Open 882: Over-Easy Mafia [Flower Notes PT]

[Flower]

Table of Contents

1. Mech
   
2. Reads
   
3. Claims
   
4. Useful links
   
5. Todo

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Mech

We are

Town Jailkeeper

, setup is therefore:

1

Mafia Goon

5

Vanilla Townies

and

three

power roles

, which we will determine with the roll of a d12.
Outcomes are listed below.

1. Mafia Rolecop
   ,
   Town Follower
   , and
   Town Jailkeeper
   
   
2. Town Follower
   ,
   Town Jailkeeper
   , and
   Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
   
   
3. Town Jailkeeper
   ,
   Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
   , and
   Town Babysitter

Spoiler: Relevant Role PMs

town jailkeeper

Welcome to Open 882: Over Easy Mafia! You are part of the

Egg Keepers

.

Who put all these eggs on your front doorstep? Well, it doesn't matter. You should probably keep them safe, though.

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

. Use your voice and your vote to get rid of the Egg Smashers.
At night, you may send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target's night actions will not succeed, but they will be protected from kills.

The game thread is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

vanilla townie

Welcome to Open 882: Over Easy Mafia! You are part of the

Egg Keepers

.

Who put all these eggs on your front doorstep? Well, it doesn't matter. You should probably keep them safe, though.

You are a

Vanilla Townie

. Use your voice and your vote to get rid of the Egg Smashers. You have no other special abilities.

The game thread is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

town follower

Welcome to Open 882: Over Easy Mafia! You are part of the

Egg Keepers

.

Who put all these eggs on your front doorstep? Well, it doesn't matter. You should probably keep them safe, though.

You are a

Town Follower

. Use your voice and your vote to get rid of the Egg Smashers.
At night, you may send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn what kind of night action your target used the night you checked them. This can come in the form of {Investigating, Protection, Killing, No Action}.

The game thread is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

town babysitter

Welcome to Open 882: Over Easy Mafia! You are part of the

Egg Keepers

.

Who put all these eggs on your front doorstep? Well, it doesn't matter. You should probably keep them safe, though.

You are a

Town Babysitter

. Use your voice and your vote to get rid of the Egg Smashers.
At night, you may send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will be protected from kills. If you die, however, your target will die too.

The game thread is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

mafia goon

Welcome to Open 882: Over Easy Mafia! You are part of the

Egg Smashers

.

Who put all these eggs on your front doorstep? Disgraceful! You hate eggs! They should be smashed.

You are a

Mafia Goon

. Use your voice and your vote to deceive the Town. You also have a hideout where you can talk with your fellow Egg Smasher, {NAME GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE NAMES}, at any time, and decide who will do your team's nightkill.

The game thread is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Your scum PT is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

mafia rolecop

Welcome to Open 882: Over Easy Mafia! You are part of the

Egg Smashers

.

Who put all these eggs on your front doorstep? Disgraceful! You hate eggs! They should be smashed.

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

. Use your voice and your vote to deceive the Town. You also have a hideout where you can talk with your fellow Egg Smasher, {NAME GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE NAMES}, at any time, and decide who will do your team's nightkill.
At night, you may send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn the role (but not alignment) of that player.

The game thread is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Your scum PT is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

mafia 1-shot strongman

Welcome to Open 882: Over Easy Mafia! You are part of the

Egg Smashers

.

Who put all these eggs on your front doorstep? Disgraceful! You hate eggs! They should be smashed.

You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

. Use your voice and your vote to deceive the Town. You also have a hideout where you can talk with your fellow Egg Smasher, {NAME GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE NAMES}, at any time, and decide who will do your team's nightkill.
Once per game, if you're doing the nightkill, you may opt to make it Strongman, which prevents it from being stopped in any manner, be that roleblocks or protections.

