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[Random Nurse]

So is it technically Day phase or Night phase?

We can talk in-thread during the Night?

[Random Nurse]

Thank you.

[Random Nurse]

What does it mean by the Demon learns 3 Townsfolk which are not in the game?

[Random Nurse]

Interesting: no flips upon death.

Also, do the Minion and the Demon know each other?

[Random Nurse]

From the way the PM examples are set-up, it doesn't look like Minions and Demon can talk privately unless they're beside each other on the list?

Yeah. Which makes me think at least the Demon

and one Minion

are next to each other, because Demon not being able to talk privately AT ALL to the minions is 1. A HUGE departure from base game that I don't think Enchant necessarily would want to make 2. Puts the Demon and Minion at a serious disadvantage.

But there' only ONE demon and ONE minion, right?

[Random Nurse]

I don't think I understand the Vote vs Nominate function.

Can't I just VOTE: Player like usual?

[Random Nurse]

i read and still have no idea what people are talking about

what does nominating do

Ok, everyone has the ability to nominate ONE person and ONLY ONE person a day, which allows the person to be voted for. So nominating is using up your one "this person can be voted for" for the day. Now, usually this is no problem, because the person you want to nominate and vote for is also the person you want dead. But if you change your mind (or your choice doesn't gain traction), you'll need to rely on other people's nominations to get an elimination for the day.

That is very confusing.

So I can't just vote and then change my vote during the same Day?

[Random Nurse]

What does it mean by the Demon learns 3 Townsfolk which are not in the game?

Interesting: no flips upon death.

Also, do the Minion and the Demon know each other?

this leans town imo

scum you better start faking townslips

What do you mean?

[Random Nurse]

Everyone, let's take our time this Day, please.

[Random Nurse]

Hu Tao, who are you willing and NOT willing to vote right now, gun to your head?

[Random Nurse]

Anix, why are you working for the forces of evil?

[Random Nurse]

High Princess, who are you willing and NOT willing to eliminate Day 1?

[Random Nurse]

*sits down and just waits*

[Random Nurse]

Anix, I see that you have taken no stances in this game so far.

Who do you read as Scum or Town currently?

[Random Nurse]

oh so the pit hag minion still dies but keeps the ability? wild

if the vortox results are random (which is what i thought you were saying) then you still just get to disable town investigatives which is useful

Only investigatives whose ability can have more than one result. But sometimes like the Flowergirl/Town Crier/Seamstress would only be disabled until they figure out there is a Vortox, because they get binary results and the results under a Vortox are always wrong. So once they know there is a Vortox, they know the correct answer is the inverse of whatever answer they've been getting (ie. once a seamstress learns there is a vortox, they can go back and see that every result they got where two players DIDN'T share an alignment is now confirmed as those players actually sharing an alignment, since the only false answer to "yes, they share an alignment" is "no, they don't share an alignment.")

Wait, weren't you just saying that it would be random results? Or were you only talking about poison/drunk mechanic?

None of the results are random in the sense that they're randomly generated, but poison/drunk info can be whatever the mod chooses, and vortox info can be whatever the mod chooses as long as it's false.

Doesn't it seem highly unlikely that a player could get poisoned or drunk, though?

[Random Nurse]

Really. Where is everyone?

[Random Nurse]

Really. Where is everyone?

Talking with their neighbours maybe?

Hey. HEY.

What're your reads, dude.

[Random Nurse]

OK, so I'm not really getting the results I wanted from my questions, so I'll end this charade right now. It's highly unlikely that I am either Drunk or Poisoned, so I'm calling it now.

I used my Artist ability at Day start and asked Enchant if Anix is working for the forces of Evil (I had to be very specific with my wording). To this Enchant replied "Yes." Therefore, unless the mod is lying to me or the tiny chance I'm Drunk or Poisoned, Anix is either the Minion or the Demon.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Anix

[Random Nurse]

OK, so I'm not really getting the results I wanted from my questions, so I'll end this charade right now. It's highly unlikely that I am either Drunk or Poisoned, so I'm calling it now.

