Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[Xylthixlm]

Vote: Cephrir

for being right before me in the player list.

Why does DGB already have a vote? Or two, counting farside22's.

[Xylthixlm]

"And you don't seem to understand...
and you seemed like an honest man..."

Duvet, Serial Experiments Lain opening

Misquoted, for the record.

And you don't seem to understand
A shame you seemed an honest man
And all the fears you hold so dear
Will turn to whisper in your ear
And you know what they say might hurt you
And you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing

I am falling
I am fading
I have lost it all

And you don't seem the lying kind
A shame that I can read your mind
And all the things that I read there
Candle lit smile that we both share
And you know I don't mean to hurt you
But you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing

I am falling
I am fading
I am drowning, help me to breathe
I am hurting
I have lost it all
I am losing, help me to breathe

[Xylthixlm]

FoS: Tarhalindur

Because I can.

[Xylthixlm]

If lynching the mod is a downside to the town, considering the last two games, that's a huge "gotcha!" for the town with no reasonable way to avoid it. So a bandwagon of Tar seems safest.

unvote, vote Tarhalindur

[Xylthixlm]

Aaand I wrote that post, had to step away from my computer, came back and posted it, and didn't see Tar's post.

I wonder who's the ghost this time.

unvote

[Xylthixlm]

LOGON: But nobody is dead. I call shenanigans.

Identification not recognized.
--Connection Terminated--

I see no attempt to communicate useful information in any of qwints's posts, PR or no PR. Which tells me that either qwints is faking a PR as an excuse to not contribute, or has a PR so drastic that he can't contribute.

vote qwints

[Xylthixlm]

Stop focusing on how he possibly could be useful in the future and start focusing on how he definitely isn't being useful now.

[Xylthixlm]

Stop focusing on how he possibly could be useful in the future and start focusing on how he definitely isn't being useful now.

useless people in such a large game like this don't need to be lynched. hopefully, there's some sort of vig to off him. no need to waste a lynch

Do you have a better lynch candidate right now?

[Xylthixlm]

Go ahead and play by the book, Caboose. I don't think it'll win us the game, though.

Indeed. I have never encountered a severe post restriction on a player that was not town-aligned. I once played a game in which I had an extraordinarily restrictive power role. It may be the proper play to remove players who cannot contribute, but I cannot comply. I wish to determine if we can discover a pattern. If anything, I would prefer to kill all of those without post restrictions.

Vote: Caboose

You are ignoring the possibility of a faked post restriction. Why?

[Xylthixlm]

I've seen PRs faked by scum more often than I've seen real PRs in games I've played.

Even if the PR is real, I don't think that qwints has no way of communicating usefully, I think he's just choosing not to. And on the chance that he really does have no way of communicating usefully, lynching him doesn't hurt very much.

In other words, I see a possible upside to lynching qwints, but no downside.

[Xylthixlm]

Survivor claim is utterly stupid and I am perfectly willing to lynch Empking for it.

[Xylthixlm]

It's

really

stupid to claim survivor any time before lylo, because lynching the survivor is usually good for a town. Since survivor will vote with the scum in endgame, lynching one doesn't bring a town loss any closer, but it does give all the protown power roles an extra night to get info.

I think I just convinced myself.

unvote, vote Empking

FoS qwints

[Xylthixlm]

I'm a survivor. I know that a role is looking to be a mason with me. I kept that secret. My ultimate is that when I claim I get a one shot NK immunity.

We need to lynch this guy before he can recruit a townie to his scumgroup.

[Xylthixlm]

So do you think Aeris is a seeking mason for a scum?

I think Aries is a variation on the "traitor" role with a role PM worded to sound like a seeking mason.

[Xylthixlm]

It appears you need to un-FOS before re-FOSing.

Hmm, I wonder what could possibly give you that idea... - Tar

[Xylthixlm]

I see 34 total votes listed in the vote count (26 votes placed, 8 players not voting). That suggests it's 18 to lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

It didn't say that when I started writing my post.

[Xylthixlm]

I see MafiaSSK got the perfect role for his playstyle.

[Xylthixlm]

Whoa, what? I'm gone for less than a day and a wagon pops out of nowhere and goes to hammer? Wow.

We're very efficient.

[Xylthixlm]

Think of it as a night start game except we have info.

[Xylthixlm]

Pretty sure Tar would have accounted for the fact that a Jester is sure to be lynched day 1 in the setup.

[Xylthixlm]

I am wayyyy too tired to read 17 pages, can sum1 fill me in.

Basically what DBG said and the fact that we have a juicy wagon prob filled with some scum that thought that Empking was just being retarded town.

Scum that think someone is being retarded town usually stay

off

the wagon.

[Xylthixlm]

vote: populartajo

FOS: qwints

[Xylthixlm]

I have a gut feeling on populartajo. Good enough reason to park my vote for now.

Faking a PR is inherently scummy.

[Xylthixlm]

So, why was I the only one saying the PR must be fake? Not counting Caboose, who was a jester.

[Xylthixlm]

2) Context (3)
11) pacman281292 (1)
12) qwints (0) - Context, Blakadder
15) Blakadder (2) - Vi
16) ShadowGirl (1)
18) XSilentSinX (0) - Kairyuu
22) Stef (1)
Tarhalindur (0) - qwints, Electra, ShadowGirl

There's something very strange going on here.

