Open 882: Over-Easy Mafia [Game Over]

[Alianna]

Perfect timing, it's 9:12 for me right now.

[Alianna]

VOTE: Alianna

Just playing the odds at this point with her.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I could apply that to you too lol, still haven't played with scum!you yet.

[Alianna]

IM NOT READY!

VOTE: Alianna

Chances are since I rolled town Ali rolled scum. I hope not, but hope doesn’t scramble these eggs.

Scramble them? You want to SCRAMBLE them? How could you? The eggs are meant to be protected!

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Alianna]

Okay this is my second post. Once everyone makes three I will have nailed the scumteam. Stand by.

RCE doesn't need to make 3, he's already confessed to wanting to torture and destroy our precious eggs.

[Alianna]

Something unexpected came up -

V/LA until Saturday.

[Alianna]

Perfect timing to log back in and say I'm going to catch up now...

[Alianna]

Just going to eat another handful of coffee beans first, then I'll get reading.

[Alianna]

How'd Klazam get in hammer range on page 4 and why was everyone just okay with it?

[Alianna]

How'd Klazam get in hammer range on page 4 and why was everyone just okay with it?

Really not seeing what y'all were seeing there.

[Alianna]

Cause there's two mafia, T-Bone's been flying under the radar, and we can't vote for two people at the same time but sure we can talk. Why did you think a gamblers fallacy tier post like

IM NOT READY!

VOTE: Alianna

Chances are since I rolled town Ali rolled scum. I hope not, but hope doesn’t scramble these eggs.

was serious instead of RVS when you posted this?

VOTE: rce I like the pun but not the reasoning

I didn't actually care whether the reasoning was fallacious or not, I didn't like that there was reasoning in an RVS at all. The vibe is kind of studied and practiced to me. I think even a 'voting Alianna bc she gotta be scum sometime' would have bothered me less, it was the sort of shoehorning in the 'bc I'm town this game' part that made me frown

Context is this.

Spoiler:

Sorry about the cat problem Alianna. It has gotten out of hand!

Are you even capable of rolling town?

At this point I question if I have it in me lol.

[Alianna]

How'd Klazam get in hammer range on page 4 and why was everyone just okay with it?

Really not seeing what y'all were seeing there.

why wouldn't I be okay with it? If someone got hammered on page 4 I think the suspect pool would narrow considerably.

Another question for you then...why didn't you hammer? Or does that only apply if someone else hammers?

[Alianna]

I just realized Merlyn is probably town. It's that vibe where the posts make me go "???" but in a way that's usually town-indicative.

[Alianna]

Anyway Flower kinda slipped all the way on page 2 that they talk with yessiree privately. I assume that means yessiree has the power role between them. As there are no neighbors, I can only come to one conclusion.

Quote it cause not only are you wrong but I can't find anything that'd make you think this either

Yeah, where is the slip?

[Alianna]

Unofficial VC:

T-Bone (E-1): yessiree, Save The Dragons, Flower, Doctor Drew
Flower (E-2): Merlyn, T-Bone, Klazam
Merlyn (1): RCEnigma
RCEnigma (1): Alianna

[Alianna]

Unofficial VC:

T-Bone (E-1): yessiree, Save The Dragons, Flower, Doctor Drew
Flower (E-2): Merlyn, T-Bone, Klazam
Merlyn (1): RCEnigma
RCEnigma (1): Alianna

I had to check for myself, 99% sure that is not actually hammer.
I'm not concerned by Drew's reaction there, personally.

[Alianna]

Drew might be scum not yessiree. How exciting. Doesn't even engage with the post just says "oh I'm scum" and hammers. You all eliminate Drew/Flower/yessiree and thank me in the post game.

If this is a genuine post and not purely a reaction test, I don't see where you're getting the accusation of "didn't engage with the post."

[Alianna]

Real talk I'm not a fool and I am not expecting people to fall at my feet for a small case based on a small thing I think I see. I do expect maybe some good faith engagement from town though! I clearly laid out what I think and why I think it. So please explain to me how drew replying with "this is a drew post" is engagement, Alianna. Engage with me now.

I'm pretty sure there was more there than, "this is a Drew post."

[Alianna]

Real talk I'm not a fool and I am not expecting people to fall at my feet for a small case based on a small thing I think I see. I do expect maybe some good faith engagement from town though! I clearly laid out what I think and why I think it. So please explain to me how drew replying with "this is a drew post" is engagement, Alianna. Engage with me now.

