Open 883 - Swinger's Hall

[Ausuka]

VOTE: drew

Omgus

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Klick

I am a staunch advocate of OMGUS and anti-OMGUS rhetoric is simply unacceptable to me.

[Ausuka]

hi hello

[Ausuka]

I guess the answer is 'I didn't try to consider what you might have meant' then?

Wow I hate this

[Ausuka]

Ari immediately slapping the meta button and being like omg why would Cakez do this doesn't make me want to move my vote

Hnmmmmm

[Ausuka]

Also Ari town, this doesn't feel like the scum!Ari I've played with before

Counterpoint, doesn't feel like the townAri I have played with before.

Maybe Ari has a good range I don't like it when people are good at mafia

[Ausuka]

Ari immediately slapping the meta button and being like omg why would Cakez do this doesn't make me want to move my vote

Like Ari herself pointed out that when I pushed her recently it backfired terribly. Why would I immediately repeat the same mistake as scum? But she called me agendaed for it.

I dunno but you've seen me interrogate people who push me so its weird to me you think its unnatural for me to do it to Klick.

Klicks posts didn't even read as a push to me, it looked like page 1 rvs bs. That's why it feels so odd.

Ding ding

Hmrngh

[Ausuka]

like i think cakez is rly weird

what does weird mean here?

you look like you're trying to control the agenda

uh how exactly is cakez controlling the agenda here? most of his play just feels reactive

[Ausuka]

Ari immediately slapping the meta button and being like omg why would Cakez do this doesn't make me want to move my vote

Hnmmmmm

Why the hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

It struck me in a bad way

Partially the 'slap the meta button' because that's something town do a lot although I'm maybe willing to accept cakez specifically thought ari's meta was bad so whatever

I think most of it is the 'this doesn't want to move my vote' thing the framing felt slightly off to me

Idk if i actually think cakez is scum having read the rest of the game

[Ausuka]

Soooo i kind of think alisae is a wolf here

I iso'd drew to try and find why ali thinks drew has to be a wolf on like page 9 and drew's iso is like exactly as meh as I remembered it.

I understand the pov of ''well scum want ari and klick to suicide mutually maybe" but Alisae was talking about how ari is scummy earlier for reasons that were equally ??? to me - I don't think ari's push on klick was like very difficult to understand personally - and like. They were pushing both ari and klick as suspects, while also voting for no elimination. What result of this, precisely, are they anticipating?

I also think the cakez read is like, ok yeah sure Cakez is scummyish but i don't think he's controlling the game or even trying to and it just came off to me as

I remember reading team mafia where iirc ali was scum and just like went all out with wild push stuff and didn't try to make sense or whatever and just let people townread the chaos? So I'm inclined to just take all this as face value.

[Ausuka]

If you're scum you're currently playing town mindset pretty well

Going to work, see y'all later

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I kinda feel like drew has to be a wolf here lmao so I vibe w/ this ig?

Yeah Drew as scum makes sense here

Lol

[Ausuka]

I am also not a fan of yessiree's posting and part of my brain wants to be like "omg alisae and yessiree are partners"

But most of my brain knows that is way too good to be true and I should stop

[Ausuka]

Klick could also be scum still maybe idk I'm delegating my read there to aristeia until further notice

[Ausuka]

Also, woah.......Ausuka is defending me?

Wtf is going on so far in this game??

I didn't really defend you! And I said you were town early in friends and enemies

[Ausuka]

If you're scum you're currently playing town mindset pretty well

Going to work, see y'all later

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I kinda feel like drew has to be a wolf here lmao so I vibe w/ this ig?

Yeah Drew as scum makes sense here

This isn't even worthy of the yellow m&m.

I think history has proven neither of you know my scum game lol.

But I am not exactly town reading yessiree, so have at it.

I still agree with Ari's plan though.

I think it's questionable that there are several players who 'agree with Ari's plan' without any actual opinions

I also think it's questionable that apparently what people wanted from me earlier was evidence of actual thought (on page three) and those people are now not saying anything about the people who 'agree with Ari's plan' without any actual opinions

Idk I mean ari is like really good at mafia game. I want to let the game stew before we no eliminate though and if ari's read on you is the same after that shrug.

I think the issue with your early posting wasn't that you weren't thinking or whatever, you clearly were and it came off as disingenuous

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alimeuh

[Ausuka]

@Infinity

From my experience (or at least my memory of meta-ing him recently) Drew aims to seem relaxed as scum, and kind of doesn't really come off that way naturally when he's town

Plenty of things can affect how relaxed someone is/wants to present as, but I at least want to flag that appearing relaxed is entirely within Drew's scum range/how he would consider approaching a scum game

How relaxed was I in Boons Ahoy? I assume this is the meta you were referring to.......or Fire and Fire, was scumDrew relaxed there?

You literally are talking out of your ass and speaking factually incorrect. The irony being here is that I am not relaxed anymore lol.....Klick tried to use meta to say I was town in Boons Ahoy, ironically helping me and the scum team win. I find it hard to believe that they would use meta to make a scum case for me KNOWING that they were wrong about it before......or at least offering the caveat that they were were wrong once before(I think that is the key before, if I am wrong about someone once I will admit that I have been wrong when giving a read such as klick did).

Bottom line, and say all 'OMGUS'.......klick is telling the story that they want to tell, not the actual story that is legit.

VOTE: Klick/RH

I believe that is E-1 if I can count lol

Meanwhile, I just feel like Drew is becoming more and more obvious scum.