[Xylthixlm]

All votes are counting for the next person down on the player list. Votes on Tar wrap around to Context.

unvote popuarltajo, vote XSilentSinX

[Xylthixlm]

I'm studying Tarhalindur so I can emulate him in the next game I mod.

[Xylthixlm]

Someone is not reading the thread.

[Xylthixlm]

It might help if people voted e.g. "

vote: qwints

(BlakAdder)" to indicate who their vote is really going on.

[Xylthixlm]

unvote

I thought populartajo's play showed he has some info we don't, but a reread on him didn't pick up anything. No reason to go after him today.

vote: qwints

(BlakAdder)
Active lurking.

[Xylthixlm]

Not really. Meta me. It's not abnormal for me to play like this.

That just says that you normally play badly.

Meta

me

, and you'll find that I lynch people with a meta of playing badly.

[Xylthixlm]

One point of evidence that people who use "meta" as an excuse are scum.

Let's lynch BlakAdder and get a second.

[Xylthixlm]

Not really. This is just how I play, particularly around the first day or two in a large game.

so this is your response to the number of people voting for you..

It's hard to defend yourself when the only thing anyone has on you is "omg, opportunistic votes, diescumdie"

Try contributing.

[Xylthixlm]

Try Tarhalindur, but have a backup option ready if that isn't allowed.

[Xylthixlm]

Hi hasdgfas. Survivors get lynched on IRC when it's not lylo.

DGB, if someone needs to keep a vote on Tar to allow Tar to be lynched instead of Context, then Context is the only logical person to do it.

[Xylthixlm]

Hello everyone!

Never been in a Mod Screw game before. Should be fun.

Initiating reread...

I can summarize it for you:
Jesters.

You're welcome.

[Xylthixlm]

The talking mod is disconcerting me.

Cults are fun. Scary, but fun. I used to have a perfect win record as cult on IRC, but then people caught on to the fact that I was the first one recruited every time there was a cult.

Assume we wouldn't have anything so sane as a

normal

cult. I hope that means it's weaker. Worst case, we already have three cultists.

Agreed on lynching the mod-SK immediately. Whatever "powers" Tar granted can't be good...

vote: Machiavellian-Mafia

(Tarhalindur)

[Xylthixlm]

I think it's possible that Teal'c was an actual suicide (consider flavor...) and there were

no

kills yesterday.

Quotation marks around point of order in what was clearly supposed to be a mod post, to boot. Hmm. Something is amiss here.

The mod is being smug.

But yes, there's something weird about that post. I think we should disregard it.

[Xylthixlm]

(3)
Xyl: Tar's kill method is "suicided"

Consider me successfully mind screwed.

Carry on.

[Xylthixlm]

Mod: Please prod ZazieR

[Xylthixlm]

Damn you guys, you post a lot when I'm asleep ><

OK, guys, since I've lived to Day 3, my ultimate has been activated, and I've been given some inside information by the mod that I'd like to share with you, and he said it's OK.

We do indeed have a cult. We also have a player in the game not in the player list, but that might have been MafiaSSK.

Jesters, SK, cult... survivor and lyncher should be next.

I wonder if we even have a mafia at all.

[Xylthixlm]

I smell a lurker.

Vote: Stef

(Cephrir)

[Xylthixlm]

I was trying to get Context's posts and accidentally got Cephrir. I thought "I don't remember Context being

that

scummy." Then I noticed the name.

populartajo, why do you think DGB is scum?

[Xylthixlm]

populartajo's gut on DGB makes even less sense to me than Context's.

My gut tells me that DGB isn't scum.

[Xylthixlm]

I've made 6 posts. How is that a decent posting rate?

Games are not supposed to move this fast and my other games are currently a lot more demanding of my attention.

This game doesn't demand your attention because it's moving to fast? No, that doesn't make sense.

Your other games demand your attention more because they're moving faster? No, that doesn't make sense either.

I give up. How am I supposed to interpret that statement in a way which makes it not self-contradictory?

[Xylthixlm]

More than one person needs to go back and read Tar's role PM carefully. He had two kill abilities, with different conditions for using them.

Cephrir is lurking.

populartajo was giving me a funny feel day 1, but I didn't see anything specifically scummy. He's still giving me the feeling that he's hiding something important.

FoS populartajo

.

XSilentSinX looked like a newbie who really didn't belong in this game. Still waiting for content from Seraphim.

[Xylthixlm]

Question: If we knew who Chairman Mao was, should we lynch them?

[Xylthixlm]

I would not object to a populartajo lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

Yes, my mannerisms are rather obvious. I'm trying to decide if answering that is too much information though. Let me think about it.

Kinetic, seriously. If you want to seperate your alt from your main, use two different board patterns. You can change them in your profile. that's how I've avoided screwing up.

you kinda just admitted it . and if you are who i think you are then you're most likely town cuz i doubt this alignment is different from your previous one

Good catch.

[Xylthixlm]

I would not object to a populartajo lynch.

What's the case?

DGB's case, plus I have a gut feeling that populartajo is operating off secret info (which he pointedly failed to deny in post 759).

[Xylthixlm]

I've never seen someone be replaced by their own alt before.

[Xylthixlm]

So. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that our choices are DGB or populartajo. With Whack A Mole in effect, if we lynch scum first, then they come up scum and we have to lynch them again tomorrow. However, if we lynch town, we can lynch the other one tomorrow and come away with a cleared townie.