I'm pretty sure there was more there than, "this is a Drew post."

Like, that was part of it, but there was a legitimate accusation there too (reaching to an extent that Drew considers scummy), and this comes off like you're ignoring that part and reducing it to just "I do this as scum therefore you are scum."

[Alianna]

What the fuck. TBone is town, why are you hammering

Why is T-Bone town?
(not sold on T-Bone scum btw, just asking to see your reasons)

[Alianna]

Stopping here at 17 posts so y'all can chew on things for a bit and I have leeway to respond if someone brings up something new.

I don't want to go into a back and forth Alianna but I hope you can see why I find your defense of Drew's post lacking when I contend he didn't engage on any of the thoughts I had. I legitimately don't understand you. It's like you're either seeing more posts from Drew in a PT that explains his behavior in your eyes or you're just saying things hoping that people will move on. I struggle to come up with a more logical explanation for why you are defending him from my point of view.

Pretty sure I'm getting close to 20 posts too. I am at a loss for how to respond to your posts right now and I need to decide if that's because I actually don't have a case or because you're deliberately trying to trip me up. The loaded questions in 200 would suggest the latter, but I will follow up on this and try to take everything into account.

[Alianna]

Stopping here at 17 posts so y'all can chew on things for a bit and I have leeway to respond if someone brings up something new.

I don't want to go into a back and forth Alianna but I hope you can see why I find your defense of Drew's post lacking when I contend he didn't engage on any of the thoughts I had. I legitimately don't understand you. It's like you're either seeing more posts from Drew in a PT that explains his behavior in your eyes or you're just saying things hoping that people will move on. I struggle to come up with a more logical explanation for why you are defending him from my point of view.

Pretty sure I'm getting close to 20 posts too. I am at a loss for how to respond to your posts right now and I need to decide if that's because I actually don't have a case or because you're deliberately trying to trip me up. The loaded questions in 200 would suggest the latter, but I will follow up on this and try to take everything into account.

Unfortunately, I'm not always logical or understandable, even to myself lol. I will try to make my thought process at least somewhat clear here, but it's not going to be the specific analysis you're looking for.
The way I read 180 yesterday was that Drew thought you were reaching a lot in a scummy way. I'd also gone and re-read the interactions you mentioned, could kind of see what you meant but definitely thought you were reaching, and assumed we were having similar thoughts. In my mind, some level of engagement was implied, but I see how I could be making some dangerous assumptions and I think my idea of what engagement looks like looser than yours. I get why that would be a point of misunderstanding if you're town.

Interesting. Don’t like flower’s reaction to TBone’s case there, TBone’s case i see what is meant but oof it’s pretty nebulous. I wouldn’t have even noticed these things and/or drawn conclusions from that like bone did.

Drew’s nonhammer there I don’t think is an scummy post so I disagree with bone on that. Alright I think that’s all for now

Ali.. (thought you voted bone at one point, I’ll need to check) - reason why I think bone is town is because I’m massively liking how he’s that confident with his posting early, felt like he wasn’t being cautious. Points stuff out that they notice, the line about lolhammering me, etc. don’t think any of that comes from scum.

I think confidence vs. caution is a playstyle thing a lot of the time, but fair enough. I'm still conflicted on Bone.

I haven't actually moved my RVS vote, should probably undo it.

UNVOTE: RCEnigma

[Alianna]

I'm inclined to townlean you being so chill about being in hammer range though, unless maybe you're paired with Bone.

[Alianna]

I'm inclined to townlean you being so chill about being in hammer range though, unless maybe you're paired with Bone.

I maybe could see why you think they could be paired with Bone, but is there a reason or just vibes?

If they're paired with Bone, they'd know the suggestion of lolhammering is just a bluff (or if scum actually did lolhammer their buddy D1 for some reason, they'd just get locktowned lol). I'm only commenting on that interaction though, haven't looked yet to see if there's anything else that might rule out the pair and also vibe-reading Klazam as town anyway.

[Alianna]

I'm inclined to townlean you being so chill about being in hammer range though, unless maybe you're paired with Bone.

I maybe could see why you think they could be paired with Bone, but is there a reason or just vibes?

If they're paired with Bone, they'd know the suggestion of lolhammering is just a bluff

(or if scum actually did lolhammer their buddy D1 for some reason, they'd just get locktowned lol)

. I'm only commenting on that interaction though, haven't looked yet to see if there's anything else that might rule out the pair and also vibe-reading Klazam as town anyway.

