[SETUP] IC Forge

[TemporalLich]

Another attempt at a setup with an IC mechanic, this time with a power role chosen by vote. IC means either Innocent Child or Inexperience Challenged depending on your viewpoint.

IC Forge

13 players

1 Mafia Role Cop

2 Mafia Goons

1 Town IC

1 Town Mason 1-shot Doctor

1 Town Power Role

7 Vanilla Townies

1 slot is designated as the IC slot. This slot must be signed up for separately from the other 12 slots, 5 games of experience is required to sign up for the IC slot, and the IC slot is given the

Town IC

role and confirmed to be the

Town IC

at the start of the game.

The rest of the roles are randomized normally, including the

Town Power Role

role.

The Mason shares a Private Topic with the IC.

The game thread is open for a 48 hour phase known as Day 0, where players must vote on a town power role out of three. The possible town power roles are

Bodyguard

,

Bulwark

(roleblocks killing abilities), and

Cop

. The player to be assigned the town power role will be the one with the

Town Power Role

role PM. The town power role vote is decided by plurality.

The

Town Power Role

flips as the chosen town power role.

After Day 0 starts Day 1. Day and Night phases are normal after Day 1.

Sample Role PMs:

Spoiler: Role PMs

Mafia Role Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Role Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla".

You and your partners share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partners share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town IC

Welcome!

You are a

Town IC

.

As you have signed up for the IC slot, your role card is immediately revealed in the game thread and you are thus known as the

Town IC

.

You share a Private Thread (PT) with the

Town Mason 1-shot Doctor

, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason 1-shot Doctor

.

You share a Private Thread (PT) with the

Town IC

, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You may target one player once in the game during the night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Power Role

Welcome!

You are a

Town Power Role

.

Your power role, which may be

Bodyguard

,

Bulwark

, or

Cop

, is determined by the Day 0 vote.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

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Town Bodyguard

Welcome!

You are a

Town Bodyguard

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. If you successfully protect from a kill, you will die instead. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Bulwark

Welcome!

You are a

Town Bulwark

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing a killing action, if any.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

[Ircher]

Wouldn't everyone just vote for Cop? Also IC + Cop + Mason vs. Role Cop seems rather town-sided.

[TemporalLich]

Cop and Doctor should be equivalent in the setup, the Bulwark exists as a flashy high swing option

considering the setup might be townsided, I'm considering giving the Mafia a Jailkeeper as well.

If Bulwark is still too weak despite being able to both get a guilty and prevent a kill in this setup, I'd actually go for Town Roleblocker as one of the potential Town Power Role choices.

[Something_Smart]

Seems like a relatively unfun setup if doctor is chosen. It's optimal for the IC to direct lims so the mason doesn't get outed, and the IC won't be killable for a while. Especially since whoever signed up as IC probably wants to lead the town.

Cop version is less problematic but also, as Ircher pointed out, pretty townsided.

[TemporalLich]

I'm not sure what other power role to give to the Mafia...

I do want this to be a newbie-friendly setup however.

I'm thinking of giving the Mafia a Roleblocker, and possibly switching out the Doctor for a Bodyguard as well.

[Something_Smart]

The voting mechanic feels pretty weird for a newbie game, I feel like the newbies would feel drowned out during that decision phase by people who know more about mechanics (not to mention the IC).

Bulwark probably should be roleblocker. It would still be the weakest of the three choices, and it's both a simpler and a more common role to introduce newbies to.

[TemporalLich]

I was hoping the voting mechanic would enable mechanic discussion and setup spec. The alternative would be having the power role pick a power during pregame, but not sure how that would work out in a setup that is meant to be newbie-friendly.

I'm wondering if these changes would be good for the setup:

Replace one of the Mafia Goons with a Mafia Roleblocker

Change the Town Power Role choices to Bodyguard, Cop, and Roleblocker

hopefully Bodyguard allows for a protective role choice while not being too centralizing

[Something_Smart]

Is the bodyguard not just gonna guard the IC and die N1?

[TemporalLich]

I don't think the bodyguard not guarding the IC on Night 1 is a likely possibility.

I still want one of the choices to be protective, but not sure if 1-shot Doctor or Indecisive Doctor would work better.

[TemporalLich]

v1.1 update:

The Mason now has a 1-shot Doctor ability

Changed the Town Power Role choices to Bodyguard, Bulwark, and Cop

[Jingle]

Would definitely go 1 shot over indecisive because multiple successful protections is backbreaking for scum and the interesting Nash Equilibrium choice still exists with 1 shot.

Also, 1 shot is the more common/easily explained modifier, even if indecisive is pretty simple.

[TemporalLich]

Would definitely go 1 shot over indecisive because multiple successful protections is backbreaking for scum and the interesting Nash Equilibrium choice still exists with 1 shot.

Also, 1 shot is the more common/easily explained modifier, even if indecisive is pretty simple.

would you want 1-shot doctor be one of the Town Power Role choices if the Mason already is a 1-shot doctor?

not sure what I could add to balance it, maybe scum should have a roleblocker in this setup

[Jingle]

Combining the mason and the power role is an answer to needing fewer named roles in a smaller game. In a 13p I'd definitely keep them separate. Actually, thinking about it indecisive is probably better balanced in a 13p anyway, I was still somewhat in the 8p headspace thinking of limited days for the setup to run.

[TemporalLich]

Combining the mason and the power role is an answer to needing fewer named roles in a smaller game. In a 13p I'd definitely keep them separate. Actually, thinking about it indecisive is probably better balanced in a 13p anyway, I was still somewhat in the 8p headspace thinking of limited days for the setup to run.

okay, so indecisive doctor as a role choice, but remove 1-shot doctor from the mason for this setup?

oh and IC Basic is a 9p setup, not an 8p setup.