Mini Theme 2312: MOD THREAD

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OH GOD WHAT IS THIS MOD THREAD??????

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1. HighPrincessErinys
2. Infinity324
3. atsi
4. Hu Tao
5. PiggyGal15
6. Vanderscamp
7. AniX
8. Random Nurse


Right now i need to write rules and write setup. Then roll for roles. Then randomise them for slots. Aha

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What setup will be?

Randomed now:

Townsfolk (Oracle)
Townsfolk (Savant)
Townsfolk (Snake Charmer)
Townsfolk (Mathematician)
Townsfolk (Artist)
Outsider (Klutz)
Minion (Evil Twin)
Demon (Vortox)

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Now randoming list:

Spoiler: List

1. Outsider (Klutz)
2. Townsfolk (Oracle)
3. Townsfolk (Mathematician)
4. Townsfolk (Savant)
5. Demon (Vortox)
6. Minion (Evil Twin)
7. Townsfolk (Snake Charmer)
8. Townsfolk (Artist)

Therefore:

1. HighPrincessErinys - Klutz
2. Infinity324 - Oracle
3. atsi - Mathematician
4. Hu Tao - Savant
5. PiggyGal15 - Vortox
6. Vanderscamp - Evil Twin
7. AniX - Snake Charmer
8. Random Nurse - Artist

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Evil Twin are Twin with Oracle.

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That setup is probably townsided as hell.

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Making PTs now.

PS.

I think i should add links on all hoods.

HighPrincessErinys/Random Nurse
HighPrincessErinys/Infinity 324
Infinity 324/atsi
atsi/Hu Tao
Hu Tao/PiggyGal15
PiggyGal15/Vanderscamp
Vanderscamp/AniX
AniX/Random Nurse

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Role PMs:

Klutz

Welcome,

HighPrincessErinys

!

You are a

Klutz

When you learn you are dead, you must announce that you are Klutz and then publically pick other player via

I pick: NAME

. If they are Evil, your team lose. You will have time for discussion (but must be done in 4 days, otherwise it will count as Team Loss)

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Oracle

Welcome,

Infinity324

!

You are a

Oracle

Each night, except first, learn how many dead players are evil.
You are informed that

Vanderscamp

are your Twin, their role are

Evil Twin

.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mathematician

Welcome,

atsi

!

You are a

Mathematician

Each night, learn number of players which abilities worked abnormally due another role ability.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Savant

Welcome,

Hu Tao

!

You are a

Savant

Each day, you may privately ask moderator for knowledge to learn two things in private: 1 is True and 1 is False.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Vortox

Welcome,

PiggyGal15

!

You are a

Vortox

Each night except first, must choose a player. They will die. Townsfolk abilities yield false info. Each day, if no one is executed, Evil wins.

Your minion are:

Vanderscamp

.
You learn that

Town Crier

,

Juggler

and

Clockmaker

roles are not in game and are free to claim.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Evil Twin

Welcome,

Vanderscamp

!

You are a

Evil Twin

You and player of other alignment are Twins and learn roles of each other. If Good Aligned Twin Executed, Evil Wins. As long as you both alive, Good can't win.
You are informed that Infinity324 are your Twin, their role are

Oracle

.

PiggyGal15

is your Demon.

You win when there's only 2 players alive.

The game thread is Here
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Snake Charmer

Welcome,

AniX

!

You are a

Snake Charmer

Each night, choose living player. If it's Demon, swap your alignment and role with them, poisoning them. This ability cancels if target die this night.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Artist

Welcome,

Random Nurse

!

You are a

Artist

Once per game, at day, privately ask moderator any question. You will receive Yes/No/I don't know answer. If question can't be answered in this way, moderator will ask to reformulate question.

You win when there's no Demon alive.

The game thread is Here.
You have two hoods with your neighbours on Playerlist: Here and Here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

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AND FINALLY I CAN SEND THEM

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Night 1.

1. HighPrincessErinys - Klutz - No Action.
2. Infinity324 - Oracle - Learns Nothing as it's Night 1.
3. atsi - Mathematician - Should learn that 1 abilities malfunction. But due Vortox, it lies to 0.
4. Hu Tao - Savant - It's Day ability.
5. PiggyGal15 - Vortox - ALL TOWNSFOLK RECEIVE FALSE INFO. No Action.
6. Vanderscamp - Evil Twin - Does Nothing
7. AniX - Snake Charmer - Does Nothing
8. Random Nurse - Artist - It's Day ability


Explaination:
Only mod influence (yes it's bastard game exactly due that) this night is me picking result which Mathematician will receive. Truth is "1" because it's Mathematician self. So therefore result are 1.

But i cannot say "1" either because it will obviously reveal Vortox.
So i say 0.


I need to think carefully about what tips i should give to savant tho.

