micro theme 1093: u-pic [game over]

[Doctor Drew]

Hi Drew! Congrats on the doomed slot!

I usually can doom it pretty well myself, so this is nothing new heh.

Will catch up in the next few hours or so

VOTE: unvote

[Doctor Drew]

Hi Drew! Congrats on the doomed slot!

I usually can doom it pretty well myself, so this is nothing new heh.

Will catch up in the next few hours or so

VOTE: unvote

Drew are you scum? You would never be scum, right?

You know full well I am Cult Leader.

[Doctor Drew]

I have skimmed backwards to about page 8 or nine.

What is this game Sky? Lol

I was gonna ask who Wesley is as well, but seems like it is a mystery to all.

Also, Aureal will hopefully get a chuckle out of hard defending mybslot without even knowing it lol.

(Though I do find it odd that she was so greatly defending Ice, but I don't think I could scum doing that unless they really really want the town cred......plus seems kinda par for the course on how she acts when fired up town).

So far that is my only real read, but still at work so will catch up more later on.

[Doctor Drew]

jjh

, what was attractive about flipping

dragon

? you mentioned they looked like a scum slot

Was a bit of a gut feeling I was starting to get with the way they were promising content later when tbh there's not even really that much to discuss in detail yet

I think scum are more likely to feel self conscious about when they're not doing stuff and basically my immediate thought when I voted was that Dragon might just be a player who struggles to play scum

What do you make of Aureal's defense of Ice?

[Doctor Drew]

I have skimmed backwards to about page 8 or nine.

What is this game Sky? Lol

I was gonna ask who Wesley is as well, but seems like it is a mystery to all.

Also, Aureal will hopefully get a chuckle out of hard defending mybslot without even knowing it lol.

(Though I do find it odd that she was so greatly defending Ice, but I don't think I could scum doing that unless they really really want the town cred......plus seems kinda par for the course on how she acts when fired up town).

So far that is my only real read, but still at work so will catch up more later on.

you have no commentary on your flashwagon? and potential flash-elimination?

Well I was confused about how it happened so quickly, I know you had some issues with Ice, but was it about Ice repping out as well?

But ya, Aureal's defense of Ice was what stood out the most for me during all that.

[Doctor Drew]

Also I assume I wouldn't know if I was loved, right?

[Doctor Drew]

this game is pretty easy if

{aureal, jjh, theta}

are all town

i dont have a good track record at reading

meuh

so if anyone has insight there, feel free to share

I don't think Meuh and I have ever read each correctly lol, so I am no help there.

Your earlier post did remind me to look at, besides you who I discussed a bit, who exactly hopped on me and why.

I thought I could read Theta, but she fooled me last game.

[Doctor Drew]

order threat assessment board

#1 --> Taly
#2 --> Taly
#3 --> Taly
#4 --> Taly

LMAO

real shit

I actually am starting to like this Wesley person.

I like the cut of their gib.

[Doctor Drew]

meuh

do you think

aureal

is TMIing

drew

town? if not, what is your perception of them voicing their rebuke of the elimination?

I don’t think the confidence is uncharacteristic of Aureal and her perception of Ice Dragon seems accurate? Not particularly tempted to say it’s TMI

Also I have seen townAureal get exacerbated like she was in defending Ice, it did actually seem genuine.

[Doctor Drew]

I misplaced the comma… embarassing…

I think it added a nice dramatic pause.

[Doctor Drew]

instinct makes me want to flip

dragons

before replacement but that probably wont happen before one enters

We could do it

VOTE: Icedragon

It looks a lot like a scum slot

i mean, i felt that a lot of their emotion posting was insincere but that mightve been just new-player posting

VOTE: IceDragon

youre one of my 4 townreads so, here ya go

wheme

, come eliminate scum with us

actually,

Dragon

is at E1

Wheme please fulfill your purpose in mafia and lolhammer

Taly, this is sticking out to me as well. You seemed really hyped to lim Dragon once they were being replaced.

I didn't notice it before on my skin through, but the timing really jumped out at me.

I know I read that that you voiced 'reasons' for voting Dragon when Aureal pushed back on it, gotta check if that was before or after this series of posts.

[Doctor Drew]

dragons

progressions were inconsistent and the emotion in their posts read as false, they also didnt have any detailed opinions on the game and i felt like their questions would be ones id fake as scum to keep below radar

dafuq

Dragon is probably town

He's always like this

Ok, I guess I should have just read a few more posts haha.

Aureal, did you think Dragons was limmed at this point?

I gotta check something else out Re: Taly

Pre Edit: Well you jumped on after JJh voted and really pushed for it to go into hyper speed.

Also, still going through that sequence of events, just want to post my thoughts as I go.

Why do worried I singled you out here?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dragon

The probelm I have is with Taly not answering it at all and also not really responding to what bianco said.