Actually, never mind, there'd probably be more moon logic and WIFOM over it in this playerlist. Not really relevant to the point though.

[Alianna]

I'm inclined to townlean you being so chill about being in hammer range though, unless maybe you're paired with Bone.

I maybe could see why you think they could be paired with Bone, but is there a reason or just vibes?

If they're paired with Bone, they'd know the suggestion of lolhammering is just a bluff

(or if scum actually did lolhammer their buddy D1 for some reason, they'd just get locktowned lol)

. I'm only commenting on that interaction though, haven't looked yet to see if there's anything else that might rule out the pair and also vibe-reading Klazam as town anyway.

Actually, never mind, there'd probably be more moon logic and WIFOM over it in this playerlist. Not really relevant to the point though.

This does feel like the 'not sure of herself' townAlberta.

I am actually from Alberta, the misspelling is accurate this time lol.
I wonder if I could design a theme game around all the ways my name has been intentionally butchered on this site. The setup would probably be wack but it'd be funny.
I'd mod it on Aliana.

[Alianna]

It's actually funny because I had thought that yessiree had dropped the PT tell on page 1 post 23 when he made a nonsequiter reference to Klaz's scum games or lack thereof. But the way Flower responds to yessiree and to everyone else they respond to upon their entrance is so different and also says "i have a PT" and it says to me "I have a PT with yessiree". Compare Flower's 25 a response to STD and their entrance, to 27 a response to yessiree. Then in 34 to Merlyn and again in 38 to STD. One of these things is not like the other. There is some get-to-know-you energy in Flower's responses to STD and Merlyn vs I-know-everything-about-you in response to yessiree. No, I'm not referencing to overall familiarity from other games. There is always this feeling out period that players need to do at the start of the game to see where they stand. Flower did not feel out yessiree at all like they did other players. That tells me they did it in their PT already. Flower goes on to feel out Klaz because they are meeting for the first time in this game on page 3. Then when Flower addresses yessiree again in 68 that's gone once again.

There's no sense in me quoting out of context so I will link to where I think it begins and you should read with my comments in mind.

viewtopic.php?p=13902327#p13902327

this seems wild

As a fellow moon thinker I like where TBone is coming from. However not to speak for yessiree but I think it’s common to make a snap judgement on players one way or the other. Which is going to shade how you interact with them, or don’t even.

flower(usespython) and I are pretty aware of each other's meta from our past games

I didn't think too much about it, and I'm not too surpised others like TBone picked up on it

This kinda my point, why use it as a basis to case someone? Merlyn and I have made direct references to each other and taken jabs at each other, why not use that as an attempt to case us? Is it that Bone Zone isn't as threatened by Ol Weirdo Drew and Newbie Merlyn as he is by someone with a much older join date and someone who is great at mech solving? And when Ol Weirdo Drew made his case for scumBone he caught the collateral damage, since they know some people have an impression that Drew is lim bait and could be an easy push. Just look at how they engage with Drew after the 'lolhammer'.......that is not in good faith.

I continue to say it, but Bad To The Bone is just that, a bad guy.

Also, Drew is going to refer to themselves in the third person from here on out, deal with it nerds.

Pre Edit: yessiree, I kinda get that.....but I am looking at the bigger picture about how they handled things after just the initial push of you and flower.

My main issue with T-Bone's posting isn't the Flower/yessiree read, it's the posting that came after it.

Real talk I'm not a fool and I am not expecting people to fall at my feet for a small case based on a small thing I think I see. I do expect maybe some good faith engagement from town though! I clearly laid out what I think and why I think it. So please explain to me how drew replying with "this is a drew post" is engagement, Alianna. Engage with me now.

I'm pretty sure there was more there than, "this is a Drew post."

Yes, he certainly typed up about 20 other words besides those but I'd like to know what he said that makes you say he did something with the information I presented. Did Drew say what he thought of Flower? Did he draw any consideration for what I said in how Flower approached yessiree vs how Flower approached other players? Please be specific in your analysis of his post.

For one example, this. Feels like it's meant to be a cheap "gotcha." You read the posts, you know he didn't do that in the post we're talking about, what's the point of the questions other than to make me look bad? I get not understanding where I'm coming from but why do this as town rather than asking questions that might actually help you understand?
And I think you've made some good points about other things that suggest he's not acting in good faith.

