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Post #2773 (isolation #209) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:52 am
Postby Roden »
In post 2768, Hu Tao wrote:
So was that scum? I'm kinda confused about the whole cult and scum thing.
Yes. We knew there was a cult from the start of the game, but we later found out that their conversion targets became Traitors and not full group scum.
In post 2776, Roden wrote:
Dan is like 90% confirmed to not be group scum
To be fair the NK15 role part of that argument is kinda shot imo.
Pedit: 6 to fade roden.
Ok yeah then the vote doesn't mean much atm then
Also I think you could only be group scum if Cakez had also been group scum. I don't think the way you two acted makes sense unless you were both cornered and flailing on Day 4.
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Post #2863 (isolation #215) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:45 pm
Postby Roden »
I'm not group scum or converted, like obviously I kinda have to say that no matter what but I'm already confirmed not group scum by Hu Tao and told Theta to target me so that the cult wouldn't target me
Faking this result probably just means Theta got converted instead
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Post #2864 (isolation #216) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:49 pm
Postby Roden »
If we know I'm not group scum and I've been claiming that I can still self-visit, I think it's pretty much confirmed that Theta is lying, because I have no reason to lie about self-visiting every night. Yet Theta didn't see that happen.
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Post #2865 (isolation #217) » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:53 pm
Postby Roden »
Theta also should have come to the conclusion that I have to be group scum if she truly got that result, and also realized that scum don't have multitasking if I somehow wasn't able to self-visit and recruit someone at the same time. She can't reach any conclusions though if she's lying and had to come up with the lie on the spot due to suddenly becoming recruited.
In post 2966, Theta Alpine wrote:
that is what i have been stuck on
if roden did the conversion last night i know what most of the team is then
if roden was converted instead then
no clue
I'll humor you. What is it in the other scenario?
as i have said before
it would be roden + flavor leaf group scum
with hu tao being the conversion night one
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Post #2981 (isolation #221) » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:09 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 2976, Aureal wrote:
Roden, pleeeeeease explain why you don't think it could be Dan. I feel like it's obvious that there was groupscum in FG at this point. Trying to get the group set up as a private scum party by getting rid of or converting all the town would open up a lot of options for scum that wouldn't otherwise be able to communicate with each other.
If Dan is scum then he'd have to immediately recruit Drew in order to safely recruit the others. Under the assumption that Maestro was the initial Addict, Cakez and Theta/me have also been recruited. That doesn't leave any room for Drew to have been recruited on any of the Days due to confirmed actions.
The only way for Dan to be group scum is if Drew is also group scum or is the actual initial Addict, which doesn't make any fucking sense. Mechanically that feels wrong, and their day play would instantly win a Scummies nomination because of their scum theatre.
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Post #2982 (isolation #222) » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:10 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 2978, Flavor Leaf wrote:
You can tell Roden at the very least got converted based on their flip of Dan and I after the exact thing I was pushing ended up being true.
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Post #2994 (isolation #228) » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:36 pm
Postby Roden »
If you're town then wake the fuck up
Like you can this a yessiree moment on my end all you want, but this can easily just be the same shit you pulled in the Mini where you tunneled on Hu Tao all game and didn't listen to me when I kept telling you she was town
Like you can call this a yessiree moment on my end all you want, but this can easily just be the same shit you pulled in the Mini where you tunneled on Hu Tao all game and didn't listen to me when I kept telling you she was town
In post 2988, Roden wrote:
If I'm converted then why didn't Theta see me self-watch? Do you think I lied about being able to do that as town?
I barely know what any of your roles are.
Why are you asking me mech questions?
Do you self target every night? I thought you stated you didn’t get to do it anymore. If you’re town coming after me instead of Theta, that just is an absolute terrible look, and that’s why I’m not believing you.
I said since Day 2 that I can still self-visit as my night action, and I told Theta to target me to see if I got converted and because not even the mod knew how to resolve that and I was curious what she'd see
In post 2096, Roden wrote:
Dan being the only one stoic in the face of that chaos kinda implies that this was planned and Dan knew what to expect
If this was to save Aureal, uh first off I was wrong, she actually only had three votes, not four. But it would be weird because Maestro was voting Aureal before pulling shenanigans.
This is Roden on Maestro when Maestro fell on the sword.
Are you intentionally ignoring the part where I believed Dan was scum at that point, and then explained why I changed my mind the following day?
And now a drastic shift in play has happened, and aligned right with a conversion.
And he chose to push the person pushing the scum leader, someone Roden also agreed was happening on Day 3, so no, you weren’t town reading Dan for days now, it’s at most one day phase in Day 4 because Day 3 you were clearly agreeing what Maestro was doing.
You, me, and Thomith spent that entire end of the day talking it over and feeling it out.
