Mini Normal 2311 | Werewolf Lair

[JacksonVirgo]

Lmao, hello there

[JacksonVirgo]

9 players. 2 dead town. 2 wolves.
Currently 2v5 so we need 2 more elims to win this

[JacksonVirgo]

I've tried pocketing Nurse and Wiz as they both seem to be the people that are controlling the Town the most.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think we win via going ZZZ -> Passenger or vice-versa.
We gotta stop RN from checking Passenger so what we should do is either kill RN or rolestop Passenger.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Host

if a Traffic Analyst targets someone I rolestop. They will know their action failed yeah?

Aka there's 3 results they can get. A positive, negative and a fail. Yeah?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm a little confused about what actions we took N1, can you tell me what we did?

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah I didn't realise multi-tasking was active. Thank you :)

[JacksonVirgo]

ID	Player	Status	Role/Claim
3	Random Nurse	Alive	Lazy Traffic Analyst
4	ZZZX	Alive	Villager
5	Passenger	Alive	Backup Neighbour
6	Hu Tao	Died N1	Villager
7	AnimatedWiz	Alive	Villager
8	Not_Mafia	Executed D1	Villager
9	TheHoldSteady	Alive	Indecisive Doctor

[JacksonVirgo]

My current idea of a gameplan is

D2: Elim ZZZ
N2: Rolestop Passenger, get RN to target Passenger. Kill HoldSteady
D3: Elim Passenger
N3: Kill RN

If RN already targeted Passenger, that'd be an impossibility so we pivot but for now that's my general idea.

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah we got many options. We’re in a good spot

[JacksonVirgo]

We should realistically rolestop the one in zzz/pass who doesn’t flip today. Assuming we get a flip on one of course. Having a massclaim benefits us substantially and d1 was cut short which also benefits us substantially. We’re in a great spot, just don’t crumple under pressure

[JacksonVirgo]

You know, I’m at least glad we waited to get more information in the first place. It seemed like we were actually going to eliminate your spot right before you hopped in, Jackson, and then you helped turn it around and someone else is against the wall instead.

I actually kinda feel bad, he’s so confident T-T

[JacksonVirgo]

I gotta say, if all the claims are true. This is actually a really fun designed setup.

I love it a lot

[JacksonVirgo]

Oop wiz is

limm

able, crazy

[JacksonVirgo]

@Hosts.

Does the rolestopper part of my role block the Mailman part of my role?

Would it block my kill if I multitask it into the same person I rolestop?

[JacksonVirgo]

HAHAHAHAH NO WAY

This was the most amazing thing to see coming into here omg

[JacksonVirgo]

aight who shall I follow?

Oop wiz is lynchable, crazy

just so you know the l word is banned on MS now

Ah F I keep forgetting

[JacksonVirgo]

So a massclaim happened prior to me repping in.

The only remaining PR claims are in the table I made above so that’s RN and Steady.

I’m probably gonna try pushing zzz. So to be safe I wanted to rolestop them to stop them getting checked, but from the TAs own reads I feel they’re gonna check Wiz but really I doubt we can get wiz over zzz anyway so zzz is probably the way to go.

I’m not sure it’s needed for you to follow anybody tbh but ig to stop us accidentally getting blindsided you could probably check a VT claim?

We kill Steady though 100%

[JacksonVirgo]

Not sure if you can proxy your partners actions here in this site, so I'll attempt it and if it's bad oh well.

@JacksonVirgo attacks Steady

@JacksonVirgo rolestops ZZZX with a Mailman message of "Say a math equation in your first post to secretly confirm you received this message"

@TheWorst follows Wiz

[JacksonVirgo]

Neato.

