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sick.

hu tao, i dont scum read you completely btw. it was a win win scenario.

if youre scum, you felt my pressure.

if youre town, then people would keep us both alive because they thought we'd argue.

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i havent checked thread yet

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Sick. you got guilty, makes sense.

I'm VT

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i really checked out of this game last day phase. I saw track claim, and e-1, so i just hammered and played a twilight game.

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I'm actively not joining yet to see how people talk and force others to make a vote.

There's no way scum doesn't join this wagon, though, so I think it just almost always is Abnegation.

Klazam's Miller claim is interesting. Feels too bold to come from scum, and I think it seems possible for sure. I would say if Nono isn't the roleblocker then Klazam probably always town.

Leaves Abnegation and Davesaz really. I think Ame v Drew is TvT.

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Don’t claim what i said in the neighborhood yet, i claimed it for y’all so you can hold me accountable to it.

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We aren’t mass claiming, that’s like one of the main things i was asking for mass claim in thread about, and waiting for Hu Tao. Hu Tao didn’t want mass claim, so don’t mass claim more roles

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We hold until next day

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lost most worlds it's just Abnegation or Dave here, right?

from other's pov, it could be me or Snivy, i guess, and Drew isn't technically off the table, but I think game just ends with Abneg->Dave.

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Snivy would have just killed Hu Tao probs.

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Alright, alright.

I was really hoping that would be the case in a “ooooh, i hope Hu Tao pulling a sneaky gambit.”

Good on ya, Tao.

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DAMN.

I knew the way that went about Nono was town doing it.

So good, Hu Tao.

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Fire.

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Damn, my Day 2 Twighlight phase aged well.

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@Snivy - While I don't think it happened, but there's a non zero chance Geraint is scum, however i find it unlikely. but it isn't zero, but Geraint has to get killed if town, so idk if it matters too much.

Also non zero chance you're scum here Snivy, but again, I find it unlikely. I pulled a neighborize my own partner to help pocket a townie a ways back. It's a good move.

Abnegation seems likely.

Hu Tao just gets faded tomorrow. we should probs talk through tomorrow, though. we've rushed some days pretty fast, and now we know why at least.

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At least we hit 2 scum now.

We should straight mass claim tomorrow. Like no ifs ands or buts

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It can be kinda used if we’re trying to do things to figure out like the trio of Dave/doctor/Abneg in the future

What was your result?

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Yeah, most likely they lying, but they misfaded a cop if they town.

After Nono flip, they went dead silent in here, so i think it’s just scum trolling

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If Hu Tao scum blocker, you can start getting Innos.

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Eh, do it. in case one of us die, it would confirm stuff to others

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Wait.

Snivy having a neighborizer go through on someone and a kill somewhere else clears them bar multitasking.

So yeah, Snivy has to have a target.

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thinking of if i should target klazam or someone out of klazam

Safer to not do the same as Geraint

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Because if Geraint track clears Klazam and you were neighborizing there and Klazam dies, it doesn’t confirm you as town or as not Multitasking scum.

So 100% always a different target than Geraint.

Probably target someone with a low chance of dying, imo, like Drew, Dave, or Abneg

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So I really don’t think it’s Snivy, but if I die, and nobody comes into this Neighborhood…then it’s Snivy

I think it’s actually mech impossible unless Multitasking because last scum is roleblocker, and Nono did seem to be roleblocked on Night 2, unless Abnegation is Ascetic?

Actually, @Geraint - do you think you could test if Abnegation is Ascetic?

And then Snivy could bring Klazam, Drew, or Dave in here?

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Wait, you already did confirm Abneg wasn’t ascetic. That’s good.

It means Nono was 100% roleblocked N2.

And that’s when I got in this thread, so Snivy can only be scum Multitasking Roleblocker Neighborizer, which looks good for Snivy.


As you were, Klazam is a great target for Geraint.