The game thread is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Your scum PT is {URL GOES HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE A LINK}. Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

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Reads

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Claims

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Useful links

1. Main Thread
   
2. Setup

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Todo

[Flower]

Oh wait we don't have edit perms, prob shouldnt be doing our masterpost style that we normally do

[Flower]

Oh wait we don't have edit perms, prob shouldnt be doing our masterpost style that we normally do

Could just make a new one at every pagetop

[Flower]

Us rolling a protective role is -EV

[Flower]

Setups that PR's are worried about:

• Mafia Rolecop
  (33%):
  1. Town Vanilla Cop
     ,
     Town Tracker
     , and
     Mafia Rolecop
     
     
  2. Town Tracker
     ,
     Mafia Rolecop
     , and
     Town Follower
     
     
  3. Mafia Rolecop
     ,
     Town Follower
     , and
     Town Jailkeeper
• Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
  (66%):
  1. Town Follower
     ,
     Town Jailkeeper
     , and
     Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
     
     
  2. Town Jailkeeper
     ,
     Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
     , and
     Town Babysitter
     
     
  3. Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
     ,
     Town Babysitter
     , and
     Town Roleblocker
• Town Follower
  (66%):
  1. Town Tracker
     ,
     Mafia Rolecop
     , and
     Town Follower
     
     
  2. Mafia Rolecop
     ,
     Town Follower
     , and
     Town Jailkeeper
     
     
  3. Town Follower
     ,
     Town Jailkeeper
     , and
     Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
• Town Babysitter
  (33%):
  1. Town Jailkeeper
     ,
     Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
     , and
     Town Babysitter
     
     
  2. Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
     ,
     Town Babysitter
     , and
     Town Roleblocker
     
     
  3. Town Babysitter
     ,
     Town Roleblocker
     , and
     Mafia Rolecop

Conclusions:

• Town Follower
  assumes
  Town Jailkeeper
  and
  Mafia Rolecop
  are in play
  
• Town Babysitter
  assumes
  Town Roleblocker
  and
  Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
  are in play
  
• Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
  assumes
  Town Jailkeeper
  and
  Town Babysitter
  are in play
  
• Mafia Rolecop
  assumes
  Town Tracker
  and
  Town Follower
  are in play

[Flower]

Note to self: Town Follower is just a Tracker equivalent of a Rolecop

Also daystart when?

[Flower]

Ideas to post less:

1. Only make pagetops
   
2. Only check the game once a day
   
3. Multiquote
   
4. Draft a post and come back to it after 15 minutes to see if there's anything we want to add

[Flower]

VOTE: rce I like the pun but not the reasoning

Merlyn scum fr fr on god?

[Flower]

VOTE: Flower

Merlyn's actually scum, that's crazy

[Flower]

Hmm actually an OMGUS 1 minute after we voted there is pretty wack

Feels like town!Merlyn would poke at the naked vote into naked vote

[Flower]

Must... avoid... getting into dialogs with multiple people and blowing our posts

[Flower]

God the hardest part of this game will be the geriatric ruleset, thank god PT's aren't restricted

[Flower]

God the hardest part of this game will be the geriatric ruleset, thank god PT's aren't restricted

No fr I legitimately don't know how we're gonna deal with it

[Flower]

People not sheeping us makes me think we're right on Merlyn, we only get sheeped when we're wrong

[Flower]

Okay everyone has made three posts now. Calculating.

Calculating.

Calculating.

It's yessiree and Flower.

GG everyone.

VOTE: yessiree

I wish

[Flower]

Drew/yessiree town

T-Bone/Alianna/RCEnigma exist

Klazam/Merlyn/Save The Dragons scum

Actually not sure about Alianna, move her to inbetween existance and scum

T-Bone feels like the deepwolf partner, keep an eye on him

[Flower]

What the fuck how do we only have one more post than Save The Dragons

[Flower]

It's flawless I'm afraid, please join me. I have more data...Flower is the goon. So we should yessiree first.

