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scum lord
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Oh well you 1vs1ing already?

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Hmm? It's a reference

We are at 5 players.

Mafia unlikely to be alone.


So what spread you think we have?

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Basically you voting at ELO xd lmao

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Being at 2vs2 not better

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I am not letting you.

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UNVOTE:

I just wondered.

What if by "game confirmed to last 2 days" mod meant two REAL days, not game ones.

Hmmmmmm.

E: fixed broken formatting (the closing [

/unvote] tag was missing)

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Holy shit it's ruined

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K, so i chilled.

FL claimed unique role. With 5 players, that shouldn't be hard to get CC

Who are villager as well?

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What if no-lim happens?

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Mafia has compulsive actions for two nights.

I guess they are LAZY COMPULSIVE to let them get back at town if elimmed.
But I don't get how mafia will be forced to kill one of each other if we elim town.


So maybe that's something we should do.

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It could be as simple as scum having something in their scum PT that says if town is eliminated day 1, you must kill one of yourselves.

Or the like

Only way to guarantee a Day 2 in a 5p game like that.

How if they have compulsive actions. They can't multitask thus can't use compulsive action.

They need to break role restriction, to do that.

I need to read wiki hold up.

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It's confirmed that game will last until D2.

Techically speaking, nothing prevents us from voting townie out, mafia not dying and then glorious "hey mafia at parity but i won't end game for now, cuz i promised".

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Okay.
Mafia have compulsive action for two nights.

Why there's second night of compulsive action. It really doesn't matter. Unless...

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Honestly amount of bullshit variants are so high, i won't count them.

I think no-lim... Kinda safe.

If mafia lazy compulsive they will keep being lazy and thus forced to act. Thus probably couldn't kill.

Maybe we can pull this one even twice, but eh, there's little point.

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Odd night vig looks interesting now.

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Unless it's another lame joke

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think it's aureal and drew?

Are you standing with your VT claim.

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I just remembered that i helped bianco to get some setup going in normal and it had almost same premise.

... It didn't fill.
Maybe this one is attempt to cut corners. But i am not betting at that, otherwise I wouldn't be allowed to play here, due me almost knowing setup. Still grey area to talk about it in case i am wrong, but i know how we solved this problem.

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I mean yeah FL claimed redirector but FL is also known bullshitter.

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I mean yeah FL claimed redirector but FL is also known bullshitter.

That's not my problem

It is.

If anything you trying to kill someone else cuz FL confirmed is very shortsighted.


You never win 1vs1 with FL. It's silly regardless of spread of your alignments really.

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You of course can then fart "oh i was right you was wrong" but town still lose.

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multitasking also isnt used anymore in normals so why you stuck on just the redirector?

Please refer who you ask.

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It's more question if that lie did help us in that game.


If we quickhammered doctor, it would cost two misses, and ultimately me being alive didn't change things.


Not gonna analyse, but i think, you would achieve same success without lie.

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It's more question if that lie did help us in that game.


If we quickhammered doctor, it would cost two misses, and ultimately me being alive didn't change things.


Not gonna analyse, but i think, you would achieve same success without lie.

You and I became conf town after it, whereas before you and I were on the chopping block.

Still failure of achievement it with honest means. But i guess that truth.


Naturally i am not sure if this is exact game where you decided to weaponise your lying. And it kinda looks like lie for lie sake, most of time you had some secret purpose.

What you have this time?

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ahahahahahhahahahahahhaa

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mod announcement

The following changes in the ruleset are coming into effect:

• Voting for No Execution is disallowed.
  
• If a Day ends with no hammer, the player with the most votes is executed. If more than one player is tied for first, the Werewololf faction will choose who among those players will die.

This was always supposed to be the case, and it wasn't due to an oversight. I do apologize.

Can we get extension with this SURPRISING rule please?

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Werewololf

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Ok so, i dived.

Of course assumption "mafia simple told to kill self if town ded" is reasonable but i am not really happy with it as it's lame and not Bianco way.


First thing to remember: The fact that mafia is compulsive, doesn't mean they are in fact compulsive. I know it sounds weird on paper but it is truth.
Mafia Kills can be affected with passives as well.
Simultaneous can't allow you to use Role AND Mafia kill (it just allow you to use more role abilities instead of just one, you still need to choose). Mafia can avoid this by being Vigilantes so not throw out completely.

I looked all normal roles at this moment:

Action Detector

, Alien, Babysitter, Bodyguard,

Checker

, Commuter,

Cop

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Detective

, Doctor,

Finder

,

Follower

,

Fruit Vendor

,

Goon Cop

,

Gunsmith

, Hider,

Inspector

, Inventor, Jack-of-all-trades, Jailkeeper,

Messenger

,

Modifier Cop

,

Motion Detector

,

Neapolitan

,

Neighborizer

,

Ninja

,

Observer

,

Psychologist

,

PT Cop

,

Reporter

, Roleblocker,

Role Cop

, Rolestopper,

Role Guard

,

Role Watcher

,

Security Guard

, Shield, Strengthener,

Tracker

,

Traffic Analyst

,

Universal Finder

,

Vanilla

,

Vanilla Cop

, Vigilante,

Visionary

, Visitor,

Watcher

Passive:
Ascetic,

Backup

, Bulletproof,

Companion

, Enabler,

Encryptor

,

Informed

, Macho,

Neighbor

, Role-Immune, Universal Backup

Godfather

, Juggernaut, Traitor

Activated,

Announcing

, Any Night Specific (Odd-Night, Night X, Novice), Combined, Complex, Compulsive, Disloyal, Indecisive, Lazy,

Loud

, Loyal, Non-Consecutive Night, Personal, Roaming, Simple, Simultaneous,

Stealthy

, Strongwilled, Weak, X-shot


I exluded town only roles automatically.
Grey are Pure Investigative. They can't have effect unless modifiers intervened so ignore.
Poo colored are Neighborizer, Neighbour and Messenger because they are bad.
Yellow are those which are not investigative but can't influence without modifiers so ignore.