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So is this thread just going to devolve into us talking about Genshin the whole time?

THEY DEFILE MY HOODS.

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AniX incorrect.

While Demon and Minion sit with each other, i used playerlist granted me by mood to generate hood and generated roles on random.

... I did forget to modify role PMs to exclude knowledge about other minions. Ah

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I ruled that 8-9 player setup should't contain communication between evil in terms of PT.

On 10+ they do. But we barely got 8 huh.

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Evil Twin decided to not claim first.

Infinity 324 didn't claim Evil Twin existance either.


???

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Morale of story.

READ YOUR ROLE PM AND ABILITIES FULLY.

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... Honestly i don't even know maybe it's some giga plan from infinity.

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I am still thinking what information i will give to Savant.

1. It must be Lie-Lie. Vortox makes it like that.
2. It must be helpful. I don't want to devalue role.
3. It most be NOT too helpful that it will solve game instantly.
4. I want to make it simple so Savant won't be confirmed by "wow these suggestions blatantly Enchant generated"

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Votecount 1.00

Official Vote Count 1.00

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes or more to Execute player.

So far, no one nominated. To nominate use

NOMINATE: PLAYER

or simple vote for player to nominate and vote against them automatically.

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-09-23 11:26:09).

Mod notes:

A

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Day 1

1. HighPrincessErinys - Klutz - No Action.

2. Infinity324 - Oracle - Nothing
3. atsi - Mathematician - Nothing.
4. Hu Tao - Savant - 1. AniX are Poisoned. 2. There's Mutant in the Play.

They probably reverce engineer it in thinking that there's Mutant (and if Klutz claims, therefore there's Fang Gu) which can't be disapproved too fast.
Bet it will start shitstorm. Or will be proven as Vortex issue fast. Depends.

5. PiggyGal15 - Vortox - ALL TOWNSFOLK RECEIVE FALSE INFO. No Action.

6. Vanderscamp - Evil Twin - Does Nothing

7. AniX - Snake Charmer - Nothing

8. Random Nurse - Artist - Asked "If AniX works for forces of Evil" and received answer "Yes" due Vortox

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Oh duh.

I almost never make mechanical mistakes in resolving actions but i make so simple mistakes it's not funny.

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Artist asked questions "Is Anix playing for Evil".

I assumed it's question about AniX alignment and answered "Yes" because Vortox.

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Rechecking actions to see mod errors.

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None.

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Most actions indeed are compulsive in original.

Snake Charmer needs to choose someone (even if self), Dreamer must investigate and etc.
I decided to forego this one (before game start in fact), because it just makes game complex for no value, so it's not oversight. If you notice, Demon role PMs reads "You MUST". Only Demons forced to attack and there's reason for that.

I failed to find value of this rule, there's no roles which benefit from no-action and Snake Charmer can target self anyway if they don't want to risk.
Only reason it exist are for Minions to forcible act or target self/teammates to hide this fact. Which is kinda meh. If you don't want to use ability. You just don't.

Of course maybe i am missing something but so far i didn't miss this rule.

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Snake Charmer. Weird role is it?

If you pick not demon, you know they are not or fact you are Poisoned/Drunk. It even trumps Vortox ability (because while Snake Charmer is townsfolk, their ability is not info gaining in direct sense). So it helps your chances to win if you stay town.
But if you pick demon, you will turn in evil demon. Previous demon will turn good and will just spill all knowledge about minions and actions. Or worse, won't and continue to aim minions but now for cause of good.

Main teaching of this role is Greed. The more knowledge you seek, the more likely it will screw you over and put at disadvantage.
Btw Philosophers are known to turn in Snake Charmers and then swap with demon, framing real Snake Charmer as "Now Demon" and i find it's hilarious.

So AniX calling execution on self is pretty reasonable. Even if there's no Philosopher (and there's none), Demon will just say "I am now Good, Snake Charmer turned in Demon!" even if it's not truth.
And fight commence. Well it's still hilarious, because minions won't know if their demon bullshiting or really swapped.

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Juggler is not in game. But hey.

Sadly you cannot pick same player, atleast in original. You need to pick up to 5 different players and guess their roles.

I was wrong prob.
I gived it a bit more utility (there's no mention that players must be different), but i don't think i liked that much as i expected before.

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Night 2.

1. HighPrincessErinys - Klutz - Dies and must pick someone next day.
2. Infinity324 - Oracle - Learns 1. Because 0 would be truth.
3. atsi - Mathematician - Learns 1. Because 2 would be truth (Mathematician and Oracle)
4. Hu Tao - Savant - It's Day ability.
5. PiggyGal15 - Vortox - ALL TOWNSFOLK RECEIVE FALSE INFO. Attacks HighPrincessErinys.
6. Vanderscamp - Evil Twin - Does Nothing

7. AniX - Snake Charmer - DEAD AND CAN'T ACT.

8. Random Nurse - Artist - WASTED.



just be warned: Mathematician doesn't work in the way like he works in original. In my game his ability detects interference with his own ability (which techically just screws up with Vortox)
Just in case you will play with friends or something.