In other words, if you think that one of them is scum, you should vote for the one you think

isn't

scum.

unvote, vote Context

(DrippingGoofball)

[Xylthixlm]

We're investigating instead of lynching today.

[Xylthixlm]

We're investigating instead of lynching

today

until we reach enough votes to lynch, and then the vote count will be reset.

The best person to investigate is

not

necessarily the best person to lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

You are not confirmed unless a sane investigation occurs on you. This should be the case for anyone. Well, there are a couple other ways to be confirmed, but that's the main one. I also don't like how you are trying to make it look like if she flips scum, you can't be. Wouldn't it be interesting if you were both scum...

I'm starting to buy into DGB's theory of populartajo as a cult leader whose recruit attempt failed and is thus assuming DGB is non-town.

I think DGB's alignment will be illuminating, one way or the other.

[Xylthixlm]

Ok. I've been doing some serious thinking, and here is what I have decided:

@TehVariable: Explain your role. Immediately. I have reason to believe that you are Chairman Mao. You have used a power that was one of his powers in MS II. Regardless of the fact that it is a pro-town power, if you are Chairman Mao, you need to be removed so that we can see the rules. Therefore, I think we should lynch you when we are finished with the investigation lynch.

@all: Please allow TehVariable to respond to this post before you guys give your input.

I'm flabbergasted. I was trying to decide if Kairyuu is town, but I think I just got the answer. Here goes:

I have role info that Kairyuu used the ability "Dreams of Reality" yesterday.

That is, of course, Chairman Mao's ability from MS II.

And Kairyuu is advocating lynching someone for using one of the parts of the ability, on the assumption that they are Chairman Mao. However, he has the

whole

ability; if he wasn't Chairman Mao there's no way he'd support that assumption.

Kairyuu is Chairman Mao.

And since he thinks we should lynch Chairman Mao, but isn't claiming, it's pretty obvious he's not town.

FoS: Kairyuu

with strong intent to vote once Whack-A-Mole is over.

P.S. Yes, this is why I asked about Chairman Mao; I didn't put the ability name together with MS II until earlier today, and I wasn't sure whether it really meant Kairyuu was him until just now.
P.P.S. My ability was one shot only. I may or may not have other abilities which I'm not claiming.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm not sure whether I believe that claim, but as Kinetic said, we don't need to deal with Kairyuu today.

un-FoS

Back to Whack-A-Mole on DGB.

[Xylthixlm]

Just curious, why exactly are you voting me?
Im sick of this DGB-Tajo thing and this lazy town. There are people who are barely participating and people who we dont even have a read on.
Also, Im not a good investigation target, to be honest since I have a way to prove Im town and you'll be wasting an investigation on me.

Nothing short of the mod posting your alignment in thread will prove you're town, and even that I'd be wary of.

unvote, vote Seraphim

(populartajo)

If you have a better target let's hear it.

[Xylthixlm]

xylt: I just want to FOS based on the fact you are modding a game with Post restrictions. Post 65 looks very suspects.

Now that that game is over, I am free to say that the post restriction in the game I was modding was FAKED by the scum.

[Xylthixlm]

What is the condition of your ultimate?

[Xylthixlm]

Because a promise that your alignment will be revealed at some unspecified time in the future is worthless; you can just keep saying your condition hasn't been met yet.

You need to claim your condition so that if it gets met and your alignment is not announced we can lynch you.

[Xylthixlm]

It will eventually be revealed and Im thinking that revealing it to the scum will give them more advantage than to town.
If you are town, dont worry. Sooner or later my ultimate will go online and at the end, the idea is that Im going to be confirmed not how did I achieve my condition.
You are borderline fishing, Xyl and you know it.

I'm not fishing, I'm out-and-out asking. I have no reason to trust your claim because it is not disprovable.

We're letting DGB slide based on another claim of a pro-town action. I think tajo should get the same pass, at least for today.

We're letting DGB slide because

someone else

claimed that she will be confirmed, and gave the

specific event

that would confirm her. Pescc47's claim is disprovable, and that is what makes it useful.

[Xylthixlm]

Conjecture: populartajo is a neutral role. He is alignment will be revealed by the mod when he fulfills his win condition and leaves the game. He doesn't want to say what his win condition is for obvious reasons (lyncher on DGB perhaps?).

[Xylthixlm]

A claim which cannot be disproved because it is not specific provides no reason to trust you whatsoever.

I'm not sure why this is hard to understand.

[Xylthixlm]

You don't even have to give us your full ultimate condition. Just tell us some circumstance which will definitely result in it being fulfilled, so that if that happens and your PM isn't revealed we can lynch you as a liar. That will provide enough reason not to investigate you today.

[Xylthixlm]

You have not given us any way to confirm your alignment!

[Xylthixlm]

Vote on the wagon.... you mean the antitown player has to be lynched?

So, just to clarify: If we lynch scum, and you were the first, second, or third vote on the wagon, and your role PM is

not

posted, you will have no problem with being lynched?

In that case,

unvote

.

[Xylthixlm]

DGB (for voting for herself which would have caused town to waste an investigation)
Ceprir (for the same reason as DGB and lurking)

I fail to see how wanting to have yourself investigated is anti-town.

[Xylthixlm]

I believe Kairyuu, so

vote: Cephrir (Xylthixlm)

for the investigation.

WTF? Kairyuu

confirmed

my info.

[Xylthixlm]

@Xyl: Mind if I ask what the ability that allows you to know the name of my power is? I'm curious.