[Alianna]

Actually, he's not in hammer range anymore, I'll vote.

VOTE: T-Bone

E-2.

[Alianna]

Drew, if you're scum here, I'm going to feel like such a clown.

[Alianna]

It's actually funny because I had thought that yessiree had dropped the PT tell on page 1 post 23 when he made a nonsequiter reference to Klaz's scum games or lack thereof. But the way Flower responds to yessiree and to everyone else they respond to upon their entrance is so different and also says "i have a PT" and it says to me "I have a PT with yessiree". Compare Flower's 25 a response to STD and their entrance, to 27 a response to yessiree. Then in 34 to Merlyn and again in 38 to STD. One of these things is not like the other. There is some get-to-know-you energy in Flower's responses to STD and Merlyn vs I-know-everything-about-you in response to yessiree. No, I'm not referencing to overall familiarity from other games. There is always this feeling out period that players need to do at the start of the game to see where they stand. Flower did not feel out yessiree at all like they did other players. That tells me they did it in their PT already. Flower goes on to feel out Klaz because they are meeting for the first time in this game on page 3. Then when Flower addresses yessiree again in 68 that's gone once again.

There's no sense in me quoting out of context so I will link to where I think it begins and you should read with my comments in mind.

viewtopic.php?p=13902327#p13902327

this seems wild

As a fellow moon thinker I like where TBone is coming from. However not to speak for yessiree but I think it’s common to make a snap judgement on players one way or the other. Which is going to shade how you interact with them, or don’t even.

flower(usespython) and I are pretty aware of each other's meta from our past games

I didn't think too much about it, and I'm not too surpised others like TBone picked up on it

This kinda my point, why use it as a basis to case someone? Merlyn and I have made direct references to each other and taken jabs at each other, why not use that as an attempt to case us? Is it that Bone Zone isn't as threatened by Ol Weirdo Drew and Newbie Merlyn as he is by someone with a much older join date and someone who is great at mech solving? And when Ol Weirdo Drew made his case for scumBone he caught the collateral damage, since they know some people have an impression that Drew is lim bait and could be an easy push. Just look at how they engage with Drew after the 'lolhammer'.......that is not in good faith.

I continue to say it, but Bad To The Bone is just that, a bad guy.

Also, Drew is going to refer to themselves in the third person from here on out, deal with it nerds.

Pre Edit: yessiree, I kinda get that.....but I am looking at the bigger picture about how they handled things after just the initial push of you and flower.

My main issue with T-Bone's posting isn't the Flower/yessiree read, it's the posting that came after it.

Real talk I'm not a fool and I am not expecting people to fall at my feet for a small case based on a small thing I think I see. I do expect maybe some good faith engagement from town though! I clearly laid out what I think and why I think it. So please explain to me how drew replying with "this is a drew post" is engagement, Alianna. Engage with me now.

I'm pretty sure there was more there than, "this is a Drew post."

Yes, he certainly typed up about 20 other words besides those but I'd like to know what he said that makes you say he did something with the information I presented. Did Drew say what he thought of Flower? Did he draw any consideration for what I said in how Flower approached yessiree vs how Flower approached other players? Please be specific in your analysis of his post.

For one example, this. Feels like it's meant to be a cheap "gotcha." You read the posts, you know he didn't do that in the post we're talking about, what's the point of the questions other than to make me look bad? I get not understanding where I'm coming from but why do this as town rather than asking questions that might actually help you understand?
And I think you've made some good points about other things that suggest he's not acting in good faith.

I realized I'm using "you" to refer to both Drew and Bone here and I hope it's not confusing.

[Alianna]

I legit was excited for what their solve was lol, I love shit like that.

But, do you see my angle here?

remind me what ur angle was? I mentally noted his reaction to being put to L-1 and the aggressive tone shift that came after, but I've seen town!bone react the same way when pushed by scum before

Would you have any game links that show that?

[Alianna]

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=52&t=86191&user_se ... B%5D=15310

somewhere after Battle Mage (scum) votes T-Bone (town), but you can check his reaction to my shitpush too

also I might be approaching my quota so Imma be conservative with my posting from now on

I'll check that out later, thanks.

[Alianna]

I don't know if I agree with Alibabas case but I do feel like she's probably rolled town again (if you did how many times is it now?)