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this one had a possibly premonitory dream about dying in this game tonight and it'd appreciate if that was false

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Savant received these:

1. Everyone read their Role PM correctly.
2. Demon are Vigormortis.


"WDM ENCHANT THIS IS BLATANT GOOD HELP"


Not really. First gives information which already should be revealed and fuels fight among Evil Twins.

Second gives tip that Vigormortis is Demon but which will be revealed as lie very quickly sadly.

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Klutz picked Random Nurse and Nurse aligned with Town.


You probably noticed that "KLUTZ PICK:" is not needed message but letter eating is not my type so it was fine for me, as long as it's clear Klutz target pick.

By the way why i writed "Acknowlidged" publically? Because evil could pose as Klutz and storyteller may and probably must to react on all proposals genuinely. For example if any other player (expect the Klutz) writed "KLUTZ PICK:" i would't correct it either and simple say that i "Acknowlidged". Most often it's seen with "Slayer" role which don't exist in this game, but naturally evil players pretend as Slayer and "Slay" players. And mod expected to play along and say that nothing happens. Dying minion also would want to claim Klutz.

I cannot simple ignore message (because questions will arise like "hey mod did you see that") and that's why i acknowlidged it publically and not in private of Klutz, so everyone know that game continues.


Blood on the clocktower sounds easy on design, but there's many many MANY "little" details to remember which makes it complex (and i will be honest i am not expert at them). For example, did you know that if Good Twin for some reason turns evil, Evil Twin will receive another Good Twin to mirror? Because Evil Twin MUST mirror opposite player. Yep.

I probably should had writed longer rules with all details but... Wait why i didn't do that? Probably because these kind of details inflate rule set. Take note everyone who plan to run it again (if any brave souls sign up on this insanity again).

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I wonder how game turns.

If Savant outs result then naturally everyone realise what's happening and Vander will die... Unless they will believe that Savant is evil and trying to vote Evil Twin.


Oh. Well if i am writing about it.

Vortox. Basically "Fuck you" on everyone around. But it's not really scary as it sounds, after you realised Vortox game, it's trivial to counter.
Another ability is fact that if no one executed then Evil wins. But it's rarely ever happens. Why?

Because rules won't forbid nominating and executing dead players and it counts as Execution and it's intended game design, not because i wanted though.
Reason why this ability exist at all is Oracle, Town Crier and Flowergirl. If there's no nomination and execution D1, naturally Town Crier and Flowergirl instantly realise that Vortox in the game and demon basically only has ability to kill.

But town forced to execute atleast D1 to prevent evil win. I personally think that it should be execution on living player, so Vortox turns even more bullshit dangerous but maybe i am too sadistic eh?

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Wait SINCE DAWN?

Oh well i guess i fucked up... Let me recount.

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So truth answer of Mathematician would be 4 N2, because i didn't count Savant and Artist actions.

All results given to players are correct, but oh jeez.


This game complex as fuck.

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I am surprised but someone asked to create Spectator PT

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That's why you DON'T make Mathematician count self in original BOTC unless you prepared but you really need to choose between confusing players or have more utility in Vortox game allowing to give "plausable" zero in Vortox game.

Me? I just suck at wording, otherwise i make Mathematician work normally. I can't really change it after game.

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Town need to pile up on someone or they lose.

They also lose if Vander selfvotes and Piggy also votes Vander, to tie a vote before deadline. But likelyhood they will try to do that?

... oh yes i remind that's one reason why evil can't talk with each other.

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Day 2.

1. HighPrincessErinys - Klutz - Picked Random Nurse. Random Nurse is Good. Nothing happens.
2. Infinity324 - Oracle - Nothing.
3. atsi - Mathematician - Nothing.
4. Hu Tao - Savant
1. Everyone read their Role PM correctly.
2. Demon are Vigormortis.

Yes, it's basically scream.

5. PiggyGal15 - Vortox - ALL TOWNSFOLK RECEIVE FALSE INFO. Attacks HighPrincessErinys.
6. Vanderscamp - Evil Twin - Does Nothing
7. AniX - Snake Charmer - DEAD AND CAN'T ACT.
8. Random Nurse - Artist - WASTED.

