DragonEater70's Micro Normal review, November 2023

[Ausuka]

Hi can I get this reviewed?

9p Simple:

1. Mafia Roleblocker
   
2. Mafia Goon
   
3. Town 1-Shot BP
   
4. Town Tracker
   
5. Town 1-Shot Neapolitan
   
6. VT
   
7. VT
   
8. VT
   
9. VT

(Or is this not simple enough to be a Simple?)

This game is being reviewed as a

Simple.

Primary: DkKoba
Secondary: Alisae

[Ausuka]

wait no lazy isn't a simple modifier

wtf lmao

I do not think tracker as a role needs nerfing. BP + full tracker vs goons has about 40% town winrate

as an open

, statistically.

I would strongly advise you do not pass a more scumsided version of that, frankly, especially for a game we are advertising as suitable for new players, although I am not a reviewer here.

[Ausuka]

Yeah it was a newbie setup.

Should probably note that in the final months of matrix6 there was a strategy where the BP would claim on page 1 and basically be clear because that's how opens work. I was on site at the time and pretty confident the BP + tracker setup was sub 40 wr before then

[Ausuka]

But yeah it got like 40 runs which is a very satisfactory sample size for me

[Ausuka]

Maybe we need to have a discussion in the nrg about acceptable levels of swing because it can be fairly nebulous. My personal view is that a single tracker is well below the threshold of what I would find unacceptable

[Ausuka]

I don't see how that's almost certain at all. It's not almost certain mafia will lose if there's a cop in the game and that's basically what it is

[Ausuka]

Like if mafia get eliminated d1 and get tracked n1 and also don't kill the tracker, in the nicest way possible that is kind of their problem?

[Ausuka]

Like it's not like these are random variables

Playing around town power as scum is part of the game

[Ausuka]

I mean it's mostly up to you three to decide what to do here and maybe the tracker discussion could happen elsewhere but I specifically will not sign off on (even night tracker + bp vs goons) for the normal queue because I believe the normal listmod has some responsibility for maintaining consistent standards

[Ausuka]

I wouldn't do that for any setup I wouldn't personally pass as a reviewer but in extreme cases where I think winrate may be outside 30-70% range

[Ausuka]

I think 7 v 2 mountainous is very scumsided and town having powers to generate clears is generally good

I don't think it's a particularly good idea to stop allowing roles like tracker/jk etc in micro normals.

Especially when stuff like even night tracker is also swingy because like. If town doesn't eliminate scum d1 or d2 it's literally just useless. Even if they get a guilty d3 is elo and scum fake guilties in elo pretty often

[Ausuka]

And in that setup scum can kinda autowin by claiming pr because I don't think town is super likely to believe they literally just have bp + even night tracker which are both very much weak roles

I think i expect the winrate of the setup to be about the same as mountainous

[Ausuka]

Hi can I assume this is passed with the setup in 9? If so it will go into signups after T3's game is filled.