Alright I will do some ISO job to see if I find anything scummy

Didn't you already find something scummy

VOTE: Dragon

The probelm I have is with Taly not answering it at all and also not really responding to what bianco said.

Alright I will do some ISO job to see if I find anything scummy

Didn't you already find something scummy

I honestly kinda forgot about that

But yeah I should probably pressure that

Oh look I'm already voting Taly

Lol, I can actually see why Bianco voted Dragon here.

The response is a bit snarky as well, not knowing that Dragon was town here I can kinda see how the flash wagon gained steam.

This was the first bite in Dragon right? At least the first that started the flash wagon(though I feel it was jjh's handoff to Taly that really got it going)

I gotta check out JJh and Hpe.......and Wesley, after I said all those nice things about you??

Pete Edit(yes you read that correctly): Patience is a virtue Taly, going through it

[Doctor Drew]

jjh

, what was attractive about flipping

dragon

? you mentioned they looked like a scum slot

Was a bit of a gut feeling I was starting to get with the way they were promising content later when tbh there's not even really that much to discuss in detail yet

I think scum are more likely to feel self conscious about when they're not doing stuff and basically my immediate thought when I voted was that Dragon might just be a player who struggles to play scum

What do you make of Aureal's defense of Ice?

I actually was hoping for a response from JJh here, so a little signal boost doesn't hurt.

But this really is the only time JJh explains the vote on Dragon. The JJh to Taly handoff in the flash wagon is starting to bother me more.

[Doctor Drew]

highprincessemprys

ive looked at your ISO and couldnt really tell where you stand on anything, mind sharing any pressing thoughts?

Yeah sorry this one hasn't been paying the most attention to the game. Other than my complaints about the Wheme/Theta thing earlier... fuckin' uhh...

Dragon's replace-out is annoying but kind of whatever, not sure why we're immediately jumping to killing him now.
Big fan of you and jjh being proactive but also pretty sure you two are the alleged super cool townplayers so that's par for the course (but still appreciated).
My gut tells me there's something fucked up and evil about wesley.
And this one doesn't like the vibes of bianco in 300 going "please!! please everyone be voting please i beg!! vote me even just VOTE !! PLEASE !!!!". Maybe something to do with her role?

mod notes:
- IceDragon70 is v/la through november 25th

We're about to solve that cause yeah this ISO does rather stink.

VOTE: IceDragon70

HPE, what changed in these 12 minutes to say you don't think Dragon should be limmed to their ISO stinking?

Was it literally just an ISO dive? Why did it take Taly in that moment to make you do so if that is the case?

[Doctor Drew]

Ok, so snap judgment read list on the four on the Dragon flash wagon, from town to scum of course:

Bianco
Taly
JJh
Hpe




Wesley(lol)

I feel like Bianco's vote was the only one who kinda made sense, and has made sense, imo, after I repped in as well.

The other three, I really feel like there is one scum here(and if it is hpe, I think that clears JJh and Taly...but I feel like there is some buddy equity between Taly/JJh.....which would be scary heh, so they both could be scum on the flash wagon. But snap reaction being hpe is the most independently scummy.

Pre Edit: Ok fair enough, Hpe....I don't feel like redoing this post on my phone though haha, so my reads will stand

[Doctor Drew]

Ok fair enough, Hpe....I don't feel like redoing this post on my phone though haha, so my reads will stand

throwin me to the wolves here...

Well those same wolves could be your buddy

[Doctor Drew]

do i wanna wagon

bianco

or

hpe

I don't wanna do Bianco, but I definitely could do Hpe

iM nOT oPenWoLFiNg i PrOmISe

[Doctor Drew]

do i wanna wagon

bianco

or

hpe

I don't wanna do Bianco, but I definitely could do Hpe

Why?

Based it off of the votes on the Dragon flash wagon.

I will say I feel more strongly of Bianco as town than Hpe as scum.

[Doctor Drew]

do i wanna wagon

bianco

or

hpe

I don't wanna do Bianco, but I definitely could do Hpe

Why?

Based it off of the votes on the Dragon flash wagon.

I will say I feel more strongly of Bianco as town than Hpe as scum.

bitch said fair enough and then scumcases for me it...

Excuse me??

[Doctor Drew]

do i wanna wagon

bianco

or

hpe

I don't wanna do Bianco, but I definitely could do Hpe

Why?

Based it off of the votes on the Dragon flash wagon.

I will say I feel more strongly of Bianco as town than Hpe as scum.

bitch said fair enough and then scumcases for me it...

Excuse me??

oh yeah thats some grievous mispelling.
"and then scumcases me for it..."

I assume referring to me as bitch was the grievous misspelling?

I will say that me saying 'definitely could do hpe' was a bit strong since that was my reads just off the four people on Dragon's flash wagon, and I corrected it slightly when I said I felt better as Bianco for town then for you as scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Like usually I can feel like ppl are obv town and I was thinking princess was earlier when I was doing my hurting theta thing but idk everyoen is meh

Nothing you can get from the flash wagon on Dragon, how I have been since repping in, or how people have moved around my slot?