Snivy, get one of the other 3 in here for security, whoever ya want, just not the same target as Geraint

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@Geraint - Can you confirm when you targeted Abnegation what you received? No Result or Abnegation didn’t go anywhere?

If it is Abnegation didn’t go anywhere, then they are confirmed town because we know Nono got roleblocked Night 2. This is only not true if Abnegation is exactly a Ninja Roleblocker, which I don’t think is likely because they would have made the kill instead of Kitty probably.

I’m thinking they’re just town if you successfully say they didn’t go anywhere, because they seemed to know you targeted them.

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This game almost always just ends with Drew and Dave chain if Klazam gets cleared, but tracker and cop guilty on Night 1 is a little rough

Sorry for rambles, just thinking

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Perfect.

Abnegation can ONLY be scum if Ninja based on the roleblock happening on Nono.

Would prefer someone outside of Klazam/Abnegation be neighborized to test possible Ascetic.

Snivy can only be scum if Multitasking Roleblock Neighborizer.

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i havent really considered a scum FL world in which case this ideal route is broken but im willing to risk it

In theory, from an outside pov, i should be in the POE still if we weren’t talking about my play.

That’s not for me to discern, but if I had to make a defense on myself,

I feel my Twilight Day 2 helped in hindsight a lot for me, and the fact that Hu Tao and co shut down my slow it down, mass claim talk that would have given us Ame’s target on Day 3.

late game as town is my fave spot of Mafia, and I hope I can help win this.

If I die, it’s probably Drew?

Daves has the scummiest ISO, but I think he’s just been inactive, and I have seen him do that as town many times, however them hopping onto the wagons of Kitty and Nono is their biggest harp.

It makes sense to bus.

However, Drew knows this, and I get why town rush to vote, i did it too.

I don’t have that gut feel on Drew I usually do when they’re town, and I think their tone/headspace is different. I also know them to sit in the back as scum in a rough spot, and hope some kind of chaos happens.

If Klazam is cleared,

I would prefer going Drew->Dave the next two phases. Drew is much slippier than Dave, and I think Drew tactics will show with pressure if they are scum, so like I’m up for changing that in the day phase, and I think we can sit and talk things over rather than rush it out.

Let’s just have a day phase imo, and talk things through.

The possibilities where last scum is one of Geraint/Snivy/Abnegation are scum are very slim, but not impossible, but I think we deal with that when we get there.

Because of this, Abnegation could be a good addition in here, Snivy? But go with your gut who you want in here, im not opposed to having possible scum get added here.

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I’ll stop rambling eventually

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Both Hu Tao and Drew insta shutting down you light town reading me is pretty rough since it’s now proven Hu Tao did that coming from a scum POV.

Drew has also been rallying me all game.

Honestly, I’d bet the game on DrewScum here. Been looking at Hu Tao ISO, and it just feels odd compared to how Hu Tao talked to other people.

Like Hu Tao wasn’t worried about how Drew read them, but if you look at them to other slots, like Ame specifically, they were working a hard Ame pocket.

This also works double because Ame was hard pushing Drew for a long time, so Hu Tao pocketing Ame protects Drew.

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Yeah, it’s just Drew. I can give a case, more than I have, but I really think if you just take a look at their ISO, and maybe Hu Tao’s and see how perfectly it fits into the overall play of the team of Drew, Hu Tao, and Kitty.

Mixed in with Hu Tao’s interactions with Drew compared to other people, it looked like they were teammates and trying to mold the game politics to their liking.

Both Hu Tao and Drew sheeped my Leek vote, makes sense. It looks bad on me after Leek flipped Vanilla (I still stand by going after the Vanilla instead of getting more claims in the game in that scenario, going into Night 1 with denied info after having a plethora of interactions throughout the day is almost always beneficial)

Even more weird because Drew and I had a bigger 1v1 earlier that day phase.

Drew sheeped the Kitty bus, which is super key, helped speed both Leek wagon, Nono, and then later Hu Tao wagon up.