I also reject the nickname I was given, I want something cooler like The Sundance Kid or Doesn't Understand Whisky Merlyn

I have 14 completed towngames in a row, including the one I repped out of. Obviously can't discuss anything that may be ongoing.

[Alianna]

Aureal replaces Merlyn.

Aureal repping in is another reason to townread this slot.

[Alianna]

Ugh, I have to read now. Sometimes I wonder why I play this game.

[Alianna]

Ugh, I have to read now. Sometimes I wonder why I play this game.

I don't think I even comprehend the last few pages yet. Brain fried.

[Alianna]

UNVOTE:

Feeling a bit meh about the Bone wagon.

[Alianna]

\And the pushback on Merlyn's lack of vote likewise is not towny at all, in contrast to RCE's attempt to portray it as such. It comes off as an attempt to

look

unconcerned with the votes on him, but why should Klazam be so focused on a lack of voting him when there was already a large wagon on him? "Why

aren't

people voting me?" doesn't seem like the line of thought a townie is likely to have here, it seems like a way to discredit someone else and look like you're selflessly scum hunting. Merlyn hadn't expressed nearly enough suspicion to warrant such an early hammer; if she'd voted in the post he took issue with that would've been e-1 and shortly thereafter a hammer. See my sig for supporting material on the concept of people not wanting wagons hammered early.

I'll get caught up on the most recent pages later.

I liked that post from Klazam when I first read it but somehow did not realize he was at E-1 when he said that. That...probably changes some things.

[Alianna]

We're fine sheeping Alianna inside Klazam/Aureal/T-Bone rn

Why do you want to do that?

[Alianna]

As far as your read on Merlyn goes, try imagining her posts coming from Black- does that change how you think of them? Having recently finally seen a whole town game from Merlyn, I think they have some commonalities; and after reading five pages of this game I had a read on her alignment and was not at all surprised to receive a town PM.

I thought about it for a little and I can kind of see the connection (and yes, I would be yelling "LOCKTOWN!" if those were Black's posts lol).
I really like this post, not quite sure how to explain why though. I guess I'd just be surprised if it was fake? I don't think it's 100% clearing but I feel Aureal!town in my soul and I don't want to vote there today.

Aureal I feel like you are setting me up here to take the fall regardless of klazams alignment and I’m not gonna lie, it’s not my jam.

How's that? If Klazam flipped town, obviously you're not scum partners. You could be scum white knighting a distressed townie I guess, but I don't see that I've said anything to that effect before this.

Great, now your preemptive defensiveness is making me consider that possibility. Thanks. :/

I'll second this.

[Alianna]

We're fine sheeping Alianna inside Klazam/Aureal/T-Bone rn

Why do you want to do that?

We think you're town and that there's probably scum in that list

Fair enough. (also why am I town?)
I'm townreading Aureal but would consider Klazam, would go back to T-Bone if I had to at EoD but was feeling pretty meh about voting them as I mentioned earlier.

[Alianna]

I'm kinda stuck here. Still think my two vote targets is the same, despite the replacement. I did like what drew had to say re coming out of gates hard.

Your two vote targets being Aureal and Flower?

[Alianna]

I'm reading this yet again and I still just can't see it as a natural reaction.

That was fast lol. Was curious to the reaction from flower.

I think I’m parking my vote there still.

It’s hard for me to read through this mix of jokey reasons and serious reasonings. TBone I think is town, yes probably is town.

Merlyn, I’m eh not sure on.

Since I’m in hammer range, if anyone got questions or want me to give my opinions on whatever, ask away. I’ll try to watch the thread for the next few hours.

This is just playing it way too cool. It's a mix of jokey and serious reasonings that are hard to read, according to Klazam. In a townKlazam world, isn't this something that should be alarming, that day could end like this with what he knows to be a town miselimination and such a hard to read gamestate?

Sure. I think it’s more an approach thing. Hard for me to substantiate it, but I like the confidence he had.

The lolhammer part, I get and think it’s mostly null, it’s page 5 after all, I don’t think that things like that is particularly surprising. In fact I’m surprised someone didn’t lolhammer yet. I probably would in someone else’s shoes.

And this. I just can't. He's

surprised

someone hasn't lolhammered?

Klazam, can you cite me some games you've seen where someone gets lolhammered in the first 48 hours of the game? While it's a thing that

could

happen, I simply cannot believe that you actually believe it to be the

most likely

thing to happen.