[Doctor Drew]

I assume referring to me as bitch was the grievous misspelling?

Now I do think it was funny, initially I was like wtf did I do

[Doctor Drew]

I assume referring to me as bitch was the grievous misspelling?

Now I do think it was funny, initially I was like wtf did I do

I am so lost.

do i wanna wagon

bianco

or

hpe

I don't wanna do Bianco, but I definitely could do Hpe

Why?

Based it off of the votes on the Dragon flash wagon.

I will say I feel more strongly of Bianco as town than Hpe as scum.

bitch said fair enough and then scumcases for me it...

A poorly placed typo by HPE

[Doctor Drew]

Like usually I can feel like ppl are obv town and I was thinking princess was earlier when I was doing my hurting theta thing but idk everyoen is meh

So you were just doing that as a reaction test?

Oh I glossed over this, don't think I skimmed far enough back to see that it was When who hurt Theta.

Why would you hurt her, if you thought she was obv town?

[Doctor Drew]

Like usually I can feel like ppl are obv town and I was thinking princess was earlier when I was doing my hurting theta thing but idk everyoen is meh

So you were just doing that as a reaction test?

Oh I glossed over this, don't think I skimmed far enough back to see that it was When who hurt Theta.

Why would you hurt her, if you thought she was obv town?

Pretty sure that refers to him thinking HPE was obvtown for trying to stop him.

Oh, I didn't know that Hpe tried to stop him.

That changes things a bit for me in regards to Hpe.

[Doctor Drew]

there

there is no way there is a jester in this game is there

Oh that would be hilarious, but would it be Wesley or Taly lol.

Just got out of work, but trying to follow along when I can since I know deadline is soonish.

I am starting to lean that, and not mentioning Wesley, that everyone on the Dragon could be town. Bianco, along with Aureal, is my top town read. I kinda thought Taly and JJh were connected(and Taly's extreme overreaction could be a sign of that), but not much either of them have done independently that I would call scummy, and I don't want to lim one just because of the potential to be buddies at this point. HPe, I dunno, just more gut then anything.

I am fine with Wheme as the lim, I find it hard to believe he couldn't get any sort of reads up until calling hpe town here. Sounds weird but I kinda feel he is being coached to just lay down and lurk at this point, he isn't even trying to fight his lim, I feel like town would get a bit more angry about it.

VOTE: Wheme

[Doctor Drew]

Oh my vote was E-1 as well, thought it was actually E-2.

Lol Theta, I was just joking around in regards to Taly's meltdown.

[Doctor Drew]

Why would the weirdness apply when IceDragon70 got to five votes but not you?

Idk what this means

Dragon hit five votes. It didn't end the day. You hit five votes. Why do you expect day to end now?

Definitely feels like Wheme is playing dumb here

[Doctor Drew]

Idk didn’t realize that

You didn't notice what went down with Dragon?

[Doctor Drew]

Hmmm

So Drew, tell me more about why you thought Wheme was being coached to lurk and not fight his elimination?

Just seemed like he was too ok with his lim, like I could see a buddy in that situation telling him to just act like you have no idea what is going on and don't fight.

But honestly, started to feel like he was being coached as I questioned him a bit about not having any reads at all despite what has transpired.

I might have been projecting how I would have handled things though heh.

Pre Edit: Theta, do you think this is something we legit should pay attention to? I have been kinda ignoring it so far

[Doctor Drew]

well

i mean

i have a theory as to that actually
i have a suspicion that anyone not on the board requires an extra vote to eliminate

Was Dragon ever on the board?

And have you been thinking this for while?

[Doctor Drew]

well

i mean

i have a theory as to that actually
i have a suspicion that anyone not on the board requires an extra vote to eliminate

Oh I misread this lol.

Was gonna say I looked back and only saw Sky and Wesley, and Taly once on it.

[Doctor Drew]

which

is actually why i thought wheme might actually be eliminated at five when dragons did not

I thought you said people on the board take more votes, thought I saw Wheme on there recently as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Actually ya, he was on there for the last VC.

[Doctor Drew]

which

is actually why i thought wheme might actually be eliminated at five when dragons did not

I thought you said people on the board take more votes, thought I saw Wheme on there recently as well.

oh

yeah no i said not somewhere in there

Wheme was on there for the final VC though.

So I don't think your theory is correct.

[Doctor Drew]

yes
wheme was on the board

and if my theory is right then that means they did not need an extra vote to eliminate

God dammit, my reading comprehension is shit right now lol.

I need a beer(or maybe not lol)

[Doctor Drew]

Hmmm

So Drew, tell me more about why you thought Wheme was being coached to lurk and not fight his elimination?

Just seemed like he was too ok with his lim, like I could see a buddy in that situation telling him to just act like you have no idea what is going on and don't fight.

