinity world cause we're too town is funny as hell

[usesPython]

Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss

[usesPython]

Table of Contents

I'm impressed by you having a table of contents for a notes PT

Yeah for mech heavy games with edit perms moving all the mech to one relevant, well formatted post helps a lot to keep track of everything and lets the rest of the PT be used for stream of consciousness stuff

If there arent edit perms then doing a new one every pagetop/putting a keyword that you can ctrl + f works fine too