Open 107: Carbon 14 - Game Over! before 716

[Empking]

Vote: Crazy

I don't think Crazy people are very good at Mafia.

[Empking]

Any evidence that this is a policy lynch?

[Empking]

The second part was a random reason.

The first line was serious.

[Empking]

Ah.

Are we still missing somebody?

[Empking]

unvote

Vote: Stef

Self voted and hasn't got his vote on someone.

[Empking]

Not completely. (I do think your klack of vote is anti-town)

[Empking]

Not having a vote stops the game from progressing. (Unless we bandwagon you)

[Empking]

We want to lynch on day 1. That isn't really debatable.

[Empking]

So you put me at L-2 in page 1 of the game based on the fact that.. i unvoted? Nobody was debating if we want a lynch D1.

FoS: Empking

Really,

so a lynch during the first day would not be fortunate for the town

[Empking]

Confirm Vote; Stef

Putting someone at L-2 is scummy but L-1 isn't.

Caboose, Crazy: Do you think Occam is scummy? If yes, Occam should claim.

[Empking]

As Stef, obviously wants to vote Occam. My previous,

Caboose, Crazy: Do you think Occam is scummy? If yes, Occam should claim.

Still holds true.

[Empking]

If the majority of the players want him lynched, he needs to claim.

[Empking]

Oh, yeah. Didn't think of that.

[Empking]

Can you explain that?

[Empking]

I swear Darox just posted.

[Empking]

Couldn't be, she posted after the first irl day.

[Empking]

Does anyone else have Stef as their main suspect?

At the moment, my big ones are Stef, Occam and Caboose but I'm worried that's because they're the three active players.

[Empking]

Stef, I think four people have you as their main suspect.

[Empking]

Good Post.

I think we should tak about a Stef claim. I'm for it.

[Empking]

Plus us managing to lynch scum D1 is even more useful than in other normal games. (we'll know the scum). So defintely no for no-lynch here.

[Empking]

Everyone with a non-random vote have said why they voted like they did.

[Empking]

[Empking looks scummy also, insisting on a claim from Occam in posts 36 and 42. Even Stef points out this is unjustified in Post 43, saying the two other votes on Occam are from the RVS.
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Did I insist for a claim? 42: If the majority of the players want him lynched, he needs to claim.

Personally, I don't see it as insisting for a claim and I still stand by it.

[Empking]

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Empking: Whoa...

Confirm Vote; Stef

Putting someone at L-2 is scummy but L-1 isn't.

Yeah..you are right. This is a serious vote and a good case against me.
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That wasn't the only reason I voted you and you know it.

[Empking]

Empking, I have been reading and re-reading your posts and I cannot seem to make much of them. Mainly due to the fact that none of them is larger than usually one sentence or two. Please explain your actions with arguments, details and evidence, and also, I would really like to hear what you have to say about each of the players. Maybe not more than one sentence - with evidence, reasons and all the rest - to keep it your way, if you are so keen on this laconic posting style, although I can't see how not being explicit and not bringing details is good for the town.
I am preparing a similar post, discussing every player, and I will bring it on soon.
I also have the same request for all the players of this game. Write your thoughts about everybody. That can only be helpful in the long run.

When those posts are not done at the correct time. They're anti-town. With two decent sized bandwagons, they're anti-town.

[Empking]

Empking:
- Why are you asking for claims all the time? How would it be helpful for the town?
- Can you please build cases against the people you suspect?
- Your vote against me, considering the circumstances, is only based on me putting Occam at L-1 for a short period of time? Do you think that is enough to warrant my lynch?
- You said that 4 people have me as their main suspect. Who are those 4 people?.

If all but three people including yourself want you lynched. You'll have to either persuade people off or claim.

No

No, the fact that you still say, is only based on that thing which wasn't even mentioned in my voting post, is enough for you to be lynched.

Me, Caboose, Occam and Ortolan.

[Empking]

Its L-1 with Cabboose voting you. You must be his top suspect. Your hasn't voted me argument is bad.

- You didn't have a vote on someone
- The l-1, L-2 thing. (What you find most scummy, is what you do as scum)
- Constantly misinterpreting the attack against her.
- Arguing that because Ortolan sidn't hammer, he must not find him scummy.

[Empking]

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Carboose has made no such statement .. ortolan said i'm scummy but hasn't voted for me ?

The second quote you asked for,

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Confirm Vote; Stef

Putting someone at L-2 is scummy but L-1 isn't.

Yeah..you are right. This is a serious vote and a good case against me.
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The first quote.

[Empking]

Then I fail to see why you mentioned voting at all.

You said that was the wole argument.

[Empking]

I think Stef has conviced me that he might not be scum.

Unvote

I'm not sure who's goint to take it though. I'll have to give the thread another read.

[Empking]

I think Stef has conviced me that he might not be scum.

Details?

He's argued his case without any of the mistakes I'd expect scum to. He's not inocent in my eyes though.

[Empking]

Vote: Caboose

This is ridiculous.

[Empking]

It looks to me like Caboose is being quiet until Crazy's next post. That's it. If anyone is at fault it's Crazy.
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Can you see why scum might not want to post? Or why they might make an excuse not to post (like I'm waiting for Crazy)?

You've got a point about the lack of a FoS on Crazy.

[Empking]

Is there nothing you can say?

[Empking]

That's a lynch. Caboose can no longer talk.

[Empking]

Was there a reason it couldn't wait?

[Empking]

If somebody has a guilty investigation, its better for them tpo claim it without revealing the naive cop.

[Empking]

The naive cop is effectively a barber. Not that powerful but still useful.

[Empking]

5 players. Only two want a mass claim. No I'm not going to claim.

[Empking]

That's not your descision to make.

[Empking]

Cop

Investigated Stef

Got an innocent

[Empking]

Yeah I'm vanilla. I think it's pretty clear Emp is scum.

Why?

[Empking]

Almost Vote; Occam

- Doesn't think Ort is scum.

[Empking]

Vote; Crazy

I think its obvious why.

[Empking]

Do you have a reason for voting me as opposed to the very big lurker that proposed MC, was then the last to claim and then pretended to not be the last to claim.

Crazy - IMO is obvscum. The reasons you should lynch him above.
Occam - Has made no suggestions after Ort claimed that Ort is scum. (He has posted after the claim) This seems obviously scummy and he quick lynched. (which scum would do in order to help crazy)

[Empking]

The last to claim doesn't matter. Pretending that you were't the last to claim? That's very scummy.

Regarding Occam, I don't need to convine you. You're scum. The fact that Occam didn't find the person claiming "his" role in an open set up. Is tres scummy.

Simple, Occam's QL protected definate scum (you). Ort's didn't.

[Empking]

Occam: How do you explain, not finding Ort scum?

[Empking]

Occam; Post 196, why didn't you suggest Ort was scum?

[Empking]

But he claimed "your" role, shouldn't that at least warrant a mention?