But honestly, started to feel like he was being coached as I questioned him a bit about not having any reads at all despite what has transpired.

What parts seemed coached, and what questioning are you talking about? From what I can see, you asked him one thing, and he didn't even reply to it. And what made you think he was okay with being the lim when almost all the votes came on him at once, without him posting in between? Wheme was at one vote then didn't post again until he was at four.

The reason I asked him anything is because he seemed way too passive about not having any reads, which seemed so weird to me considering what had happened before I repped in.

Then once hpe voted him, just as the typical end of day scramble was happening and votes were being thrown around, he conveniently posted just after that about how how was his top town read. I feel like if he was online at that point, and took the effort to post a read, he would have made more posts explaining that and maybe push for someone be besides him.

Basically as I said around the time of the hammer, seemed as if he was just playing dumb, I wasn't buying it and was the main thing sticking out as odd compared to others who had wagons growing on them.

Obviously I was wrong lol(and apologies to Wheme about insinuating you are dumb), but I will stick by that misread.

[Doctor Drew]

i still want to launch

biancospino

into space

Why? I know you've said you're not really into mech but Theta and I both seem to think bianco's power is pretty pro-town. Doesn't feel like something likely to be given to a scum role.

I don't get why if not even talking mech, Taly wants Bianco gonzo.

[Doctor Drew]

Hmmm

So Drew, tell me more about why you thought Wheme was being coached to lurk and not fight his elimination?

Just seemed like he was too ok with his lim, like I could see a buddy in that situation telling him to just act like you have no idea what is going on and don't fight.

But honestly, started to feel like he was being coached as I questioned him a bit about not having any reads at all despite what has transpired.

I might have been projecting how I would have handled things though heh.

Pre Edit: Theta, do you think this is something we legit should pay attention to? I have been kinda ignoring it so far

this feels too specific a reason to come from scum at the velocity of the wagon

I think Drew

needs

to pull out 'specific reason' here to have any chance of not throwing giant red flags all over the place here. So no, I don't agree with you there. This very much reads like an excuse to me because Drew has good reason to think I'm going to suspect him for this. Drew and I have played with Wheme before, in Weird Dreams which I referenced earlier. Guess who got voted out day one after doing very little and even saying a lim on him wouldn't be bad? Guess who fought tooth and nail against the limbait-Wheme wagon? I'm finding it hard to reconcile Drew's readiness to yeet Wheme here with his contempt for such things elsewhere. What was so different about Wheme here, Drew?

I have played with Wheme more than just Weird Dreams, and I have seem him much more engaged as town then here(admittedly I don't remember much of Weird Dreams outside of me saving Python and killing scumTitus at the same time lol). It wasn't until this moment that I remember him as the D1 lim there until you brought it up.

If memory serves me correctly, I have seen Wheme be very blase as scum in Pokemon? I could be misremembering that, but the point being, Weird Dreams had no factor in my read of Wheme here.

I already explained in detail why I thought they were scum here, if you don't like the reasoning behind, so be it......you do you. It was few hours until deadline and someone I had already voiced concern with was the leading wagon(wheme) and I didn't want one of my top town reads(Bianco) limmed, and to a lesser extent jjh or Taly limmed(over wheme least). Maybe I talked myself into it a bit too much, if I am gonna be self critical......maybe I justified it in my head, but he seemed to fit the pieces of a good scum lim for D1.

[Doctor Drew]

Hmmm

So Drew, tell me more about why you thought Wheme was being coached to lurk and not fight his elimination?

Just seemed like he was too ok with his lim, like I could see a buddy in that situation telling him to just act like you have no idea what is going on and don't fight.

But honestly, started to feel like he was being coached as I questioned him a bit about not having any reads at all despite what has transpired.

I might have been projecting how I would have handled things though heh.

Pre Edit: Theta, do you think this is something we legit should pay attention to? I have been kinda ignoring it so far

this feels too specific a reason to come from scum at the velocity of the wagon

I think Drew

needs

to pull out 'specific reason' here to have any chance of not throwing giant red flags all over the place here. So no, I don't agree with you there. This very much reads like an excuse to me because Drew has good reason to think I'm going to suspect him for this. Drew and I have played with Wheme before, in Weird Dreams which I referenced earlier. Guess who got voted out day one after doing very little and even saying a lim on him wouldn't be bad? Guess who fought tooth and nail against the limbait-Wheme wagon? I'm finding it hard to reconcile Drew's readiness to yeet Wheme here with his contempt for such things elsewhere. What was so different about Wheme here, Drew?

I have played with Wheme more than just Weird Dreams, and I have seem him much more engaged as town then here(admittedly I don't remember much of Weird Dreams outside of me saving Python and killing scumTitus at the same time lol). It wasn't until this moment that I remember him as the D1 lim there until you brought it up.