It was a one-shot ability to choose a player and learn the name of any non-Ultimate ability the player used that day. I can't tell you my ability's name because that would give away my role.

[Xylthixlm]

No.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm suddenly thinking it's more likely for Tarhalindur to put in a "punisher" role to discourage mass claims than a role that requires a mass claim to function.

[Xylthixlm]

I believe no one fully unless they are mod-confirmed (and in this game, probably not even then).


Still thinking about who our best investigation is.
Kairyuu is a waste, since we already know he's not town; the only possible benefit is if he's actually mafia, which is pretty unlikely.

populartajo is a waste because we'll be able to confirm his alignment sooner or later.

I'd rather not investigate a lurker, since if they come up innocent that will give them the ability to coast through the rest of the game.

My ideal investigation is someone who is somewhat scummy, will contribute usefully if they're town, and is hard to read without an investigation. I'm leaning towards DGB here.

[Xylthixlm]

Kairyuu: Why are you acting as if I accused you of being an SK who could kill people by knowing their origin, when I only mentioned a "punisher" role and

nothing

about what it might do?

[Xylthixlm]

For example, you could be a cult leader who can only recruit people by knowing their origin.

I think need to stop speculating before I become a whimpering ball convinced everyone else in the game is scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Of course, if he was a cult leader, I would have learned the name of his recruit action (assuming he would have tried guessing randomly).

I feel better.

[Xylthixlm]

Mod: Please prod Seraphim

[Xylthixlm]

Kairyuu's new claim makes more sense, but he's already admitted lying once. We can't afford to trust him. I say leave him alive for one day, and if he isn't vigged, lynch him tomorrow.

[Xylthixlm]

Kairyuu, what happened to the part about you needing to lynch Chairman Mao?

[Xylthixlm]

I'm very confident that Kairyuu's latest claim is also false. The reason he keeps lying has to be that a true claim would cause us to lynch him, either because he's scum or because he has some ability that's bad for the town. We should lynch him tomorrow at the latest.

[Xylthixlm]

Kairyuu's original claim was a way to explain away the evidence that he's Chairman Mao. Since then, he's revised his claim in such a way that it no longer explains away that evidence. Why did he feel the need to explain it away in the first place? Why doesn't his current claim explain it? The only good answer is that he's still lying, and the most likely reason is that he is Chairman Mao.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm up for a Kairyuu lynch, for reasons already stated.

populartajo should vote.

[Xylthixlm]

We need populartajo as one of the first three votes.

[Xylthixlm]

vote: malthusis

(Kairyuu)

[Xylthixlm]

Tar's being very free with the info for some reason. Takes some of the fun out of it.

I think we can safely count Vi as the cult leader.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, what makes you say Vi is/was the cult leader?

He was anti-town, and wasn't shown as "SK" or "Mafia". The description fits pretty well, too.

[Xylthixlm]

StrangerCoug, are you cult?

[Xylthixlm]

Kinetic, are you mafia?

[Xylthixlm]

...

......

.........

............

Okay, I'll bite. Why would you have answered it differently yesterday, and what answer would you have given?

[Xylthixlm]

Meanwhile, malthusis is lurking.

Vote: Kinetic

(malthusis)

[Xylthixlm]

Oops. I thought Tarhalindur said "SK". I still think Vi was probably cult leader, based on the flavor of his death ("all he wanted was for people to learn the Khala's light"), but I'm less sure.

If cult in this game looks like the cult of pacifism in one of Tar's previous games, then cultists got an alternative second win condition, and can win by fulfilling either. Anyone think they know what the second win condition is?

[Xylthixlm]

In the previous game (I forget which one it was) the cult win condition was for there to be a nolynch.

[Xylthixlm]

Basically, if there is a cult like Tar's previous one, there is now some action X such that:
* Doing X results in an immediate loss for the town, and win for the cult.
* There are an ever-increasing number of players who know what X is, and win if it happens.

For balance reasons, X would have to be something that the town would be fairly unlikely to do spontaneously, but could be persuaded into.

Until we know for sure what the cult win condition is, we should be

very

careful.

[Xylthixlm]

Something like vote for a rule to be lynched?

Yes, although there's an even more likely possibility.

[Xylthixlm]

Is there a reason that you're not coming right out and saying what you're getting at?

Yes. I think we'll get more information if I let people speculate for a bit. I'm also curious if anyone else will see what I see, or if I'm just chasing shadows.

[Xylthixlm]

We have a dead scum to analyze. Unfortunately it's DGB.

Day 1: DGB is all in on the Empking lynch. No info there.

Day 2: DGB goes after BlakAdder and stay there. Minor swipe at Context. Seems to know something about malthusis's daykill.

High probability of scum in this list of non-commital, chicken players:

veerus, malthusis, ZazieR, DragonsofSummer, pacman281292, ShadowGirl, The Central Scrutinizer, XSilentSinX, populartajo, Stef, Cephrir

mathusis must be allowed to speak out before we hammer Tar.

malthusis should put his boots on and not waste time.

Day 3: DGB accuses populartajo of being cultist/cult recruiter. Possibly suspects that populartajo tried to recruit her and failed? Seems happy to be investigated but scared to be killed. Believes Kairyuu. Sucks up to me. Switches to not believing Kairyuu. Throws suspicion on StrangerCoug for defending Kairyuu.

I'm going with what Dreams of Reality was in the past...