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Night 3

1. HighPrincessErinys - Klutz - DEAD AND CAN'T ACT
2. Infinity324 - Oracle - Learns 1. There's no Vortox anymore...
3. atsi - Mathematician - Learns 1 due Savant still receiving bogus previous day.
4. Hu Tao - Savant - Nothing
5. PiggyGal15 - Vortox - DEAD AND CAN'T ACT
6. Vanderscamp - Evil Twin - Does Nothing
7. AniX - Snake Charmer - DEAD AND CAN'T ACT.
8. Random Nurse - Artist - WASTED.

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Damnation awaits!

You can lower your guard now. All evil beings are executed.
... Probably.
We still didnt' figure if you executed right twin.

Don't worry, you will learn answer.
Sadly, not soon enough to prevent tragedy.

Good Twin are Executed. Evil team (PiggyGal15, Vanderscamp) win the game!

Roles and Actions:

Spoiler: N1

1. HighPrincessErinys. Klutz.

Nothing.

2. Infinity 324. Oracle. Good Twin.

Nothing.

3. atsi. Mathematician.

Learns 0 (LIE). Truth is 1 (Mathematician).

4. Hu Tao. Savant.

Nothing.

5. PiggyGal15. Vortox.

Can't act. Townsfolk can't get truth information.

6. Vanderscamp. Evil Twin of Infinity 324 (Oracle).

Can't act.

7. AniX. Snake Charmer.

Nothing.

8. Random Nurse. Artist.

Can't act.

Spoiler: D1

1. HighPrincessErinys. Klutz.

Nothing.

2. Infinity 324. Oracle. Good Twin.

Nothing.

3. atsi. Mathematician.

Nothing.

4. Hu Tao. Savant.

Learns these: 1. AniX poisoned (LIE)(AniX not poisoned). 2. There's Mutant in the play (LIE) (Mutant are not in play).

5. PiggyGal15. Vortox.

Nothing. Townsfolk can't get truth information.

6. Vanderscamp. Evil Twin of Infinity 324 (Oracle).

Can't act.

7. AniX. Snake Charmer.

Nothing. Executed and died.

8. Random Nurse. Artist.

Asks: Is Anix playing for Evil? Assumed like question about alignment. Answer: Yes (LIE). Truth is No.

Spoiler: N2

1. HighPrincessErinys. Klutz.

Nothing. Died from Demon attack.

2. Infinity 324. Oracle. Good Twin.

Learns 1 (LIE). Truth is 0.

3. atsi. Mathematician.

Learns 1 (LIE). Truth is 4 (Artist, Savant, Mathematician, Oracle).

4. Hu Tao. Savant.

Nothing.

5. PiggyGal15. Vortox.

Attacks HighPrincessErinys (Klutz). Townsfolk can't get truth information.

6. Vanderscamp. Evil Twin of Infinity 324 (Oracle).

Can't act.

7. AniX. Snake Charmer.

DEAD

8. Random Nurse. Artist.

WASTED ABILITY

Spoiler: D2

1. HighPrincessErinys. Klutz.

DEAD. Picks Random Nurse. Random Nurse is Good! Nothing happens.

2. Infinity 324. Oracle. Good Twin.

Nothing.

3. atsi. Mathematician.

Nothing.

4. Hu Tao. Savant.

Learns these: 1. Everyone read their Role PM correctly (LIE)(Infinity 324 didn't read Role PM correctly). 2. Demon are Vigormortis (LIE)(Vigomortis are not in play).

5. PiggyGal15. Vortox.

Nothing. Townsfolk can't get truth information. Executed and dies.

6. Vanderscamp. Evil Twin of Infinity 324 (Oracle).

Can't act.

7. AniX. Snake Charmer.

DEAD

8. Random Nurse. Artist.

WASTED ABILITY

Spoiler: N3

1. HighPrincessErinys. Klutz.

DEAD

2. Infinity 324. Oracle. Good Twin.

Learns 1.

3. atsi. Mathematician.

Learns 1 (Savant).

4. Hu Tao. Savant.

Nothing.

5. PiggyGal15. Vortox.

DEAD

6. Vanderscamp. Evil Twin of Infinity 324 (Oracle).

Can't act.

7. AniX. Snake Charmer.

DEAD

8. Random Nurse. Artist.

WASTED ABILITY

Spoiler: D3

1. HighPrincessErinys. Klutz.

DEAD.

2. Infinity 324. Oracle. Good Twin.

Nothing. Executed and Died. Evil Wincondition triggers.

3. atsi. Mathematician.

Nothing.

4. Hu Tao. Savant.

Learns these: 1. There's 4 Townsfolk alive (TRUTH). 2. Atsi and Random Nurse are not aligned(LIE)(Atsi and Random Nurse has same alignment).

5. PiggyGal15. Vortox.

DEAD

6. Vanderscamp. Evil Twin of Infinity 324 (Oracle).

Can't act.

7. AniX. Snake Charmer.

DEAD

8. Random Nurse. Artist.

WASTED ABILITY