If memory serves me correctly, I have seen Wheme be very blase as scum in Pokemon? I could be misremembering that, but the point being, Weird Dreams had no factor in my read of Wheme here.

I already explained in detail why I thought they were scum here, if you don't like the reasoning behind, so be it......you do you. It was few hours until deadline and someone I had already voiced concern with was the leading wagon(wheme) and I didn't want one of my top town reads(Bianco) limmed, and to a lesser extent jjh or Taly limmed(over wheme least). Maybe I talked myself into it a bit too much, if I am gonna be self critical......maybe I justified it in my head, but he seemed to fit the pieces of a good scum lim for D1.

Pokemon huh? OK taking a look...

Gosh, he was so much more engaged there. Just looking at the first 24 hours of his posting there, I feel he was doing way more in that time than he did all game here. Or maybe even here plus Weird Dreams, though he did start getting involved while being wagoned right at the end in that one.

I'm still not getting how this makes you come down on the side of voting a lurker day one when the other wagon was also someone you'd expressed suspicion towards.

Who, Bianco or JJH?

Bianco I said has been one of my top, if not the top, town reads. JJH I was thinking could be scum with Taly, I said as much that I don't feel good making them guilt by each other's association(in retrospect I do wish there was more time to push for Taly or JJh, I will admit that part of going to Wheme was that it was basically deadline and I had some serious issues with Wheme, who happened to be the wagon at the moment so thought best just to push it through.

I will also say, Wheme engaged with me a whole lot and with more passion than I ever saw in Boons Ahoy, when he was town. And he wasn't afraid to make a hot take, while here he was the opposite. I knew I remember him being so so different as town at some point(and ironically I was the only one calling him scum when everyone was calling him town.......though I also was scum that game haha).

Tl:Dr.....given it was EOD, and someone who I had concerns about was the wagon at the time, I felt good helping push it through.

In retrospect I wish I had time when I was at work to maybe push the JJh wagon, but given the opposition to it I don't think I could have pushed it over the edge.

[Doctor Drew]

Wheme and jjh were both at 3 when you popped in with a vote though?

Do you have any examples of town games where you voted a lurker at deadline?

You expect me to remember any examples off the top of my head? I feel like this is a loaded question since I am usually adamant about limming lurkers on D1, and maybe you know this about me. Wheme wasn't afk, or a slot that was prodded or about to be replaced, they posted infrequently and when they did claimed to not have reads, even when I pressed them on their lack of reads. And when end of day came and they had at least a little heat(HPE's vote on him), they made one post about HPE being town and that's it. Maybe you don't like my explanation, but this is why I felt better about limming Wheme, especially as I said given the deadline.....ahem, lurking.

So you can't keep asking me the same question and different ways if you would like.

Also, JJh was at 2 votes, and one of them being Wesley. Pardon me for not wanting to vote with Wesley.

[Doctor Drew]

*so you can keep asking me, I would never take away the joy you get for tunneling me from you lol

[Doctor Drew]

OK, I guess I wasn't paying that much attention to where the other votes were, I'll grant you that.

But really, when have I ever tunneled you?

Also, why did you not vote for so long? It's kinda weirding me out how several people expressed suspicion of HPE but I was the only one who actually voted there.

I was at work the day of deadline, I could kinda follow along but didn't really have the time to make a post or anything(I suppose I could have voted).

But, I went into the end of day thinking the two people I would not vote would be you and Bianco, and the two people I would prefer to vote would be Wheme, and maybe Hpe.

I honestly was prepared to make a case for hpe after I looked at the wagon on Dragon, but I dunno, just felt like there wasn't a lot of meat to my 'scum read' on it.

And as I mentioned about Wheme, I was hoping for some push back to my questioning of him so I could either make a case or back off. Me not seeing that pushback didn't push me off of my scum read of him.....but couldn't really make a solid case at that time besides a tonal read mixed with what I said about the coaching thing.

[Doctor Drew]

Katy basically site flaked iirc in that game, that was basically a dead slot, notice post 693 you quoted. If someone has at least made some posts that can be AI(or as I said it there, I can remember), they aren't really a lurker.

Wheme did things like hurting Theta, refused to give reads on basically anyone else, and layed down when Hpe started the eod wagon on him.

If Katy flipped scum in the game you quoted, yay we hit scum.....but no info instead of that. If Wheme flipped scum here, then there was some meat on the bones to chew on.

Lol, and one of the first things I noticed once I repped in was you hard defending my slot, yes which made me chuckle(though you did hard defend me in the quack quack game lol). And it made me question if you were trying to white knight Dragon, hence why I asked if you thought he was limmed at that point.

And Alianna has a pretty easy town tell I learned long before this game you quotes, I don't even have to click that link to tell you are linking to 9:12 when I was scum with you two though haha. And I discovered that game that you have an emotion level that I don't think can be faked easily, which is what I saw here as well(one of the things I enjoy about being scum is being able to see in real time how certain people act as town).