I very much doubt that Tar would make out lives so easy as to repeat everything from the past, roles and alignments.

That was a jesteriffic end of day.

???????

You taken your pills today?

As a matter of fact, no... they gave me Kool-Aid.

I'm probably wrong, but I can't help but think that Kairyuu is another Jester, and StrangerCoug is going to lose and die as as his Jester twin.

It's the most likely explanation for yesterday's events that my feeble mind can muster.

[Xylthixlm]

I'd like to say I don't believe Kinetic's claim, but I used the same (or a similar) mechanic in a game I modded. I guess great minds

squashed banana

.

I think lynching Mao would be a good thing, but there might be a more compelling reason not to lynch.

Second hp[leaves]'s question: Kinetic, what was the condition for your ultimate?

[Xylthixlm]

If you guys have read what I can do with a lot of information on the set-up (see Freaktown and B5), given enough information I can break a set-up.

Are you suggesting a mass claim?

[Xylthixlm]

If you don't want a mass claim, why the comment about "given enough information"?

[Xylthixlm]

Well, let's see.

Death Note - Each day, you may name a player and a word or phrase that has been posted by that player in the thread. If the targeted player has received a mod PM which contains an ability whose name is the chosen word or phrase, that player will be killed. (For example, the name of this ability is Death Note.)

Indeed. I have never encountered a severe post restriction on a player that was not town-aligned. I once played a game in which I had an extraordinarily restrictive power role. It may be the proper play to remove players who cannot contribute, but I cannot comply. I wish to determine if we can discover a pattern. If anything, I would prefer to kill all of those without post restrictions.

It looks like The Central Scrutinizer might have breadcrumbed an ability name in his first post. Based on the contorted grammar, I'm guessing it was called "I cannot comply".

Finally, I have here a message from my dearly departed player aspect. He would like to give you two hints: "first, it's a safe bet that players who are lynched or daykilled can still submit abilities until their alignment is revealed; second, it's also a safe bet that just because you are lynched or vigged does not mean that any abilities you submitted are removed from the stack (just like MTG, really); and third, it's a bad idea for a Mafioso to quote a post containing the words "Mafia falseclaim" when the mechanism of my player aspect's Death Note was posted in the thread. Right, DGB?" Wait, that was three hints you say? No, it was two hints and some gloating over DGB's impending death. Goodbye, Kaname Chidori, we hardly knew ye. Or, as the town will be saying, good riddance."

This makes it pretty clear that the kill on DGB was submitted after player-Tarhalindur was daykilled but before mod-Tarhalindur revealed his alignment. It then sat there until the end of the day, when it took effect along with all the other day abilities (despite the player who did it being dead). And the ability name was "Mafia falseclaim".

[Xylthixlm]

Don't forget that player-Tarhalindur mentioned a cult, too. I think it's safest to assume there is one.

We've had three days, so there's a maximum of 3 cultists + the leader. I have a strong suspicion that at least one of the dead players was culted, and I'm hoping that Vi was the cult leader. That leaves at most two cultists. I'm still looking for clues to their identity.

If this works like Tar's previous cult, then the cultists probably keep their old win condition too, and eliminating the cult isn't necessary for town to win. We should concentrate on finding the mafia while being careful not to trigger a cult win.

[Xylthixlm]

I'd rather be paranoid than suddenly lose due to a cult win, thank you.

[Xylthixlm]

Based on the evidence available to me, zero unless it's possible to be culted without knowing.

[Xylthixlm]

If someone died and was culted, would it show?

I think it's safest to assume "no". As I said, I have a strong suspicion that one dead player was culted at the time they died.

[Xylthixlm]

dahill1, Asuka Langley Soryuu (from Neon Genesis Evangelion), Townie Bodyguard, Excommunicated Day 3
veerus, Georgia Lass (from Dead Like Me), Townie Speaker for the Dead, Mysteriously Died Day 3

So which of these 2 would be the likely one?

Which player claimed that something really good would happen for the town if the town did something moderately unusual, even if the player in question was already dead?

[Xylthixlm]

Player-Tar is dead. I don't really see the point, unless you think he can still make kills for some reason that wasn't written in his role PM. He was able to kill yesterday because

he was alive yesterday

. (And I already quoted Tar's post where he said exactly what the ability name was.)

[Xylthixlm]

Due to Tar's ability, DGB died yesterday because she said the words mafia safeclaim. And I'm saying it probably won't work because that was yesterday and the key words change every day.

I have no idea what the heck you're talking about.

[Xylthixlm]

Did anyone else notice how screwy that last vote count is?

ShadowGirl needs to reread that ability and notice that it doesn't say "today" anywhere. All you need to do is use the name of one of your abilities in the thread, and you're a potential target for the rest of the game. (I'm not sure if my saying "Dreams of Reality" counted - I got the name in a PM, not the whole ability). Regardless, since player-Tar is dead it doesn't matter unless someone else has the same ability.

[Xylthixlm]

Did anyone else notice how screwy that last vote count

FoS votes, anyone? (Both you and Kinetic have one FoS each).

That could explain the extra vote on Kinetic. There's no extra vote (or FoS) on me. That leaves:

What happened to hasdgfas's vote on StrangerCoug?
What happened to populartajo's vote on hasdgfas?
Where did the vote on Cephrir come from?

[Xylthixlm]

Currently, I'm not liking Kinetic/Context because of his daily "HAST** HAST** HAST**"

You fool! You've doomed us all!