I used my Artist ability at Day start and asked Enchant if Anix is working for the forces of Evil (I had to be very specific with my wording). To this Enchant replied "Yes." Therefore, unless the mod is lying to me or the tiny chance I'm Drunk or Poisoned, Anix is either the Minion or the Demon.

Ok, this is great!
This is fine to open claim.

Why did you choose Anix to ask about (specifically with him being your neighbor), given that one of the main ways your info is wrong is if you're sitting next to a no dashi?

I did not look at what a No Dashi is. I did open all the role PM spoiler lists and searched "drunk" and "poison" and only saw few options that could have possibly affected the result I'd get from using Artist.

I chose Anix because he's an experienced player and, if I can get a Guilty on him I'd rather take that opportunity.

[Random Nurse]

If I were Scum I wouldn't be making a fake guilty claim on another player Day 1 unprovoked. Exactly where is the benefit?

[Random Nurse]

My biggest scum read was on Nurse

[Random Nurse]

We need one more vote on Anix.

[Random Nurse]

Do we have anyone that can flip him to confirm he's working for Evil?

[Random Nurse]

Do we have anyone that can flip him to confirm he's working for Evil?

Oracle, kind of, but there's no real way to fully confirm it.

Do you believe he's evil?

Have you even been reading my posts, Scum?

What did I SAY?

[Random Nurse]

If you were reading my posts you'd know I'm the Artist that got a guilty on Anix.

[Random Nurse]

If you were reading my posts you'd know I'm the Artist that got a guilty on Anix.

I understand that, you saying that probably means that you're not reading mine.

I believe he is. As stated before it's highly unlikely I was targeted Night 1 to be Drunk or Poisoned.

[Random Nurse]

Votecount

Infinity 324 nominated Vanderscamp.

Official Vote Count 1.03

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes or more to Execute player.

AniX (5): Random Nurse, AniX, atsi, HighPrincessErinys, Hu Tao

Vanderscamp (0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-09-23 11:36:10).

Mod notes:

If you wish to end day phase early, remember that you need to vote for end of day.

Is this hammer or not?

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: End the Day

Also, what are we doing with this nomination business and those PRs?

[Random Nurse]

I will be V/LA until next Tuesday, 9-26-23. I have two major exams to be completed back to back on Monday 9-25-23 and I

need

to study.

[Random Nurse]

Who's holding up the show on End of Day movement?

[Random Nurse]

So if anything happens we'll find out at the start of Day 2?

And just to make sure, Scum still has a NK for Night 2?

[Random Nurse]

It's just different.

So wait, dead players can still post and we won't know their flips unless an ability happens?

[Random Nurse]

I've never played in a game where the dead can still talk, so this is mighty confusing.

Also, I'm basically confTown Artist who punched Scum's ticket.

Are there any other Cop-like abilities that can check for the remaining Scum?

I reckon Anix will be against yeeting his partner, so we'll have to see where he moves this game. Also, can the dead still vote?

[Random Nurse]

Uh huh. So you're claiming I lied as the Artist or that I was somehow made Drunk or Poisoned, and you're saying Anix wasn't working for the forces of Evil?

I highly doubt that. You're either the Minion or the Demon.

VOTE: Vanderscamp

[Random Nurse]

Otherwise you're asserting the game mod lied to me, and I highly doubt that's the case.

[Random Nurse]

Uh huh. So you're claiming I lied as the Artist or that I was somehow made Drunk or Poisoned, and you're saying Anix wasn't working for the forces of Evil?

I highly doubt that. You're either the Minion or the Demon.

VOTE: Vanderscamp

They just said they think there's a Vortox.

He's basically saying that I lied about using my Artist ability on Anix (getting a guilty on Anix) and saying that "oh, both Scum still exist," so either he's saying my result was compromised by the Poison/Drunk ability or he's implying I lied, which I do NOT.

[Random Nurse]

OK, so with Klutz they'll be able to tell that I'm Town?

Then yeah please target me HPE.

[Random Nurse]

OK so Vortox is a BS role.

And so since Night 1 there wasn't a kill it likely means there's a Vortox?

[Random Nurse]

So does the game mod confirm it in the thread?

So is it like an IC?

[Random Nurse]

I didn't realize the Hood locked down after the other player died, even though they can still post here.