Absolutely comical

[Flower]

Drew/yessiree town

T-Bone/Alianna/RCEnigma exist

Klazam/Merlyn/Save The Dragons scum

Actually not sure about Alianna, move her to inbetween existance and scum

T-Bone feels like the deepwolf partner, keep an eye on him

Merlyn/T-Bone dropping on the list, Klazam will probably get a pass from recency bias

[Flower]

Good evening to only Drew!

I could see there being bussin' somewhere in yes, klazam, flower.

Actually elaborate on this cause I can't see how you got to this position

-A

signing is hard smh

[Flower]

STD silently putting klazam at E-1 and it'd be really funny if someone hammered that

[Flower]

15 posts in the past 24 hours, stop posting so that we have a reserve for votes and insightful posts

[Flower]

T-Bone you coward do the funny

[Flower]

alley oop

Boom-shaka-laka!!

Throws down the page top!

If Klazam flips scum Drew might be his partner

[Flower]

Also smh making us waste valuable posts for nothing, I feel cheated

[Flower]

Good evening to only Drew!

I could see there being bussin' somewhere in yes, klazam, flower.

Actually elaborate on this cause I can't see how you got to this position

Just something in the interactions feels artificial to me. We'll see what happens

I don't see it, anyone else?

[Flower]

Is our Merlyn read Newbie 2111 or Mini Normal 2303 tier?

[Flower]

Wanna join me on yessiree? It's a proper scum wagon.

True but not in the way you intended it lol

[Flower]

Feels like there's one scum in T-Bone/Merlyn and that they're doing the kill, worthwhile JK?

[Flower]

VC

Klazam (3):

yessiree, Doctor Drew, Save The Dragons

Flower (3):

Merlyn, Klazam, T-Bone

Merlyn (2):

RCEnigma, Flower

T-Bone (1):

Save The Dragons

RCEnigma (1):

Alianna

Not Voting (0):

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to hit someone with the beam.
There are (expired on 2023-09-15 22:57:07) left in the deadline.

[Flower]

If we get run up do we fakeclaim or no?

If we have a Town Babysitter then they're worried about 1-shot Strongman and Rolecop so Tracker/Vanilla Cop are blatantly obvious fake claims to all PRs

If we have a Town Follower then they're worried about Rolecop and 1-Shot Strongman

wait nvm all that Rolecop is on 9 and 3 we can't fakeclaim without drawing a real cc, just claim Jailkeeper

[Flower]

Votes on us: Merlyn OMGUS, Klazam OMGUSish?, T-Bone idk

Not too worried about a hammer rn

[Flower]

Pre-flip Klazam is probably scum from how people are interacting with him

[Flower]

T-Bone/Klazam might actually be the team that's crazy

[Flower]

What's more messed up is that we can't actually vote for T-Bone right now without getting run up. Gonna let our posts come back and see how the game evolves

[Flower]

Ok but fr wtf is even T-Bones case?

[Flower]

VC

Klazam (3):

yessiree, Doctor Drew, Save The Dragons

Flower (3):

Merlyn, Klazam, T-Bone

Merlyn (2):

RCEnigma, Flower

RCEnigma (1):

Alianna

Not Voting (0):

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to hit someone with the beam.
There are (expired on 2023-09-15 22:57:07) left in the deadline.

Fixed VC

People that can vote us:

Drew, Alianna

People not voting us that tr us:

RCEnigma, yessiree, STD, Flower

[Flower]

3 posts before we start dipping into our reserves

IM NOT READY!

VOTE: Alianna

Chances are since I rolled town Ali rolled scum. I hope not, but hope doesn’t scramble these eggs.

VOTE: rce I like the pun but not the reasoning

I don't see this as RVS, felt like a real vote to us. Hate the reasoning there but but then she goes from switched on enough to scumhunt to OMGUSing at

VOTE: RCEnigma

VOTE: Merlyn

VOTE: Flower

instead of doing anything with it? Like feels like the kind of thing you'd at least ask a question about?

I don't have any questions about anything you've posted. Both votes were real.