For me, the telling line here is “factually incorrect.”

If Drew was town here and found a factual inconsistency in Klick’s read, I think Drew would question him on it first or at some point consider a world where Klick is wrong!town. But here, it looks like Drew went into this interaction wanting Klick to be scum. I think this is further evidenced be his post where he accuses Klick of ascertaining Drew as scum despite him being frozen out of the game in 334. Drew sees this as an inconsistency and as such Klick must be scum for it.

Drew just seems so fixated on logical inconsistencies and factual correctness and experience says that mafia are way more likely to fall back on those arguments because it feels like the strongest tool they have. It is way easier to push a miselim because of inconsistencies in a townie’s read (because townies are inconsistent all the time) than it is because of a townie’s tone.

I don’t think Drew actually seems interested in determining Klick’s alignment. He seems more interested in burying Klick under his perceived inconsistencies

Idk if I agree with this tbh

I think if someone pushes you for reasons you think are bs/made up it's pretty normal to push back against that

[Ausuka]

I'm not actually familiar with boons ahoy or the meta btw and if drew isn't correct about it maybe he is just trying to scumread klick etc

Maybe i should read his iso from that game

[Ausuka]

Dann is there a reason you think my reaction to a hype scum team would be 'relaxed' rather than 'excited' or something

[Ausuka]

tbh im just saying pair ausuka and yessiree together because I’m theorizing if they were scum buddies ausuka would probably defend the townie in that pair (drew) and not engage with my yessiree read

so it’s mostly a pre flip I don’t know if I have anything truly alignment indicative from ausuka yet

I already said I thought yessirree was scum lol

[Ausuka]

And like

even if you personally don't believe the actual context of drew/klick could possibly be relevant i don't think it's that like out there to believe

'oh hey maybe the believability of people's reads can be judged based on what actually happened'

[Ausuka]

like of course context matters

of course you read people based on what they're saying and how likely it seems to be a real thought process based on what already happened.

I think dannflor even if he disagrees with this has played so many games that like. Idk i'm genuinely trying not to omgus here I know I do it a lot. I just don't see how you think this is actually something town players don't do?

Maybe we can make a deal tho I pair with yessiree and you pair with alisae and we all have a chain explosion thing does that sound cool

[Ausuka]

i guess dann did say in friends and enemies mason thread that everything i talk about is inconsequential and he hates my posts or something lol

maybe it's not that unrealistic

[Ausuka]

Aristeia

RH9, ydrasse

Dannflor, Klick, Infinity

Sircakes, Meuh

Alisae

?

[Ausuka]

i think ydrasse is like consensus null / scum read i'm not sure i feel it

I should have put klick in cyan probably? He seems like town klick I'm just hedging because ari is usually right when she does the big loud confident voice. But also she's not even scumreading klick anymore so shrug

[Ausuka]

i said i thought yessiree and ali were scum together earlier because i thought the ali townread on yessiree came off as weird and they were both doing the same line about cakez which i didn't think felt like a real thought

it kind of felt like 'we are going to do this super blatantly and no one will believe it because it's so blatant'

tbh if cakez is scum it probably is just with ali specifically, if ali is town i think cakez is more likely to also be town? just the interactions between the 3 feel super off to me

[Ausuka]

Meuh's posting is just meh idk what else I can say there

[Ausuka]

meh-u

[Ausuka]

Btw meuh said in pt when i told them about my suspect pool they said they didn’t feel it

So like unless like one of cakez rh9 Ari Klick flips mafia meuh is alright in my book

I imagine that is the kind of thing meuh would be like “oh ya one of these players are wolves for sure” if they’re a wolf

I can say that as scum, but I'll take it
I'll echo what I said there and say I don't feel it, you said there was always scum there, I disagree
RH9 had like 2 posts and they meant nothing to me, Ari looks town. Cakez and Klick I didn't particularly townread (I think I'm leaning town on Klick now, Cakez still pretty neutral), but I could see both Cakez and Klick be townies with approaches to the game that rubbed people the wrong way (Cakez is always a day 1 scumread, Klick just opened weirdly)
I don't see the need for scum to exist there!
I also don't see an urgency to flip Cakez, imo Cakez always outputs a bunch of vaguely scummy content, but as town he also throws in some town indicative stuff once in a while, as the game progresses we can look for that content (or the lack thereof) and figure it out from there.

This doesn't instinctively give s/s vibes to me I guess but it's hard to explain it

I think if they're scum together it would have to be not that well co-ordinated. It just feels like the two of them are pulling in different directions

Because like alisae is going in with this meuh townread and meuh is just so apprehensive about it and it just comes off as awkward and I don't really get the angle? Because if you're going for the 'too obvious to be true' associations, and trying to like defend each other and whatever, I don't see why this response comes off as so, uh, negatively orientated.

I mean Yessiree pushes back a bit against the alisae scumread so you could argue that applies there too but I feel like that's different because it was after I had just said they were potentially s/s.

[Ausuka]

In terms of alignment I have like actually nothing on Meuh though

[Ausuka]

Dancefloor

interested to see if this counts

[Ausuka]

wait uh

Danncefloor

??

[Ausuka]

No one townreads me sad

[Ausuka]

um uh

GG?

[Ausuka]

i am never going to froget this game

[Ausuka]

sorry for not obvtowning lol

[Ausuka]

I still have no idea how I was supposed to be defending drew when I called his play "meh" lol