I was originally townleaning the calm reaction because it seemed odd for scum to be that chill if they think they're about to die and lose half their team on page 4.
This is convincing though, I didn't look at it from that angle. I'll join you.

VOTE: Klazam

[Alianna]

Well I haven't voted you yet

Lame

Jailkeeper, get on the counterwagon

Oof.
Would it be worth claiming a jail target for if Klazam flips red and you die? Or does the possibility of 1-shot strongman just render that useless?

[Alianna]

Definitely not if you're actually town.

[Alianna]

Wait nvm strongman in that case

We're pretty useless if the strongman is still alive

Strongman isn't guaranteed, a no-kill would still be pretty much a guilty, bar any weird shenanigans.
Mind you, you'd be alive.

[Alianna]

Well I haven't voted you yet

Lame

Jailkeeper, get on the counterwagon

Oof.
Would it be worth claiming a jail target for if Klazam flips red and you die? Or does the possibility of 1-shot strongman just render that useless?

if klazam flips red we jail tbone

At that point if game continues Drew might actually be scum

I hope not, but I'm paranoid lol.

[Alianna]

o7

[Alianna]

I couldn't point to anything in particular, but yessiree gives me weird vibes.

VOTE: yessiree

Have a vote for now.

[Alianna]

I couldn't point to anything in particular, but yessiree gives me weird vibes.

VOTE: yessiree

Have a vote for now.

I am kinda meh on them, I know you said you can't point to anything in particular......but is there something tangible to your vibes?Nope, that one is actually just a vibe.

[Alianna]

I couldn't point to anything in particular, but yessiree gives me weird vibes.

VOTE: yessiree

Have a vote for now.

I am kinda meh on them, I know you said you can't point to anything in particular......but is there something tangible to your vibes?

Nope, that one is actually just a vibe.

EBWOP for quotes.

[Alianna]

Wait nvm strongman in that case

We're pretty useless if the strongman is still alive

Strongman isn't guaranteed, a no-kill would still be pretty much a guilty, bar any weird shenanigans.
Mind you, you'd be alive.

why strongman isn't a guaranteed kill against a jailor btw?

I meant that strongman isn't guaranteed to exist in the setup.
Jailkeeper setups are:

• Mafia Rolecop
  ,
  Town Follower
  , and
  Town Jailkeeper
  
  
• Town Follower
  ,
  Town Jailkeeper
  , and
  Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
  
  
• Town Jailkeeper
  ,
  Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
  , and
  Town Babysitter

[Alianna]

VOTE YESSIREE HE STRONGMAN KILLED FLOWER!!!

[Alianna]

i dont know how i feel about Alianna dropping a vote without anything tangible other than "weird vibes"
i was going to townread that because it seemed a nonchalant scummy thing that only town would ever do
but alianna doesn't strike me as the carefree type given how conservative she was with her day 1 voting, but i never played with her before so anyone wanna refute that feel free

Mostly because I don't actually have anything tangible to scumread at the moment (which is not an uncommon position for me to be in). I don't remember if I've done anything like that or not before and don't really care to meta myself, but I figured "why not?" because it might at least start some discussion.

[Alianna]

I wish. Not a bad game to roll town in though.

[Alianna]

I couldn't point to anything in particular, but yessiree gives me weird vibes.

VOTE: yessiree

Have a vote for now.

I am kinda meh on them, I know you said you can't point to anything in particular......but is there something tangible to your vibes?

Nope, that one is actually just a vibe.

EBWOP for quotes.

Hmm...I think part of it is that they just feel the least likely to be town out of everyone here to me. I don't have an explanation for that though.

[Alianna]

I'd like to execute in yessiree/RCE/Dragons today.

[Alianna]

I couldn't point to anything in particular, but yessiree gives me weird vibes.

VOTE: yessiree

Have a vote for now.

I am kinda meh on them, I know you said you can't point to anything in particular......but is there something tangible to your vibes?

Nope, that one is actually just a vibe.

EBWOP for quotes.

Hmm...I think part of it is that they just feel the least likely to be town out of everyone here to me. I don't have an explanation for that though.

If you feel I'm least likely to be town, there must be some sort of metric or something you're using to compare me with the rest of players no?

Depends on what a metric is to you. I don't have some scientific method of determining alignments, I'm relying largely on intuition right now.

[Alianna]

I'd like to execute in yessiree/RCE/Dragons today.