Crazy how Merlyn is still scum

[Flower]

i don't think flower is scum

y

I like flowers posting

I don't think they do some of their posting as scum

Flowers(well technically more Python) is someone I am starting to townbin until they show scum to me, finally have some scum experience with them so at least have something to work with(yes I know you were traitor, but you were being obv scum the last day lol)

"You were obvscum when I mechanically knew you were SK (Ignore the sk!infinity paranoia)" lol

[Flower]

there's not enough support to force a Flower lim through given that RCE/yessiree/STD/Drew all townread us

okay, little group! What are you seeing in Flower that I'm not?

Me when I

when I do scums job for them

fr tho we probably should have just said the posting feels better and left it at that lol

[Flower]

What constitutes a nothing slot? Besides not having clashed head to head with somebody?

This is not someone seeing crumbs, +town

[Flower]

flower/python I'm good with town binning too since they haven't tried to take over the town yet, but maybe that's an artifact of the geriatric ruleset (?)

We can't run the town with only 20 posts a day

[Flower]

But maybe that makes klazam my partner actually… or that person could have been klazams partner.

speaking of perspective slips- why didn't you list the options where klazam turns out town?

Merlyn reading comprehension challenge (99% impossible)

[Flower]

Merlyn scumposting again

[Flower]

It's actually funny because I had thought that yessiree had dropped the PT tell on page 1 post 23 when he made a nonsequiter reference to Klaz's scum games or lack thereof. But the way Flower responds to yessiree and to everyone else they respond to upon their entrance is so different and also says "i have a PT" and it says to me "I have a PT with yessiree". Compare Flower's 25 a response to STD and their entrance, to 27 a response to yessiree. Then in 34 to Merlyn and again in 38 to STD. One of these things is not like the other. There is some get-to-know-you energy in Flower's responses to STD and Merlyn vs I-know-everything-about-you in response to yessiree. No, I'm not referencing to overall familiarity from other games. There is always this feeling out period that players need to do at the start of the game to see where they stand. Flower did not feel out yessiree at all like they did other players. That tells me they did it in their PT already. Flower goes on to feel out Klaz because they are meeting for the first time in this game on page 3. Then when Flower addresses yessiree again in 68 that's gone once again.

There's no sense in me quoting out of context so I will link to where I think it begins and you should read with my comments in mind.

viewtopic.php?p=13902327#p13902327

this seems wild

As a fellow moon thinker I like where TBone is coming from. However not to speak for yessiree but I think it’s common to make a snap judgement on players one way or the other. Which is going to shade how you interact with them, or don’t even.

This feels like giga TMI, who's RCEs partner in that world?

[Flower]

We have too many scumreads, go sort out a tier list in the morning

[Flower]

I don’t.

Days gonna end in a Merlyn compromise lim then? Lame

[Flower]

yes dropping in townieness, go sheep Alianna instead

[Flower]

Scum say that as a way to set up their Day 2 where they blame the player that got mislimmed for being scummy and then go back to flipping those with strong partner energy anyway.

I suppose bad town say that sometimes but I'll give Flower a little more credit.

Crazy that T-Bone rolled scum, simply unbelievable

[Flower]

I will hero solve D3 don't worry

Watch out, you're now the n2 nk

If we live that long it might actually be a good idea to protect STD lol

[Flower]

Aureal solve the game for us

What

Didn't T-Bone already do that? Is this a trick?

T-Bone, tell me whether you think this is a trick in the mason PT that we conjured up through sheer force of will. Because I wanna say RCE/ Klazam but it would be rude to step on your toes when you've already solved.

Anyway I am geriatric so I need to take my meds and maybe even try to read past page five. Maybe I'll even not go to sleep trying this time!

VOTE: Klazam

Crazy that Aureal is giving Scone a pass

[Flower]

I feel like if Klazam flips town we pretty much have to reassess all our reads since Aureal and T-Bone are both posting better

[Flower]

it feels bad to yeet the 'newbie' on day one.

