Replacing out

[DkKoba]

ego

i feel like i've seen both "scum pockets townie to be their wrong vote in lylo, townie reps out, pocket gone" and "limbait townie close to yeet, reps out, replacement townspews, misyeet gone" situations happen because people lost interest in the game

there's most likely been "scum being scumread, reps out, great scum player reps in and saves slot" situations too,

though i can't remember specific examples off the top of my head for that one

like i said in the other thread, replacements hurt the flow of the game, and there should be a system in that *strongly* encourages finishing games you signed up for, though again i don't know a way to properly implement that in practice

cmon bro

[DkKoba]

In my experience, replacements are strongly AI.

If you want to hone your scum game, hit up the replacement thread and chances are you're going to end up with a scum slot.

I believe that the situation has gotten much worse over the history of the site. I would say that about 60-70% of my personal replacements were scum slots recently.

Sadly can echo this.

It's a pandemic and as newer players come in, they see that sandbagging as scum to get to the next town game is okay, it just snowballs down the hill...

Funny because I have had the opposite experience in my completed games where I was a replacement.

[DkKoba]

I support some level of flake management being implemented that is above what is currently done, whereas MU's system is a little too strict and forces players to interact with people they might not want to anymore in a game, ultimately it is the game mod's job to take care of players being problematic and not having people leave around 1 player's behavior.

Incentivizing being more conservative about your replace outs while acknowledging circumstances change with how long our deadlines are here. we need a middle ground here

[DkKoba]

I don't know, I kind of like the fact that MU forces players to interact with people they don't want to anymore. As long as no one is breaking any rules then isn't it just part of mafia that sometimes things get heated and emotional?

yes which is why like it is the onus of the game mod to make sure things are kept to acceptable levels. but sometimes it does get to the point where its just unacceptable and 2 people are just straight up not getting along.


essentially like instead of how MU is like "never replace out over not liking playing with someone else" go with "have the game mod actually moderate the game to disallow situations that might make players want to replace out" as well as force replacing problem players clearly in the wrong rather than allowing the game to bleed replacements due to 1 slot, and only in really dire situations go with the replace out there.

[DkKoba]

Oh we're actively talking about punishing replace outs now? That definitely won't chill site activity even more...

Punishing replace outs isn't going to do anything but make the people who are angry about it feel better. It's definitely not going to help the site and it's not going to stop anyone from actually flaking. It might actually prevent them from returning if the site culture is more hostile to flaking actually.

The only real practical thing I think can be done is game limits. You simply prevent people from signing up to too many games. That actually would limit the damage a single user could do when the need to replace out arises.

We don't need players that don't take their commitment to signing up for the game seriously. I'll take less fired games over consistent sub outs

[DkKoba]

Haven't seen you actually playing or hosting in a while regardless

[DkKoba]

Haven't seen you actually playing or hosting in a while regardless

Sorry I didn't realize we were gatekeeping opinions.

your opinion was that we need to just deal with people who are flakey because "lol no games" while having no skin in the game. its frankly, obnoxious.

[DkKoba]

Haven't seen you actually playing or hosting in a while regardless

Sorry I didn't realize we were gatekeeping opinions.

your opinion was that we need to just deal with people who are flakey because "lol no games" while having no skin in the game. its frankly, obnoxious.

Actually making zero effort to actually read and digest anything I say is kind of obnoxious. You're acting like I've never played a game of mafia in my life when I've put 6 years into this site and dealt with this problem for literally all of that time.

according to your profile you have not touched a game on this site since 2018 - an assertion that people won't play while you have no idea what the current playerbase is like is ignorant. I currently occasionally play, host, and review games. As does T3. I believe that perhaps, just perhaps, we have a significantly better perspective than random retired player who likely does not know the majority of the current players and is making an assertion about whether or not they would play with better flake moderation.

I read what you said. I digested it. I found it offensive coming from someone who only hangs around to comment in social threads.

MafiaUniverse has the most strict anti-flake rules of all mafia sites at the moment(I, actually play and have experienced mafia in several communities) and they are currently the number 1 site for longform mafia. People who are actually return players WANT flake moderation because it is a negative experience to have half the PL replace out midgame.

If a player doesn't want to play because they cannot be consistently flakey, they were never going to be a consistent presence in the first place, so the assertion it would prevent games from filling and kill the site, is frankly, extremely laughable.

So yes, I'm gatekeeping your opinion as it is completely uninformed and does not understand how active players and game mods actually feel. Consider not sticking your nose into topics that don't affect you nor that you have sufficient experience to give an informed answer on.

[DkKoba]

some people do not rand scum enough and it shows in the thread