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On Dave, I personally think these don’t look like partner interactions:

This one questions Hu Tao, and kinda calls them out but in a very soft way:
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This one calls out Hu Tao for answering a question that was asked for someone else (Snivy), which makes sense with Hu Tao Scum trying to control the game, but a partner usually would just let them cook
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The combination of Dave trying to give their analysis on my slot, and Hu Tao’s response, followed by Dave’s response looks like Hu Tao chopping down Dave more.

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And even their intent to vote here and end the day give anti partner associations. You could say that’s why they posted it, but i really don’t think they did. It feels like scum wanted the day to be over and move on.

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I think I’m pretty strongly town reading Dave here after that dive.


Again, SORRY, about my big walls. You just gave me a neighborhood, i blame Snivy.

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Okay, yeah, looked through Klazam’s posts, and I kinda can see town now.

It’s also super weird to claim Miller as scum who knows a Cop is about to go down, and their analysis is actually pretty good. I didn’t read much into it yesterday at the time, but after deep ISO, I think the game really is just done with Drew.

Dave-Kitty interactions aren’t Scum-Scum. Klazam came to the same conclusion from their analysis.

Yeah. This is a good spot.

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Eventually thread will open, and Geraint will die, i imagine

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"No result"

okay. looks like we're dealing with a Multitasking Roleblocker.

So Snivy was a really poor kill imo because of that.

I think it clears Abnegation a little more too. Hello, btw. Check out my ramblings from last night Abneg, would like your thoughts. I think we can say some stuff in here this day phase. Klazam or Drew holds the last scum, but I think it's just Drew.

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Yeah, their last post on Drew slot scum suspicious prior replacement.

I thought Snivy had a tinfoil chance of being some type of scum, but yeah.

What were all of Geraint's tracks?

Night 1 Kitty to Blackstar.
Night 2 Abnegation Nowhere.
Night 3 was what?
Night 4 Klazam - No Result

Trying to put together a big mech chart.

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oh right.

Interesting.

I don't remember if anyone did.

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geraintm - Loud Tracker
Klazam - Miller
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Abnegation - VT
davesaz - VT
Doctor Drew - VT

SzmarzLeek - Vanilla Town
BlackStar - Vanilla Town
KittyTacky - Informed Goon
Nono - Town Cop
Ame - Novice Lazy Doctor
Hu Tao - Multitasking Mafia Role Cop
camelCasedSnivy - Town Neighborizer


Loud Tracker
Cop
Novice Lazy Doc
Neighborizer
Miller
6x VT

Informed Goon
Multitasking Mafia Role Cop

One of the top town side is a Multitasking Mafia Roleblocker.

Geraint - Tracked Kitty Night 1 to Blackstar. Abnegation Night 2 Nowhere (Confirmed by Abneg). Doctor Drew Night 3 Nowhere. Night 4 Klazam No Result.
Nono - Copped Hu Tao Night 1: Guilty. Abnegation Night 2: No Result.
Ame - Novice Lazy Doc - Couldn't act Night 1. Night 2: Possible Protect.
Snivy - Neighborized Hu Tao Night 1. Flavor Night 2. Geraint Night 3. Abnegation Night 4.


Night 2 we had a No KIll. Nono claimed No Result targeting Abnegation, but because Abnegation was confirmed to be targeted by Geraint, it makes it clear there is a Mafia Roleblocker. There's no confirmation on Night 1 or Night 3 of a roleblock, but there is on Night 4, meaning it could be Even-Night.

Geraint being proven to target Abnegation with a Loud ability the same night Nono got roleblocked means Geraint can't be pulling some insane gambit unless they were specifically a Multitasking Roleblocker - Loud Something, where loud is specifically on the 2nd role. With them being the most likely defense target, they have a solid chance at being town. I'm paranoid of a No Kill gambit since Hu Tao told doc to be on Geraint/Hu Tao 50-50, but after Nono flips town, Hu Tao never was gonna get defended. This requires Geraint to tracker bus Kitty, and idk if I see this ever, but this is big tinfoil.