[Xylthixlm]

@Xyl : It does say 'each day', so I just assumed it would be different... each day. :/

Tar got to

choose

the phrase, so the net effect was enabling him to kill anyone who said one of their ability names in thread.

For example, if DGB had an ability called "Mafia falseclaim" and said the words "Mafia falseclaim" in thread, then Tar could choose DGB and "Mafia falseclaim" for his ability and kill DGB.

Now do you get it?

[Xylthixlm]

Natirasha's votecount killed the game.

[Xylthixlm]

I totally forget who we're lynching today.

Who were we lynching?

[Xylthixlm]

Can I blame Tarhalindur for killing my brain?

Player-Tar or mod-Tar?

[Xylthixlm]

I don't claim faking it was pro-town. I don't think it hurt the town too much, and I would have stopped sooner had it proved problematic.

This is almost a claim of "not town".

[Xylthixlm]

I can't remember why Kinetic has to die either, but I'm sure there was a reason.

unvote Kinetic

(malthusis)

vote Machiavellian-Mafia

(Kinetic)

[Xylthixlm]

No, he didn't claim scum. He pointed out that there was no known upside to a mass ability-quote, since the player with the death note ability was dead. Given the uncertainty in this game, particularly the cult, I'd say not quoting was the smart thing to do.

[Xylthixlm]

Incidentally, I notice that Tar put "Mafia falseclaim" in one of his posts as a trap to get someone to quote it. I wonder how many other ability names he dropped for the same reason?

[Xylthixlm]

qwints did something not pro-town. The possible reasons are that he's incompetent or that he isn't town. He knew it wasn't pro-town, so it wasn't incompetence. That leaves "not town".

[Xylthixlm]

I'm counting "town with an added win condition" as "not town".

[Xylthixlm]

I've made more than twice as many posts as Kinetic and he "can't remember my contributions to this game".

[Xylthixlm]

EBWOP: Yeah, I forgot to count Context too. So I've just posted more than Kinetic/Context, not twice as much.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm counting "town with an added win condition" as "not town".

And this makes sense how?

This is an interesting philosophical question. Does towniness depend on having the town win condition exactly?

[Xylthixlm]

vote:Cephrir

xyl, now you're just being dense. Every player in the game has an additional condition to fulfill - their ultimate. That combined with others' observation that you seem to be active lurking deserves my vote.

You don't have to fulfil your ultimate condition to win. And if you were just trying to fulfil it because it is an awesome ability, then this is wrong:

I don't claim faking it was pro-town. I don't think it hurt the town too much, and I would have stopped sooner had it proved problematic.

because if activating your ultimate is good for the town, then faking it

would

have been pro-town.

As for active lurking, maybe you should read the game. I've contributed way more useful discussion than you have.

[Xylthixlm]

Kinetic is scum, and qwints is a godfather.

You heard it here first.

[Xylthixlm]

For the purpose of my argument about qwints, "town with added win condition" fits in the "not town" category as opposed to the "incompetent" category. A townie with an added win condition may have a good reason to do things which are bad for the town (consider townie+jester for instance).

In this case qwints's wording makes me think he's either town plus he has to activate his ultimate to win, or neutral, or scum.

[Xylthixlm]

... all of which I am lumping together as "not town", as in "has a win condition not identical to the normal town win condition".

[Xylthixlm]

The thing I did to activate my ultimate would still be anti-town if I failed to activate my ultimate.

So you're saying that your fake post restriction was a bad idea?

[Xylthixlm]

For the purpose of my argument about qwints, "town with added win condition" fits in the "not town" category as opposed to the "incompetent" category. A townie with an added win condition may have a good reason to do things which are bad for the town (consider townie+jester for instance).

Answer this for me then: Suppose you and I are lovers and you do not know that I am scum. Your win condition reads, "Under normal circumstances, you win when all threats to the town have been eliminated from the game; however, if StrangerCoug is scum and he wins, so do you if the two of you are alive." Are you, therefore, not town because I'm not either, even though that's not something you would know?

That's why it's an interesting philosophical question. I don't think that particular case is relevant to the game right now, though.

[Xylthixlm]

There's something extremely strange with that votecount...

The Forty-First Vote Count (aka The "Do All Unvotes Work?" Vote Count)

... hmmmm.

unvote

testing.

[Xylthixlm]

It's still beyond me why you plausibly could have called qwints "not town" over something philosophical, Xylthixlm.

What I meant was that I think his win condition is not the normal town win condition. Whether I was correct in calling that "not town" is the philosophical question.

[Xylthixlm]

That's a lot of words to say "OMGUS".

Kinetic - Tarhalindur claimed the kill of DGB in the very post where he announced her dead!

And

said why the kill happened despite him being dead. Do you just completely ignore italicized flavor text or what?

Because remember, Tar didn't make it into the night phase, he was day-vigged before that could happen.

There is no night. If you're as sharp as you claim, I have trouble believing you wouldn't know that.

I didn't know exactly how Night Actions resolved, principally because I don't have any Night Actions for which to resolve, nor have I ever played in a Tar game where I have had any Night actions.

There are no Night Actions. There are only day actions. I find it hard to believe that you have

no

actions, not even an ultimate.


Kinetic is scum and needs to die. I'll be putting my vote back on as soon as there's a vote count.

