[SETUP] NewD3 Remix

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[SETUP] NewD3 Remix

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:39 pm

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This is me replacing NewD3 roles with some more unusual roles

Not sure if this is even balanced lol

ABC
Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon
Row 1
Town Bulwark and Town Doctor
Town Shield and Town Neighborizer
Town Bulwark and Vanilla Townie
Row 2
Town Thaumaturge and Town Shield
Town Thaumaturge and Town Neighborizer
Town Thaumaturge and Vanilla Townie
Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Shield and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason


One row and column are selected at random to provide 2 town and 1 scum roles; the remaining slots are filled with 1 Mafia Goon and 5 Vanilla Townies.

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The Mafia has inherent multitasking, they may kill and roleblock/role cop at the same time.

Roles:

Roleblocker - Blocks abilities.
Rolecop - Learns a player's role.
Bulwark - Blocks the kill.
Doctor - Protects from kills.
Shield - Blocks a kill, though dies if a kill is blocked.
Neighborizer - Adds players to their neighborhood PT.
Thaumaturge - Learns if a player is exactly one of {Town, Vanilla}.
Mason - Is in a Private Topic with the other Mason, and confirmed Town to each other.
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Post Post #2 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:17 pm

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In post 1, Dannflor wrote: isn't this super scum sided
hmm maybe I could change the roles a bit

Bulwark has the unique ability of both preventing deaths and obtaining guilties, so it was chosen to replace the Cop, so I'm not really wanting to move Bulwark around.

Thaumaturge becomes very strong after massclaim but is weak before massclaim. Maybe it should replace a role that isn't the Jailkeeper.
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Post Post #3 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:29 pm

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hopefully this makes more sense from a balance standpoint:

decided to place Bulwark in Jailkeeper's spot instead

ABC
Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon
Row 1
Town Watcher and Town Doctor
Town Thaumaturge and Town Neighborizer
Town Watcher and Vanilla Townie
Row 2
Town Bulwark and Town Thaumaturge
Town Bulwark and Town Neighborizer
Town Bulwark and Vanilla Townie
Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Thaumaturge and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason


Roles:

Roleblocker - Blocks abilities.
Rolecop - Learns a player's role.
Watcher - Learns who targeted a player.
Doctor - Protects from kills.
Thaumaturge - Learns if a player is exactly one of {Town, Vanilla}.
Neighborizer - Adds players to their neighborhood PT.
Bulwark - Blocks the kill.
Mason - Is in a Private Topic with the other Mason, and confirmed Town to each other.



If Thaumaturge is too powerful of a Tracker replacement, I'll switch out Thaumaturge with Neapolitan.
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Post Post #6 (isolation #3) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:08 pm

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Watcher can target a likely nightkill and get a guilty, so I think Watcher is equivalent to Cop in power

This setup is meant to be NewD3 with different roles with equivalent balance
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Post Post #8 (isolation #4) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:35 am

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I'm hesitant to replace tracker with watcher, considering watcher is widely considered to be stronger than tracker

and thaumaturge relies on claiming roles to be powerful
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Post Post #10 (isolation #5) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:00 am

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In post 9, Cook wrote: thaum finds goons and PRs, right?
thaumaturge gets a positive result on town power role and mafia goon, and a negative result on vanilla townie and mafia power role

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Post Post #14 (isolation #6) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:09 am

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thaumaturge isn't Neapolitan or Goon Cop or "TPR Cop" or "SPR Cop"
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Post Post #16 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:32 pm

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In post 15, DragonEater70 wrote: I agree with Dannflor, if you want it to feel like NewD3 and be about as balanced, then Cop should be converted to Neapolitan and Tracker should be Watcher.
I like Bulwark as JK rep.
Maybe change Doctor for Rolestopper as well?
alright I'll create that variant for v1.2 of NewD3 Remix:

ABC
Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon
Row 1
Town Neapolitan and Town Rolestopper
Town Watcher and Town Neighborizer
Town Neapolitan and Vanilla Townie
Row 2
Town Bulwark and Town Watcher
Town Bulwark and Town Neighborizer
Town Bulwark and Vanilla Townie
Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Watcher and Town Rolestopper
Town Mason and Town Mason


Roles:

Roleblocker - Blocks abilities.
Rolecop - Learns a player's role.
Neapolitan - Learns if a player is a Vanilla Townie or not.
Rolestopper - Protects from all abilities.
Watcher - Learns who targeted a player.
Neighborizer - Adds players to their neighborhood PT.
Bulwark - Blocks the kill.
Mason - Is in a Private Topic with the other Mason, and confirmed Town to each other.
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