Not sure really what to do with the Mailman tbh

[JacksonVirgo]

Could probably do something funny like telling ZZZ that "Hey, I'm JV. I'm a mailman owo but I will deny it if you claim it. Also I'm a wolf"

Of which, they will 100% claim that. Of which people can argue that, why the hell would I ever do that and then either ZZZ goes out or we argue a less-skilled tried framing me or something and clears me. Would be hilarious

[JacksonVirgo]

That's not a serious suggestion for the action, if that wasn't clear

[JacksonVirgo]

We love a complete Australian wolf team tho

[JacksonVirgo]

HAHAHAHAH NO WAY

This was the most amazing thing to see coming into here omg

omg for real like, i had to read my role 3 times to make sure i understand it, checked the hood and let out an evil cackle, checked here and let out the evillest cackle :lol: <3

Lmao, literally same regarding my role. They're so funky and I love them.
Ah you being here makes me so incredibly happy you got no idea.

I feel bad for the Town fr fr

[JacksonVirgo]

Could probably do something funny like telling ZZZ that "Hey, I'm JV. I'm a mailman owo but I will deny it if you claim it. Also I'm a wolf"

Of which, they will 100% claim that. Of which people can argue that, why the hell would I ever do that and then either ZZZ goes out or we argue a less-skilled tried framing me or something and clears me. Would be hilarious

that's absolutely hilarious. i feel like i'd rather keep the unknown factor of the alignment of the mailman role, rather than try to gambit with it vs. zzz who is pretty experienced & from that older era where people thought hard about mechanics. but like, god. can we please create a separate timeline where we do this?

Ahaha I agree, it would be so fun though ahaha. That being said, we are in a pretty decent spot too so no use trying a gambit. I'm the general top TR, there's really nothing against your slot either except mech reasoning and I'm sure you can make it difficult to push too just as I did with my slot. The Town was kinda is a bad spot (hammered D1 on page 5 and a mass-claim D2) when I popped in so that helped substantially.

[JacksonVirgo]

i'm gonna try and hard pocket u in the hood hope u don't mind

Go ahead, I doubt there's another backup cuz of the massclaim but better safe than sorry (also it's super fun regardless)

[JacksonVirgo]

there's a chance that my flip might make you soft-confirmed town because of the hood. that also makes it stranger again if you don't die so might be an f5 bus. just food for thought.

Funnily enough, passenger (the flipped backup neighbour) immediately pinned the neighbourhood as a full scum one

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I’m constantly triple checking the thread in case I accident say the wrong thing in the wrong chat T-T

[JacksonVirgo]

You don’t have to of course but if you catch up with the focus of casing wiz for elim that might be beneficial. I already have zzz ready for the chop and people have led on that wiz is a viable option too. Might be worth using you as a means to split the focus to two slots more reliably but I don’t know how you usually catch up as a wolf so it’s only a suggestion.

[JacksonVirgo]

gosh i'm so tempted to open d3 by saying i think there's a very high chance of you being scum because of the town backup neighbour flip

You definitely can if you want to, I’ll very likely be able to survive it even if you push me primarily

[JacksonVirgo]

what did we claim itt? i wonder if there's a way we can swing a rolestopper gambit by not killing tonight :eyes:

The two just claimed normal neighbours so we’ll have to push a tinny bit harder to pull off that one of our preds fakeclaimed and we continued it

[JacksonVirgo]

You don’t have to of course but if you catch up with the focus of casing wiz for elim that might be beneficial. I already have zzz ready for the chop and people have led on that wiz is a viable option too. Might be worth using you as a means to split the focus to two slots more reliably but I don’t know how you usually catch up as a wolf so it’s only a suggestion.

??/ i'm town

Same fr it was just a hypothetical fr fr

[JacksonVirgo]

traffic analyst & doctor i guess, sure that's fine

is the traffic analyst not like, quite a large problem?

They are in the sense that they can clear people. We can the rolestopper to stop a clear on a particular player. The doc definitely did not protect RN N1 as they arr the one that speedhammered so they’re protected tonight in most worlds.