[Xylthixlm]

The Forty-Second Vote Count (aka The "Cattle Ranching" Vote Count)

2) Kinetic/Context (5) - populartajo
28) Machiavellian-Mafia (1) - hp [leaves], TehVariable, Xylthixlm, Machiavellian-Mafia

Not Voting (7): malthusis, ShadowGirl, Pesco47, Stef, Cephrir

The Forty-Third Vote Count (aka The "Illusion or Reality?" Vote Count)

2) Kinetic/Context (5) - populartajo
28) Machiavellian-Mafia (1) - hp [leaves], TehVariable, Machiavellian-Mafia, hasdgfas

Not Voting (7): malthusis, ShadowGirl, Pesco47, Stef, Cephrir, Xylthixlm

Insufficient data.

vote Machiavellian-Mafia

(Kinetic/Context)

[Xylthixlm]

The Forty-Third Vote Count (aka The "Illusion or Reality?" Vote Count)

2) Kinetic/Context (5) - populartajo
28) Machiavellian-Mafia (1) - hp [leaves], TehVariable, Machiavellian-Mafia, hasdgfas

Not Voting (7): malthusis, ShadowGirl, Pesco47, Stef, Cephrir, Xylthixlm

The Forty-Fourth Vote Count (aka The "No Unvote For You!" Vote Count)

2) Kinetic/Context (5) - populartajo
28) Machiavellian-Mafia (1) - hp [leaves], TehVariable, Machiavellian-Mafia, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm

Not Voting (7): malthusis, ShadowGirl, Pesco47, Stef, Cephrir

It appears I can't unvote (or can't vote).

I wonder where my vote is.

[Xylthixlm]

There is no night. If you're as sharp as you claim, I have trouble believing you wouldn't know that.

The fact is you're arguing semantics and then calling me stupid for not using the exact word/phrase the mod uses.

First, I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you smart and therefore scum.

Second, it's not a matter of "exact word/phrase". Night actions and day actions which resolve at twilight are

mechanically different

. By calling them night actions you are at best confusing yourself, and at worst trying to confuse the town.

[Xylthixlm]

Except for the minor detail that someone who is daykilled or lynched still has their action go through, which, you know, turned out to be kind of relevant to the game. I know you're smart enough to see that, so your denial has to be the result of either cognitive dissonance or flat-out lying.

[Xylthixlm]

Kinetic, what do you think about qwints?

[Xylthixlm]

Mod: Please prod malthusis, TehVariable, The Internet, Seraphim, Stef, Cephrir, and Electra

[Xylthixlm]

There's something extremely strange with that votecount...

The Forty-First Vote Count (aka The "Do All Unvotes Work?" Vote Count)

... hmmmm.

unvote

testing.

[Xylthixlm]

Look at where my vote is listed as being in the votecounts. It moves, but the vote totals don't change.

[Xylthixlm]

That would explain why those two haven't posted recently.

[Xylthixlm]

Pesco, see if you can find a pattern in Kinetic's suspicions for today.

[Xylthixlm]

unvote

in case it does anything useful

[Xylthixlm]

Who is to say that Mao can't be neutral? I agree with DGB completely. Whack someone else and lynch kair if we don't hit scum on the whack.

Look what Kinetic said day 2, when he (supposedly) knew his role.

[Xylthixlm]

EBWOP: That was day 3. My bad. Forgot what day we're on.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh wait, Kinetic never actually claimed the condition for his ultimate activating. For some reason I thought he claimed it activated earlier.

Yes, I have a short attention span.

[Xylthixlm]

Uh yeah. "I have an idea, and to test it we need to put 11 votes on someone else"? If Kinetic was town, he wouldn't need to come up with such a bizarro plan to avoid nolynch, he could just let himself get lynched.

I'd say vote stays, but I don't think I really have a choice here.

[Xylthixlm]

Really? Looks like trapped scum to me. We'll find out soon enough.

[Xylthixlm]

Uh yeah. I'm pretty sure it's a Cult of Mass Claim. (Getting that out there in case I die tonight.)

[Xylthixlm]

... today. Whatever.

[Xylthixlm]

Scum need to hurry it up. I need my mafia fix.

[Xylthixlm]

Nyeh, I'm bored...should we kill pesco now?

Tempting, although I'd be happier about it if I wasn't on The List.

[Xylthixlm]

Kinetic was pushing pretty hard on M-M yesterday. He was also aggressively defensive when hasdgfas pushed him.

[Xylthixlm]

So. We have 14 alive. Pesco's death will investigate 5 people, but DGB is already dead. There are two mafia dead, which means probably 3 or 4 left alive.

So if we lynch Pesco today, that's ~12 alive tomorrow with 4 confirmed innocents and ~3 mafia... useful, but not enough to guarantee a win.

[Xylthixlm]

Not sure I believe that the cult win condition is to kill the high council, but it does sort of fit with cult trying to get a mass claim.

I'm still hopeful that the cult leader was Vi, otherwise we're kind of screwed.

[Xylthixlm]

StrangerCoug: If the cult leader is still alive the town's chance of winning is really low, although individual townies could still win with the cult.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm guessing that the cult here works like it does in B5, mainly because that's the only way I can explain Kairyuu's bizarre behavior leading up to his lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

Is SK-tar alive again? o_O

[Xylthixlm]

I'm up for a Pesco lynch. I don't know whether today's inspect will go through though, so there might only be 4 useful results.

[Xylthixlm]

Lynch Pesco.