On Day 3 I went from town reading Dan to scum reading and then back to town reading at EoD
In post 2976, Aureal wrote:
Roden, pleeeeeease explain why you don't think it could be Dan. I feel like it's obvious that there was groupscum in FG at this point. Trying to get the group set up as a private scum party by getting rid of or converting all the town would open up a lot of options for scum that wouldn't otherwise be able to communicate with each other.
If Dan is scum then he'd have to immediately recruit Drew in order to safely recruit the others. Under the assumption that Maestro was the initial Addict, Cakez and Theta/me have also been recruited. That doesn't leave any room for Drew to have been recruited on any of the Days due to confirmed actions.
Eh? Theta doesn't have to have been recruited if they recruited you last night, she's just telling the truth about a conversion action occuring in regard to you. Even if she was possibly the one doing it.
Cakez initial addict
convert Maestro Night 1 (doesn't sound like they knew each others' abilities yet or I expect he'd go for Drew first, yes)
convert Drew night 2 maybe?
no conversion Night 3 due to dance party
convert you Night 4
I see no issues with this sequence
Why would group scum lock themselves into a 1v1 with me?
In post 2976, Aureal wrote:
Roden, pleeeeeease explain why you don't think it could be Dan. I feel like it's obvious that there was groupscum in FG at this point. Trying to get the group set up as a private scum party by getting rid of or converting all the town would open up a lot of options for scum that wouldn't otherwise be able to communicate with each other.
If Dan is scum then he'd have to immediately recruit Drew in order to safely recruit the others. Under the assumption that Maestro was the initial Addict, Cakez and Theta/me have also been recruited. That doesn't leave any room for Drew to have been recruited on any of the Days due to confirmed actions.
Eh? Theta doesn't have to have been recruited if they recruited you last night, she's just telling the truth about a conversion action occuring in regard to you. Even if she was possibly the one doing it.
Cakez initial addict
convert Maestro Night 1 (doesn't sound like they knew each others' abilities yet or I expect he'd go for Drew first, yes)
convert Drew night 2 maybe?
no conversion Night 3 due to dance party
convert you Night 4
I see no issues with this sequence
Why would group scum lock themselves into a 1v1 with me?
This also doesn't take into account how Hu Tao claimed her slot was targeted on N1 and no one claimed to target her
I don’t think you have a targeting role since it’s day.
I just don’t feel like you’re coming at this with good faith right now personally.
And I see the possibility of you being upset about getting converted.
Hu Tao shadowing you probably had a big reasoning for it, either scum hoped you could get Hu Tao vote to follow you somewhere or Hu Tao group scum.
Hu Tao would be a scum investigative.
I will say, my role is effectively a gated conversion only cop.
Hu Tao would have gotten a fake inno on Cakez, which could have been very damning, and they are limited in a way. I can kind of see that as a town role too, it’s kind of like a flip of mine.
Do you think it’s possible your role was the reason for that?
I don’t want to go too deep with that, but idk. I don’t trust you right now at all.
You say I’m not listening, but you’re blank waing the Dan case, which even if you town read Dan, you gotta be able to see the case there
I figured it was obvious that it has to be my role but it feels cheesy to argue this. No one has come forward with updated results, which means it has to be Theta, who hasn't spoken up.
And I'm not blank walling Dan, I gave my reasoning for why I think Dan is town. The only real argument for scum!Dan ultimately comes down to trying parse the WIFOM from recruited Traitors.
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Post #3054 (isolation #250) » Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:56 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 3049, Theta Alpine wrote:
that is a good point
i would imagine a redirect on me would have effected both of my ability usages and that obviously did not happen hmm
In post 2863, Roden wrote:
I'm not group scum or converted, like obviously I kinda have to say that no matter what but I'm already confirmed not group scum by Hu Tao and told Theta to target me so that the cult wouldn't target me
Faking this result probably just means Theta got converted instead
Explain the timeline of Gamma/Hu Tao innocent.
Leaf claims that his role let's him detect conversions through flavor investigation. He checked the Hu Tao slot on N2 and was able to confirm what Hu Tao claimed as her flavor. Hu Tao slot is mod confirmed to have visited me on N1, which I willingly revealed.
It isn't possible for either of us to be group scum with this info in mind.
Gamma didn't know who had used that ability at the time, I didn't reveal that it was me until later. And she didn't push me or vote after learning that I had used that ability.
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Post #3123 (isolation #258) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:10 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 3120, Titus wrote:
Sorry I was being unclear because it ran together a bit.
Gamma visited Lennox and got an inno.
A player (Roden) claims to have seen via a self-watch that Finley visited them.
Gamma would know that this person (Roden) was their inno, particularly after the announcement.
We know that Roden self-announced as Finley's target.
So then why is a "cult action" to announce the visit when his target is the one announcing it?
...Because Gamma didn't know that I had performed that action yet. I just said this.