Are you in the same place I am at that they have been in the background?

Sort of?

[Alianna]

VOTE: Aureal

I don’t think TBone being the primary option when there was a separate counterwagon to town in aureal is coincidence. Still on the TBone town train.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

I do feel better about Bone though, yes they could strongman, but that is one specific scenario for that to happen, and odds are they are not strongman.

Flower said they'd jail T-Bone if Klazam flipped red. Klazam flipped green, so we don't know if T-Bone was jailed.

[Alianna]

Aureal feels wooden to me that's why i want to vote there

not sure why the slot is getting tr so much

RC
Yessir

Aureal

Bone
std

Alianna

This is where I am kinda at, you and Aureal both kinda in the null slot, with me maybe slightly leaning scum on her.....so I wouldn't be too opposed to a wagon on her.

I feel like Alianna is being same ol townAlianna,

and

until she proves me wrong I will trust her read on yessir

. And I feel, as I said, yessir and RC are the background players(or as Bone put it, in my blind spot), and RC seems to be making posts that don't seem genuine.

I could see you as scum, but I just feel you are in your town meta, but don't feel as strong about that as I do as Alianna.

Bone I just feel better about in general after really thinking about it. But the strongman thing is still a possibility, so I can't discount that possibility

Our reads are basically the same with STD and Aureal swapped.
I was paranoid of you yesterday and honestly I'm still paranoid of you today even though I really don't have a reason to be.

I don't actually know what your scumgame looks like yet, but this is kind of how I feel about you too.

This sent me off into tinfoil-land for a second, but I realized my theory would only make sense if you'd voted yessiree.
On that subject, why do you scumread RCE over yessiree?

[Alianna]

Aureal feels wooden to me that's why i want to vote there

not sure why the slot is getting tr so much

RC
Yessir

Aureal

Bone
std

Alianna

This is where I am kinda at, you and Aureal both kinda in the null slot, with me maybe slightly leaning scum on her.....so I wouldn't be too opposed to a wagon on her.

I feel like Alianna is being same ol townAlianna,

and

until she proves me wrong I will trust her read on yessir

. And I feel, as I said, yessir and RC are the background players(or as Bone put it, in my blind spot), and RC seems to be making posts that don't seem genuine.

I could see you as scum, but I just feel you are in your town meta, but don't feel as strong about that as I do as Alianna.

Bone I just feel better about in general after really thinking about it. But the strongman thing is still a possibility, so I can't discount that possibility

Our reads are basically the same with STD and Aureal swapped.
I was paranoid of you yesterday and honestly I'm still paranoid of you today even though I really don't have a reason to be.

I don't actually know what your scumgame looks like yet, but this is kind of how I feel about you too.

This sent me off into tinfoil-land for a second, but I realized my theory would only make sense if you'd voted yessiree.
On that subject, why do you scumread RCE over yessiree?

This post made way more sense in my head than it does now...
Adding on - I kind of said this indirectly but I'm taking us being on (pretty much) the same page to be a good sign.

I didn't even realize your list of people in 507 was the same as mine in 519 until now lol.

Re: RCE read - I don't think I'm quite seeing what you're seeing, but I don't disagree with it/think I can really refute it either if you get what I mean? They're a "meh" slot for me.

[Alianna]

Okay you guys had me going for a bit there. Don't think RCE gets two votes though.

I keep thinking about the Klazam wagon that formed after I suspected him and while I keep going at Alianna forgetting her read on him, I'm just gonna have to figure that's at least as likely to be town as scum. Probably because she had other stuff to deal with in the interim and she lost track of what was going on. A good bit of other stuff feels reasonably likely to be from town.

So I'm gonna VOTE: yessiree. Drew isn't quite feeling all that towny but I would still prefer this. It doesn't feel likely scum would avoid the chance to run up another townie there.

I didn't forget, I changed my mind.
Or is there something else I didn't realize I forgot about?

[Alianna]

Oh god, ELo. Please be trolling...

Spoiler:

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[Alianna]

Okay you guys had me going for a bit there. Don't think RCE gets two votes though.

I keep thinking about the Klazam wagon that formed after I suspected him and while I keep going at Alianna forgetting her read on him, I'm just gonna have to figure that's at least as likely to be town as scum. Probably because she had other stuff to deal with in the interim and she lost track of what was going on. A good bit of other stuff feels reasonably likely to be from town.