Abnegation would have to be a Multitasking Ninja Roleblocker to be scum. Why didn't Drew claim to have been targeted by Geraint Night 3? Why didn't Geraint get roleblocked Night 3? Multitasking Even-Night Roleblocker?


Hmm

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abnegation going nowhere looks really good considering Nono got blocked, but what if Mthey are Multitasking Even-Night Ninja Roleblocker? But that seems like a lot.

Klazam could be an Ascetic Mafia Roleblocker, and then Geraint targeted them, and got No Result because of Ascetic, and Klazam killed Snivy? Meaning multitasking not necessary.

Doctor Drew could have purposefully not done anything because i brought up tracking them that night, and then decided to block tonight. Drew needed a clear?

I wish Dave was somewhere in these actions, but I think they're tonight's track? Unless I should be tracked. Depends how you are all feeling on me. I'm in the POE still on mech.

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I think Drew being an Even Night Multitasking Roleblocker is probably the most likely? Or a full Multitasking Roleblocker who didn't act Night 3.

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i kind of expected him to come after me.

ah well, ive done my analysis.

it just makes a lot of sense for ScumDrew to come after me, i should have waited to post anything to see if he did it without me outing I think he's the last scum.

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Am I wrong on Drew, and it’s Klazam?

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I know it doesn’t mean that much if I say it ain’t me, but it ain’t me.

There’s zero reason for me to kill Snivy, and I think it shows.

I guess it could be Klazam, and Drew town, but I am not scum this game, and I hope my effort and analysis shows you two I’m not here pulling the wool over your eye.

I trust the both of you to the point where I cased reasons you could still be scum, and still chose to consider you mech cleared.

If you need to fade me, so be it. But I will not flip scum, and one of the two of them will.

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I think Klazam just has Flavor Fever. I wanna trust their claim tbh

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Part of me get hit by Drew’s posts, and I go, is he town and I’m wrong somewhere else? But like I just town read every other slot, and know he has all the purpose in the world to come after me today.

Like he needs to fade me

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he needs exactly you and dave in order to win, myself/gera/klazam just aren't viable imo.
to be fair, i could say something similar about you.

I town read Davesaz more than I townread Klazam.

I have absolutely locked myself out of victory if I am scum because of that.

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Because Klazam will never be faded, and I will not fade Davesaz.

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Drew has kept every single slot open while I’ve locked myself out behind town reading every other slot.

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Look at my trajectory here from last night, I started in a world where every single player could have been scum, and I ended up finding legitimate reasons to town read every single slot in the game, and I couldn’t do the same with Drew.

And like, I made scum cases and possibilities for Geraint/Klazam/Snivy/Abneg, and I have still been able to say I don’t see any of those situations as really possible.

And I have gone hard to go over Dave’s posts and show why I believe they just aren’t scum/scum with Hu Tao, and I think it’s the same with Kitty too. Scum don’t pair themselves up with partner Kitty.

And I called Hu Tao out for their obv bus on Day 2, and actively called Nono out as town there.

Davesaz and I both had no clue who the doctor was and it showed on Day 3.

I tried to get a mass claim going to learn who the doctor was so we could get confirmation on Their target and who was protected, but Hu Tao shot it down.


Hu Tao and I were clearly not on the same page, but them and Drew have been multiple times this game.

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Well, that sucks. Drew and I are TvT.

It’s gonna be a rough time.

If Geraint dies, it’s probs Klazam. If Abneg dies, it’s probably Dave.

That’s on a base level, idk the games they could play.

That’s demoralizing

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im probably just going to vote Klazam and hope it's right. dave's not an option anyways, since if Klazam is town, they're tunneled so badly, so all i can do really is try not to get misfaded here.