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo - claimed neighbour, not a good target
the worst - claimed neighbour, not a good target
Random Nurse - self
TheHoldSteady - the doctor he is asking to target him, not a good target


ZZZX
AnimatedWiz

which of these is he going to shoot? my guess is wiz

Mhm those are the two I figured too. They’re likely going to check Wiz considering he srs them but like zzz is easier to push so I feel in a completely random world it’s better to rolestop zzz but in an informed world maybe wiz but not sure I wanna risk it

[JacksonVirgo]

1st world is probably the hardest to win. Wiz has one person SRing them, I have to bend over backwards a little tiny bit to argue Wiz over your own slot.

3rd world is clearly the strongest option we have. It leaves both wiz and zzz open but also makes the TA look bad due to multiple failed actions. N1 they checked the NK so if we get here we probably win nmw unless we just absolutely flunk

World 2 is the safer route. Lower risk, someone who already is in the 3 man PoE by majority of the players.

[JacksonVirgo]

so in world two, are you confident that you can sell a me/zzzx world?
alternately, a worse case scenario, can i sell a you/zzzx world?

i'll take your advance and do my catchup geared towards needing to eventually find scum!zzzx. i will also need to immediately start establishing you as scum. i'll try and handfist it so that you come out looking pretty good when i come out looking like i'd already decided that.

I definitely have a better chance of that than of you and wiz. It’s already been cemented that the idea of you, pass and zzz contain all the wolves and we’ll almost surely win just by chain limming all of them.

[JacksonVirgo]

Please automatically replace me if I reach the prod timer, I currently have completely no idea how to mislead the town :(

It's not over until it's over. I've created a situation where it looks like I'm setting up two mislims in you and Passenger. It's but a little speck of hope, but I need you to grasp it.

Also ur pred has done this

[JacksonVirgo]

And you will do amazing!!!

I'm off to sleep so hopefully nothing bad happens while I do.

Yes I'm sleeping at 7am, I work overnights

[JacksonVirgo]

oof i'm sorry you're still on the overnight grind, i hope it was an okay shift.

catch you when you're back :)

Lmao yeah, moving to Brissie soon so gonna be done with them. Can't wait

[JacksonVirgo]

i think annie might be a better n3 kill than rn, if we go into n3

like for either of us

If I'm alive, definitely. If you're alive, no.
I can stop them clearing ZZZ, you can't so you'd have to argue an RN elim

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh right he's lazy I forgot that

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah when u flip informed. I’m as good as dead

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah lmao. So I feel we can either go zzz or me out today

[JacksonVirgo]

U gotta vote me out imo, get zzz or rn to vote too and I self hammer or smthn

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel posting content will only do me worse so Ima antagonise ppl to havr them vote me owo. Had a pretty bad day so not feeling too invested to play today sry

[JacksonVirgo]

I could probably claim a complex mailman neighbour (I think complex fails on VTs)

But that’d 1v1 me and zzz and if I go out you will have issues

[JacksonVirgo]

My god RN trapped me

[JacksonVirgo]

bad day squad *sad fistbump*

[JacksonVirgo]

bad day squad *sad fistbump*

:C

I'll take ur bad day from you! Mine now thx

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll be without much access to internet for the next few days. I'm looking after my mum up in the middle of woop woop, she's recently had surgery and needs someone.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Host

is that okay to go on V/LA for 72 hours?

[JacksonVirgo]

At

most

72 hours. I'm sure I'll be able to post somewhat but I am not 100%

[JacksonVirgo]

Honestly, Town as a whole ha their third eye opened.
Passenger nailed the entire setup
Wiz nailed the informed thing, even tho it would happen to need you to flip informed (which you will lmfao)

[JacksonVirgo]

The hope I have is that you go out. I keep Wiz alive. Kill RN and use the Wiz staying alive even after pegging the exact setup for WIFOM to get them on my side and then me and ZZZ battle it out.

RN is almost certainly like thinking it's us both worstie. I feel this is a gambit to keep him alive over Wiz

[JacksonVirgo]

Ima try something

[JacksonVirgo]

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[JacksonVirgo]

I hope AtE isn't like really looked down upon, it's really the only option we have.