So I'm gonna VOTE: yessiree. Drew isn't quite feeling all that towny but I would still prefer this. It doesn't feel likely scum would avoid the chance to run up another townie there.

I didn't forget, I changed my mind.
Or is there something else I didn't realize I forgot about?

You did realize that Klazam had been at E-1, you commented on it back at the time as being towny for him to act that way. Then when I came in and brought it back up as being excessively chill, you said that could change things.

Ah, I see what you mean. My "that could change things" comment was specifically about 110, which for some reason I thought was posted at a different time and was treating as something totally separate from the E-1 reaction. I have no clue how I managed to make that mistake.

[Alianna]

It's possible, but I'm going to have a hard time seeing it if it's the case.

[Alianna]

GG everyone and thanks for modding!

Anyone may now talk in this thread.

48 hours to request redactions of PTs. (expired on 2023-10-02 02:13:12)

Thanks for playing! How was the Geriatricity?

I liked the "relaxed geriatric" restriction. I didn't really have to worry about it as I wouldn't normally post that much anyway, but it was nice not having to read a million new pages every time I check in.

[Alianna]

flavor

Now, without anyone left to oppose them, the Egg Smashers look at each other, and pull out their hammers, wide grins on their faces.

It is time to beat, whisk, and devil every last egg in this town.

And scramble.

[Alianna]

So I wasn't really scumreading Drew, but I paranoia-checked him N1 and got a "no action," it did nothing to assuage my paranoia but it felt wrong to sus the person I'd just cleared so I figured, "okay, I'll trust the yellow M&M for today." Never trusting him again though.
And then I accidentally faked a guilty on yessiree and realized a moment too late, so I tried to be somewhat obvious about the inno in case I died and he didn't and you all thought I had a guilty in ELo.
AND THEN I followed RCE and had to watch myself get scrambled and spiced and fed to the cats.

[Alianna]

At least I can say I checked the scumteam?

[Alianna]

Alianna one day. One day we will roll town together. No cats. No evil. It’ll be nice.

I have serious doubts that that's possible.

[Alianna]

So I wasn't really scumreading Drew, but I paranoia-checked him N1 and got a "no action," it did nothing to assuage my paranoia but it felt wrong to sus the person I'd just cleared so I figured, "okay, I'll trust the yellow M&M for today." Never trusting him again though.
And then I accidentally faked a guilty on yessiree and realized a moment too late, so I tried to be somewhat obvious about the inno in case I died and he didn't and you all thought I had a guilty in ELo.
AND THEN I followed RCE and had to watch myself get scrambled and spiced and fed to the cats.

I am surprised you didn't check RC out of paranoia before you did lol.

I considered it.

[Alianna]

dat 81 hour prod timer

Drew's been consistently making a lot of sense this game, I'm not used to this

Look what I found guys, Flower is warning you that something is wrong with Drew this game.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Guess who our N1 hero solve was

So I wasn't really scumreading Drew, but I paranoia-checked him N1 and got a "no action," it did nothing to assuage my paranoia but it felt wrong to sus the person I'd just cleared so I figured, "okay, I'll trust the yellow M&M for today." Never trusting him again though.
And then I accidentally faked a guilty on yessiree and realized a moment too late, so I tried to be somewhat obvious about the inno in case I died and he didn't and you all thought I had a guilty in ELo.
AND THEN I followed RCE and had to watch myself get scrambled and spiced and fed to the cats.

I am surprised you didn't check RC out of paranoia before you did lol.

I considered it.

You two should sign up for the new Boony Toonz game.

You can lead the policy lim of me D1!

Idk if I have it in me to do a large.
I'll think about it.

[Alianna]

Idk what it is but every game Alianna is in she is too townie to be town. It’s insane.

It seems to be either that or I get scumread for really superficial stuff.

Also my last post was a bread crumb to claim follower if I have to.

What was the crumb?

[Alianna]

VOTE: Aureal

I don’t think TBone being the primary option when there was a separate counterwagon to town in aureal is coincidence. Still on the TBone town train.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

I do feel better about Bone though, yes they could strongman, but that is one specific scenario for that to happen, and odds are they are not strongman.

It was very subtle, so much so I almost missed it just now lol.

Hinting that I know a strongman can't be in this setup since I am the follower.

Also, I will have to pay myself on the back a bit for thinking flower would JK me and not Bone

Follower/JK/Strongman is a possible setup though if you start at 4.