[Doctor Drew]

*well over easy was the name, 9:12 was the setup

[Doctor Drew]

Support for my wesley theory continues to grow.

Sorry for whoever got eaten by toucans, lol.

I am sure you said it, but what was your Wesley theory?

[Doctor Drew]

Also, I am numero uno hehe

[Doctor Drew]

"all targets who have fruit" in their PMs should be everyone who has a town (apple) or Mafia (orange) PM. So, y'know, no need to even say as much, if that's everyone in the game. But then there's wesley too. Who might not even have a PM at all. What do you even write for a sock puppet?

Well, it's Skygazer, so probably something silly anyway.

I hard claim sock puppet.

[Doctor Drew]

Taly was getting obv townier and townier so I can’t say I’m relieved
Glad the role wasn’t anything super powerful though

Can you explain why you felt Taly was so towny? I didn't have any strong feelings on her one way or another so this confuses me.

Taly’s role just sounds like a 3p finder so not targeting Wesley with it is ??????

"Why bother, it's not going to work because it's obvious wesley isn't town or scum, and I won't even necessarily have a way to confirm that it didn't work other than trying to grill wesley into admitting it" is probably what my train of thought would be there, given that ability.

Why do you even care? Weird thing to kvetch about when Taly already flipped town.

Hold on, you have been giving me the business about why I voted Wheme and not JJh, and here you are, Aureal, trying to make the person pushing JJH(Meuh) look bad.....just as the JJH wagon is gaining steam.

I even looked backed to when you switched from voting JJh to Wheme, literally was right before I voted Wheme......you gave me shit for not voting him and choosing to vote Wheme, when you LEFT the JJh wagon to vote Wheme!

I think you are trying to play both sides here, trying to push JJh while also keeping others in the conversation for a mislim. I was looking at you like 'of course Aureal is town' but taking a step back I see I was probably wrong. Ironically you pushing me on why I voted Wheme caused me to take this step back, so thank you for that lol.

VOTE: Aureal

[Doctor Drew]

Taly was getting obv townier and townier so I can’t say I’m relieved
Glad the role wasn’t anything super powerful though

Can you explain why you felt Taly was so towny? I didn't have any strong feelings on her one way or another so this confuses me.

Taly’s role just sounds like a 3p finder so not targeting Wesley with it is ??????

"Why bother, it's not going to work because it's obvious wesley isn't town or scum, and I won't even necessarily have a way to confirm that it didn't work other than trying to grill wesley into admitting it" is probably what my train of thought would be there, given that ability.

Why do you even care? Weird thing to kvetch about when Taly already flipped town.

Hold on, you have been giving me the business about why I voted Wheme and not JJh, and here you are, Aureal, trying to make the person pushing JJH(Meuh) look bad.....just as the JJH wagon is gaining steam.

I even looked backed to when you switched from voting JJh to Wheme, literally was right before I voted Wheme......you gave me shit for not voting him and choosing to vote Wheme, when you LEFT the JJh wagon to vote Wheme!

I think you are trying to play both sides here, trying to push JJh while also keeping others in the conversation for a mislim. I was looking at you like 'of course Aureal is town' but taking a step back I see I was probably wrong. Ironically you pushing me on why I voted Wheme caused me to take this step back, so thank you for that lol.

VOTE: Aureal

Aureal suddenly giving a shit about me when I push jjh is scummy, but imo more likely to be partnered than scum stepping in to defend a townie? Aureal gets herself into shit by pushing back on me considering there’s momentum against jjh, I don’t think scum Aureal really benefits from taking this stance with a town jjh

Well that's the thing, I don't think she is blatantly protecting JJh(and no I don't think.they are partnered since she has been seemingly ready to vote him, since I repped in at least).

But the timing of giving you a little bit questioning just as the JJh wagon is gaining steam, while also giving me shit for not voting JJh, just doesn't add up to me.

Especially since some of the same things she was pushing me on she was doing herself!

[Doctor Drew]

Like the biggest momentum since daystart has been Bianco and I pushing for jjh, and then earlier, Aureal’s had some back and forths with you and Wesley’s been calling jjh scum. If she’s scum and jjh is town, I feel like she gets herself into trouble for no reason by posting like she is currently.

How so? I mean look at how you are looking at it, what I think she is doing doesn't really disrupt the JJh wagon while making others(you and I) look bad.

And coupled with her hypocrisy in regards to me, the TMI when she said she thought Dragons was hammered, and her positioning here.....like I said it doesn't add up to town play to me.

Pre Edit: Half my goal is to entertain you.....the other half is to point out the red flags

[Doctor Drew]

Like the biggest momentum since daystart has been Bianco and I pushing for jjh, and then earlier, Aureal’s had some back and forths with you and Wesley’s been calling jjh scum. If she’s scum and jjh is town, I feel like she gets herself into trouble for no reason by posting like she is currently.