[JacksonVirgo]

I know that isn't hammer but we'll see how this goes

[JacksonVirgo]

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[JacksonVirgo]

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[JacksonVirgo]

The AtE made it worse LOL

So that's fun, oh well

[JacksonVirgo]

Guess I'm just gonna WIFOM the kill and use that as an argument

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright. Gotta clutch up and survive against the odds.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Host
I kill RN and I rolestop myself (if I can) otherwise I rolestop ZZZ.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also obviously I won't fast night

[JacksonVirgo]

@Host
I kill RN and I rolestop myself (if I can) otherwise I rolestop ZZZ.

Self-targeting is not allowed in Normals. Also all parts of a combined role must be used if the role is used at all.

I will consider you to have submitted the following:

• KILL Random Nurse
  
• Rolestop & Mail ZZZX, sending the empty message

Tell me if it's incorrect.

Yeah that's good.

[JacksonVirgo]

Since I'm like super dead anyway I can always do my old plan and just go out with a bang
Directly say "Oh hey yeah I'm wolf, love you mwah"

Hilarious

[JacksonVirgo]

And not throwing ofc cuz the point is to throw something unnatural into what would normally be natural

[JacksonVirgo]

Going out in a blaze of very gay glory

[JacksonVirgo]

It would make it a story for the ages. And would make my bf giggle when I tell him about it, probably idk I'm trying to justify it for myself

[JacksonVirgo]

Since I'm like super dead anyway I can always do my old plan and just go out with a bang
Directly say "Oh hey yeah I'm wolf, love you mwah"

Hilarious

If you intend to change your mail to this, please bold your submission

Yeah I'll make it very clear.

[JacksonVirgo]

Not an official submission yet tho

[JacksonVirgo]

I definitely misplayed the D3, without a doubt so I guess it's me attempting to mop up my errors. I gotta case up ZZZ so hard he won't know what hit him, and die anyway cuz the informed thing with trigger Wiz's conf bias.

[JacksonVirgo]

But Ima die swinging goddamn it!!! Hehe

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I'm killing RN and keeping the person who SRs me alive in hopes they hear me out. I believe RN was trying to gambit, I think he SR me and just wanted to be left alive at night to get me tomorrow I believe I might have a chance to argue that you're alive because scum wanted you alive for your reads etc. I wanna write up a pretty hefty thing, split it up into many subsequent posts and just spam the living fuck out of the thread with logic.

If I can gather enough up

[JacksonVirgo]

@Host

can I have a seperate PT of which I will be posting the individual posts I plan to make? I'll need to be able to edit them which is why I am asking for a new PT, I doubt you let me edit here.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Host

am I allowed to say that I wrote stuff over the night?

Like

"Yeah I wrote these as I kinda of expected that I would be left alive with ZZZ"

But not referring to any PT or the like

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure, you could have used notepad to draft for all that anyone knows.

Just avoid mentioned that you've asked for a Notes PT;

that

would be more than a little outside-influenc-y.

Neato, spoiler tags are allowed in games yeah?

[JacksonVirgo]

This is gonna be a tough one to win, wish me luck ducky

[JacksonVirgo]

@Host

not sure if it's too late or if the others have or not but I'm okay with fast night hehe (2 hours to go lmfao, what a fast night that would be)

[JacksonVirgo]

Albeit the post I wrote to case ZZZ is kinda lacklustre, I hope I can pick up the weight of that going into the day if Wiz doesn't insta-vote me

[JacksonVirgo]

Sadge, was worth a shot ahaha

[JacksonVirgo]

This game is actually really fun. The setup is nicely designed and while I thought we had it pretty well going into D3 we got pretty royally fucked which puts a twist on things. Ah the joys of life

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, still gonna be a fight of course but the kill gambit landed at the very least so that's good

[JacksonVirgo]

Ducky you better be cheering me on in the dead chat!!!!!!!!!

[JacksonVirgo]

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[JacksonVirgo]

Redact 188, 150, 153, 154. Otherwise we're good for both this and neighbour chat

[JacksonVirgo]

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