[Random Nurse]

So does the game mod confirm it in the thread?

So is it like an IC?

You won't technically be IC, because Enchant won't say something like "Nurse is town so the game continues," the message is just going to be something like "the game continues" and we won't know why.
It could be that HPE is lying about being the klutz, HPE is actually the klutz but is also drunk/poisoned, or the most obvious scenario.

But I don't think anything other than HPE being klutz and you being good is mechanically possible at this point even before Enchant confirms it, barring the scenarios where a good is playing against their wincon.

But if HPE is Klutz but Drunk/Poisoned and targets me (Town) that wouldn't result in the Town/Outsider faction losing, right?

[Random Nurse]

Nice so we have a confirmed town in RN. Hopefully this game becomes more clear. I'll post more in thr morning

I know I'm Town, but as VS mentioned if there's interference it could mess with the actual result?

[Random Nurse]

This game is giving me a headache.

(No offense Enchant)

[Random Nurse]

Something in my gut tells me my Artist ability on Anix was correct.

It feels like was just, like, barely any reaction from Anix in response to my result.

Perhaps I am biased, but wouldn't a Town/Outsider fight back like Hell against a false/manipulated claim?

This game is all sorts of confusions, the dead are talking, and I still have NO flips so NO actual information.

[Random Nurse]

Has everyone claimed this far?

[Random Nurse]

if there does have to be a vortox, that means anix is town then right? i don't see why that's not the world we live in

i do think I have to be limmed today cause of Occam's razor, which is a bit frustrating because there's no way to know for sure that vander is lying, but I don't see what else we can do

@random nurse I'm pretty sure barring extreme circumstances anix has to be town

That I don't know.

Is it not possible he could be the Minion and lying?

[Random Nurse]

I'm going to take a break from this game for a little bit. Getting a headache again.

[Random Nurse]

I'm going to take a break from this game for a little bit. Getting a headache again.

When will you be back?

When I'm ready.

[Random Nurse]

Isn't there confirmed scum in the 2 or am I misunderstanding

If you have not yet I ask that you claim, please.

It seems everyone else has.

[Random Nurse]

I'm finding it so difficult to play this game without any tangible flips.

[Random Nurse]

Hey all. I'm here. Been sick with a cold the last two nights.

I am asking to be V/LA until Monday morning, please.

[Random Nurse]

I am so confused with this game right now.

Vanderscamp, how does your ability work and can we be certain it's a clear guilty on Infinity?

[Random Nurse]

what if we lim me and the dead people use their votes to elim vander? unless y'all think I no kill gambited

@random yes it's a clear guilty

If it's a clear guilty then we should be eliminating you?

VOTE: Infinity

[Random Nurse]

vander is scum and lying

Yet you said it's a clear guilty?

[Random Nurse]

Oh boy. I have a juicy savant today.

1. There is four Townsfolk alive.
2. Atsi and Random Nurse are not aligned

OK what does this mean?

[Random Nurse]

Are we allowed to unvote? If so I want to unvote.

[Random Nurse]

gonna be real with you guys this game makes no fucking sense anymore lmao

THIS.

I am SO confused. I've got NO flips, the dead are talking, I've got NOTHING but my result on Anix, and apparently that may or may not be reliable due to other abilities in play.

FFS I just need something tangible to work with here. Otherwise it's Day 1 all fucking game.

[Random Nurse]

Isn't Infinity already eliminated and we just need to end the day?

[Random Nurse]

This game was way too confusing.

[Random Nurse]

I've never played in a game before where the moderator lied to me about my result. That is beyond frustrating.

[Random Nurse]

You've never played in games with godfathers?

Way back in Normal games, but that's a bit different.

[Random Nurse]

Just kind of weird to see multiple ways through which the mod can lie to you, be told multiple times by multiple people there is at minimum a 1/4 chance the mod is lying to you, and yet spend a good portion of the game trying to angrily arguing the mod wouldn't lie to you.

To be frank you certainly didn't fight back against being mis-limmed as an innocent Townie would. It wasn't just the result but your response to my result which is why I continued pushing it. Normally I expect Town to fight back viciously if they know the result is incorrect.