How so? I mean look at how you are looking at it, what I think she is doing doesn't really disrupt the JJh wagon while making others(you and I) look bad.

And coupled with her hypocrisy in regards to me, the TMI when she said she thought Dragons was hammered, and her positioning here.....like I said it doesn't add up to town play to me.

Pre Edit: Half my goal is to entertain you.....the other half is to point out the red flags

But making others look back comes at the cost of potential backlash against here (like, for example, your current reaction)
Perhaps this is a standpoint where I'm overestimating how precisely calculated scum games are, but if Aureal were to weigh the option of entering the thread the way she did as scum, I don't think she'd see it as particularly good if jjh is town
Also can you point me to the direction of the TMI?

The TMI was the extreme defense of Dragon after she thought he was limmed.

[Doctor Drew]

I think you know what I must do

VOTE: jjh927

LOOK GUYS IT'S DEFINITELY TWILIGHT

PANIC

Lol, I can't figure you out

[Doctor Drew]

uh
if my theory about the votes thing is correct that may have been hammer

Ya I thought that was the hammer?

My last post was more or less saying I was surprised that Aureal hammered him.

[Doctor Drew]

i guess this will prove if someone is voteless or if it is something with the threat assessment board messing with votes required for elimination

Is it worth seeing if this is something?

Or should I just Hammer Pt2: Electric Boogaloo?

[Doctor Drew]

I will hammer after a VC, then we will have something to work with I guess.

Assuming it isn't already a hammer I mean

[Doctor Drew]

IT'S DEFINITELY TWILIGHT GUYS

DON'T LISTEN TO YOUR LYING EYES

I dunno, that threat assessment board makes me wanna vote you 7 times haha.

VOTE: JJh

[Doctor Drew]

*checks watch*

[Doctor Drew]

So, does Wesley votes not count?

Who was on Dragon vs Wheme vs JJh?

[Doctor Drew]

This flip confirms Wesley can't be 3p tho

How?

[Doctor Drew]

This flip confirms Wesley can't be 3p tho

How?

you and

haha this one got you too!!

are orange-aligned, by the way, which means you are the "informed minority" faction. every other player in this game is apple-aligned, aka the "uninformed majority" of this game.

Oh I didn't read JJh's flip completely lol

[Doctor Drew]

Exactly, that's what I've been trying to say forever

I mean really, the mod answering a question with the specification "according to the player list" really should be a big clue that there's something up with the player list

Ya I repped in to fuck with everyone with my boy Wesley.

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, admittedly I was poking you to elicit the reaction from you. But the emotion you shared in regards to Dragon 'seemed' in a similar manner to Over Easy.

And I love talking about that game, so please more questions about it haha.

[Doctor Drew]

More questions about it? But you haven't even answered what I originally asked.

And you're saying your sudden suspicion of me here was a reaction test?

Wait what?

No I am not saying that, I did legit suspect you(and to an extent, still slightly do).

But I answered everything you asked me, multiple times even.

But yes, we can turn this game into a Over Easy Drew Scum victory lap if you want

[Doctor Drew]

So at what point in Overeasy did I display such a difficult to fake emotional level, anyway? I thought I was reasonably level that game, though I probably pushed my reads more strongly at times than may be usual.

Please show me where you answered this because it seems to me to exist as much as wesley's vote does

I mean, I shouldn't have to tell you how you acted when I was trying to push your mislim. And obviously I knew it was genuine emotion, that's what I was talking about.

What other part of that game would I be talking about?

That was the only time, I remember at least, that you acted extremely emotional that game.

[Doctor Drew]

I guess I do need you to tell me how I acted. What kind of hard to fake emotion did you think I was displaying there, while chuckling in the scum PT about how I looked like flailing scum?

Lol, you appeared as flailing scum to anyone besides me and RC/Snivy.

The over the top emotion is what I mean, very similar how I get when frustrated when people can't see how I am town it don't believe me in general.

That is what made me think you were town when displaying that same sort of emotion here in this game in regards to Dragon.

I mean, how many times do I need to keep saying the same thing when you keep asking me to explain??

[Doctor Drew]

I guess I do need you to tell me how I acted. What kind of hard to fake emotion did you think I was displaying there, while chuckling in the scum PT about how I looked like flailing scum?

Lol, you appeared as flailing scum to anyone besides me and RC/Snivy.

The over the top emotion is what I mean, very similar how I get when frustrated when people can't see how I am town it don't believe me in general.

That is what made me think you were town when displaying that same sort of emotion here in this game in regards to Dragon.

I mean, how many times do I need to keep saying the same thing when you keep asking me to explain??