[Xylthixlm]

vote: populartajo

(Pesco)

[Xylthixlm]

Protip: Don't post in game threads unless you're playing. If you want to replace, PM the mod.

[Xylthixlm]

qwints = TOWN
TehVariable (aka forbiddanlight) = TOWN
DrippingGoofball = MAFIA
Kinetic = TOWN

2) Kinetic (rep. Context), Chairman Mao (from the card game Mao), Mafia Communist, Lynched Day 4

My targets again, in order: qwints, Variable, DGB (moot), Xyl

I call shennanigans.

[Xylthixlm]

Could be.

Something

screwed up that result. And the last one too, I'm guessing, since I don't see why Pesco would investigate himself.

[Xylthixlm]

hp [leaves]: I'm missing something. What's wrong with the iamausername result?

[Xylthixlm]

Oh, right. iamausername=Cephrir was Whack-A-Moled, so there would be no reason to investigate him.

[Xylthixlm]

Kills so far:

Talked to Death (forbiddanlight)
Excommunicated (Aries777777, dahill1)
Suicided (The Central Scrutinizer, DrippingGoofball) - Claimed by Tar
Killed Like A Man (Tarhalindur) - Claimed by malthusis
Killed by the Wrath of Mod (ZazieR)
Mysteriously Died (veerus)
Nuked (Vi)
Died a Martyr (malthusis) - Presumably malthusis's role ability
Liquefied (hasdgfas)

... that's a lot of kill methods. I hope there isn't one killer per method.

[Xylthixlm]

vote: StrangerCoug

(skitzer)

obvscum.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm more curious who is speaking through Tar now.

[Xylthixlm]

ShadowGirl: full claim, please.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh, isn't it obvious? It's Kinetic.

I'm hoping it isn't, because if Kinetic

is

a death miller, that likely means there are still four or five scum left... which puts us either in LyLo or one day away.

[Xylthixlm]

Good point.

[Xylthixlm]

Now I

really

want a ShadowGirl full claim.

[Xylthixlm]

I'd like to hear qwints's reaction to that claim.

[Xylthixlm]

I don't see how kill immunity fits the flavor of HAL-9000 at all. And the claimed conditions for kill immunity (day 5

and

50% of FOS's?) don't make much sense.

Pondering.

[Xylthixlm]

Wait. You said your ability

copies

nonkill abilities back to their owner, right? It doesn't

redirect

them?

[Xylthixlm]

I don't believe ShadowGirl's claim.

vote qwints

(ShadowGirl)

[Xylthixlm]

skitzer, who do you think is scum right now?

[Xylthixlm]

qwints- when ShadowGirl claimed her ultimate my first thought was that it sounds a

lot

like what you seem to have. (That's why I asked for your reaction.) Too close to be likely... I'm guessing she actually has some sort of ability duplication power.

[Xylthixlm]

!!!

And someone (probably scum) just killed TehVariable, who was voting ShadowGirl, using an ability that we know malthusis had earlier.

[Xylthixlm]

Vir4030: Keep in mind that the cult leader would have the cult win condition right out of the gate.

I don't think it's FOSes, but I'm throwing that out there.

[Xylthixlm]

Vote: ShadowGirl

in case that isn't a mod mistake.

This game is slowing down, too many people not voting. Take a stand, people. Who do you think is scum?

[Xylthixlm]

I'm having trouble deciding between them actually.

[Xylthixlm]

Being back after the mandatory deadline is not helpful. At least vote someone while you're here.

[Xylthixlm]

Compute : All non kill abilities will be copied back to their origin.

Reflector: All non kill abilities will be redirected back to their owner.

Funny how the ability name changed between your two claims.

[Xylthixlm]

Well, just in case.

unvote

vote qwints

(shadowgirl)

SG seems like mafia who has decided her lynch is inevitable and is trying to give her scumbuddies cover to bus her.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh, and needless to say I do

not

believe ShadowGirl's current claim about the FOS's. It wouldn't even work - if she needs the FOS's at the end of the day, she'd be dead before she could use the ability.

[Xylthixlm]

You don't want to be confirmed?

[Xylthixlm]

I am opposed to unnecessary claims today. Giving extra information to the scum if skitzer is town outweighs the possible benefit.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm thinking populartajo is SG's scumbuddy.

[Xylthixlm]

I find dead scum very relaxing.

[Xylthixlm]

SG: You're mafia, probably with tajo.

tajo: Frankly, you're scummy enough that you don't get to choose when to end the day. Lynch will happen when it happens, and you don't have the luxury of being the last person to decide your vote.

[Xylthixlm]

unvote, vote qwints

(ShadowGirl)

[Xylthixlm]

Could someone explain why ShadowGirl isn't lynched yet?

[Xylthixlm]

Seraphim was already voting ShadowGirl, so she's still at L-1.

zwetschenwasser: Seraphim seems to be lurking. I'll take a closer look at him and skitzer tomorrow.

[Xylthixlm]

ShadowGirl: If you

are

telling the truth, you should reflect someone of your choice and not say who.

[Xylthixlm]

WTF? That didn't even make any sense.

Someone hammer ShadowGirl already. She's all but admitted she's scum. Come on. zwetschenwasser? iamausername?

[Xylthixlm]

Finally!

[Xylthixlm]

You didn't even give her a chance... DUMB***

A chance to

what

? To change her claim a fifth time? Or is it fifth, I lost count.