That's how they get ya

[Flower]

It's pretty funny how every single person with experience with us (outside of Aureal) is townreading us and every single person without experience with us is scumreading us

...guess our playstyle is like a mold

[Flower]

We aim for a null slot like STD/RCEnigma and hope maf has a rolecop I think

[Flower]

We aim for a null slot like STD/RCEnigma and hope maf has a rolecop I think

Add yesiree to that list

[Flower]

Here's a thought: Since we're outed Jailkeeper scum are shooting us. There's a 66% chance of there being a 1-shot Strongman that will ignore the Jailkeep. Chance of blocking scum is therefore 1/7 * 1/3 = 1/21

There's a 66% chance of there being a Town Follower that will lose information from a roleblock. Chance of blocking the follower is therefore 1/7 * 2/3 = 2/21

TODO: Figure out what the chances of a follower getting a guilty are and if it's higher EV to risk blocking the follower over trying to hit scum

[Flower]

Ok srs math time

Mafia Rolecop

,

Town Follower

, and

Town Jailkeeper

:
1/7 chance of blocking the kill, 1/7 chance of blocking the Rolecop, Follower has a 1/6 chance of a red check if rolecop does the kill, 2/6 chance of a red check if goon does the kill, 1/7 chance of being blocked

In the rolecop killer case:
13/42 chance of a red check if we jailkeep, 7/42 chance of a red check if we don't jailkeep

In the goon killer case:
14/42 chance of a red check if we jailkeep, 14/42 chance of a red check if we don't jailkeep

Town Follower

,

Town Jailkeeper

, and

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

:
No possibility of blocking the kill, Follower has a 1/6 chance of a red check, 1/7 chance of being blocked

6/42 chance of a red check if we jailkeep, 7/42 chance of a red check if we don't jailkeep

Town Jailkeeper

,

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

, and

Town Babysitter

:
Blocking the babysitter doesnt matter because we get shot

Yeah we should be jailkeeping here, guess we should actually read the game again

[Flower]

It’s my only tangible scumread right now so.

Std could also be scum but only by lack of content and that’s not stronger for me than some content that I find scummy.

Lol Im not impressed by your scumhunting skills yes. It'll be interesting to come back to the assertion that posting song lyrics is more honest and see what alignments the three of us are.

In any case I've pointed out what I wanted to point out, you can all make your choices

I am not used to this aggressive Merlyn, also seems like a bit of a misrep for why rc was voting you over std.

shrug

VC 1.04

T-Bone (4) :

Flower, Doctor Drew, Alianna, Save The Dragons

Merlyn (3):

RCEnigma, yessiree, Klazam

Flower (2):

T-Bone, Merlyn

Not Voting (0):

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to hit someone with the beam.

T-Bone is at E-1.

There are (expired on 2023-09-15 22:57:07) left in the deadline.

Merlyn has requested replacement.

Remember this game is Geriatric. You have 20 posts per 24 hours before you start draining your coffers.

I don't think the Merlyn/Aureal slot is scum unless we're going for the T-Bone/Merlyn solve which seems wacko mode (Authors note: Should have just gone for the T-Bone/Merlyn solve)

[Flower]

UNVOTE: reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I don’t wanna make an alignment gut call. Buuuut I will give a replacement a chance without the threat of dying on rep in.

Do not like

Is it just me or does this feel like Aureal try harding a bit? Like repp into a scum read slot and just come out throwing punches.

Town tend to give slots like that a long rope, when maybe they shouldn't.

Maybe I am just not picking up what she is putting down.

What's our public stance on Drew I feel like hero solving there

[Flower]

Public townreads: Drew/Alianna/yessiree

[Flower]

I wanna go read a scum!Drew game and see how he plays

[Flower]

God Drew seems incapable of rolling scum this is crazy

[Flower]

Ok I'm surprisingly ok with a Drew hero solve

[Flower]

We do a little dying it's called we do a little dying