Look Drew, here is what I was doing at that point. I don't recall having any "over the top emotion" there other than trying to project confidence because I needed Snivy to listen to me to have a chance at winning, and looking back at it doesn't do anything to make me feel otherwise. I was pressing perfectly sound, logical arguments with a tone of confidence (that I didn't quite actually feel because Snivy seemed to be slipping away for dubious reason but I had no choice but to commit to the argument that he was the other town). T-Bone was the one who got emotional there and voted me in a fit of pique because I'd called out how wrongheaded he was. (This is actually what I was referring to when I replied to Dragon's musing about reads being rewards earlier this game ) If you want instances of frustrated Aureal, I can think of plenty but this definitely isn't even top five.

So it's kind of hard to see how you would readily equate that with my posting around the Dragon "hammer". Totally different circumstances, different emotions, different posting styles.

Ffs, of course it was a different circumstance, and yes not exactly the same emotions and posting style. But do you understand what s tonal/vibe read is??

Literally, even before I repped in(Sky messaged me saying they needed a repo for Dragons slot, originally was gonna decline the offer since I didn't want to be over encumbered with games, but I at least wanted to check out what is going on with the Dragon slot, when I saw it looked like a slot about to be limmed I thought make it would be fun to try to save the slot, and if I am limmed then no biggie lol) the very first thing I noticed and said to myself was 'wow, this really reminds me of end of the game Aureal from Over Easy'.

Full stop.

Usually my best reads come when I repp in and catch a tonal/vibe read on someone, so I have confidence in said reads, like here. You are looking at this way too much from an analytical perspective, and you should know that I mainly don't operate that way. I feel a vibe from someone, compare it to a vibe from previous games, and go from there.

I don't have the pleasure of being inside your head and knowing EXACTLY what your emotions were both these times, or EXACTLY what your intentions are here. All I do believe is that, at least initially here, it jumped off the page when I first repped in that you are acting in a way that I saw from townAureal before and that she wasn't faking frustration there, so I don't believe you were faking frustration here in regards to the Dragons speed wagon.

If you don't like what the basis behind my read on you is, or how I got there, whatever.....but that is probably the most detailed way I can explain it.

Jesus, I need a drink lol

[Doctor Drew]

Drew doesn't get to be #1 anymore.

well
time to browse meuhs posts and figure out who they targeted

Are we doing this claim thing any particular way? I don't think I've been too subtle about my role.

Oh haha, in your heart you know I am your #1 threat

I am an apple aligned disinfectant, I can prevent someone from being moldy or fermented once a night......I do not know what either of these things do(though I kinda think it is may be being poisoned in a way?)

N1 targeted Aureal
N2 targeted Bianco

[Doctor Drew]

hmm

just waiting on hpe to claim then

If this one gives you $5 can it stay a secret so as to preserve what little comedy remains of it?

I will do it for $3

[Doctor Drew]

That's a pretty good deal...

I am a master negotiator......and I need the money lol

[Doctor Drew]

i think that tells me what i need to know actually

so
i do not think that wesley is scum controlled
or that scum knew that wesley was voteless

and through that lens looking at the reaction jjh gave during the dragons flashwagon hitting 5 i am of the opinion that jjh and dragons/drew were not paired

See this one doesn't quite clearly recall how that went down now BUT it does really feel like Drew's role is the odd one out in usefulness? That's my first thought for our other scum because it doesn't think jjh had the foresight of his imminent demise to mislead Meuh on bianco like that.

I agree I don't exactly know what my role does, hence why I think I can prevent a poisoning.......or maybe I am just a doc that is colored in Sky's flavor?

[Doctor Drew]

Theta, can you elaborate on why you think the Dragon wagon makes that slot feel unpaired?

Drew, can you elaborate on why you hammered jjh?

Meuh seemed so confident in a way that didn't seem like bussing, nor did it seem like scum pushing a mislim.

Obviously I was thinking you could be scum, which is why I was surprised you actually voted JJh and it made me feel a bit better about you at that point, I wasn't hard scum reading JJH at that point, but I followed those I 'think' I could trust.

[Doctor Drew]

Good job town, we were doomed as scum......and I had no idea how I could tailor a fake claim to make this work.

But, everything I said in response to Aureal interrogating me was the truth, you were so obv town based on Over Easy.

Sorry JJh

I really wish HPE was the one I replaced, I would have had so much fun with Wesley haha

[Doctor Drew]

meuh on point jesus christ

Her confidence about JJh scared me to killed her obviously, I was gonna kill Theta initially since I assumed they can't be killed during the day.

[Doctor Drew]

That feeling when everyone suddenly gets on the same page as you while you're playing Valheim

And you look in and go "oh I should hammer, I told Drew I'd catch him next time... I'll get dinner first though, Theta isn't gonna steal a hammer this fast"

This doesn't count as catching me, remember it was a doomed slot haha

[Doctor Drew]

also this means we were super close to hammering scum D1 if this one didn't interfere with wesley sillies and also aureal comically defended them the whole way

And I'll do it again if people try to turboyeet Dragon off early game tonal weirdness again!

Thanks for modding, Skygazer!

Yet you pushed my tonal weirdness.

I should have killed you when I had the chance.

Love ya Aureal