And if you ask me why i bothered. Well, i considered no-lim until that announcement now i just don't want to waste it. I in fact got pedited on preview. I will look at this and try to understand how mafia suddenly would want to die after town elim, but that's for future.

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Can we get extension with this SURPRISING rule please?

Sure, that's only fair. The deadline will be extended by 24 hours. The countdown in VCs will be retroactively updated.

Thanks!

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Bet you didn't even read my post.

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Zero cases for why I would be scum other than me trolling by the way.

JV and Aureal both were voting before I came into the game, and stayed on me because it was easiest to do, but there really isn’t any reasons.

Sure there is reasons

Like, it was funny!

That's always a good one

You can't seriously think both scum would just decide to gang up on you before you even enter the thread. Why do you get to troll for reactions but I don't?

When i runned double agency (game with extremely high scum-to-town ratio) that's literally what mafia did.

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Okay listen i am not mad.


Mafia Shield-Enabler Compulsive Lazy Combined-Vigilante-Disloyal Bodyguard always forced to either kill self via attack on townie with bodyguard or kills teammate AND if alive, forces teammate to use Shield (and thus avoiding usage of NK).

Teammate is Compulsive Shield (can be changed for any other role but then Enabler in teammate should be corrected). If teammate is dead, then Shield part disabled and can NK normally. If dead, then Lazy Combined Vigilante-Disloayl Bodyguard disabled.



... It gives us nothing. Glorious waste of time.
But i am happy.

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Thanks for fruit (basket) i guess.

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Massclaim?

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Thanks for fruit (basket) i guess.

Oh u got it too?

Yes.

I think it should be easy game then. I highly doubt mafia are just double of fruit vendors.

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... Hmmmmmmm. Not voting you yet.

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Oh ur thinking it's me? That's depressing, what should the claim order be?

As i said, i highly doubt mafia received doubled role. And because you can't kinda send it to self and i didn't send it to you.


Obviously i want to hear Aureal first. Maybe she will not confirm that.

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Why would I lie about this?

Idk.

Aureal
Jackson
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Good order?

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Why would I be the one to call out FL's fakeclaim in a world where FL isn't planning to suicide, why would I plan to have FL die before me as he's much better than I am at playing as a wolf. Why would I fake-claim getting a piece of fruit, what purpose would that serve.

Gonna think about it, but there's really just 3 days of waiting so not really much time.


Do you scumread me?

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ps right answer is no

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ps right answer is no

Do I get a cookie?

Probably would be bannable for "outside influence" so just imagine you have one.

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Eh. You probably should prepare case on Aureal just in case.

I struggle to see you as town. That hammer looked weird for mafia team to do.
I will try tho.

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Feels like too blatant.

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K let's just wait for massclaim then think.

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I am Night 1 Informed that there's no village aligned fruit vendors.

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Mafia not multitasking.
FL not weak.

Where fruits come from.

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Nothing forces Flavor to shield teammate.

Something wrong with teammate.

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teammate prob is simultaneous combined vig+BG AND fruit vendor.

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Nothing forces Flavor to shield teammate.

Something wrong with teammate.

Do you genuinely think mech talk even matters?

Counterquestion, is there harm in mech talk?

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Oh well, i said fruit vendor must be town and Aureal didn't confirm self as one.

Why not? It "could" lead to ez win theorically.

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You already stated you're against me, you should have done the inverse

Bah, it would contradict my words, because if you received fruit, then Aureal obviously gived it and "thus" town.

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Probably shouldn't presume you could lie about claiming fruits.


... Or mafia knew i am informed from start.

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Blah spotting redirector claim in normal game as fake, it will be called instantly by any player reading mod post.

FL lie was lie for lie sake because FL is lying liar.

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Btw i was mostly on your side, i only speaked against to trick Aureal.


That hammer was cheeeky.

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I think she are coached or something.

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Fun fact i also check thread i just see no point.

I don't want to make first move.

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Jackson attacks me every game.

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You unironically want to say that town has 3 VTs in this game, and i am mafia fakeclaiming?

Bruh.

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Both, why you are not voting each other alread.y

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Fuck this i am coinflipping then

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I joked.

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VOTE: Aureal

Eh.

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GG?

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Yeah, good.

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Now you can hammer really.

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Regardless of what everyone claim, i didn't coinflip.

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Plagiatism.

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It's always meta to pick 10.

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I am bad at 1vs1.

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Flavor throwed townreads on me and etc.
Flavor sussed Aureal with all power and Aureal first move in game was to vote FL.


If anything, it should make Aureal blatant.

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Okay not first move, second one.

First one is GIF

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It doesn't really matter in game where mafia needed to die if town died D1.

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What this nonsense you just posted.

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Oh i figured it.

Aureal posing as uninformed.

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Mafia unironically forgetting mafia has factional nightkill.

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Huh?

Okay i believe you. It now makes sense, mafia could't kill anyone if we limmed mafia. It makes sense with why mafia has N2 compulsive actions as well.


That's why you quickhammered with FL.

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So uh.

If i am mafia i just quickhammer Aureal on spot. I lose nothing from it.

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mod announcement

The following changes in the ruleset are coming into effect:

• Voting for No Execution is disallowed.
  
• If a Day ends with no hammer, the player with the most votes is executed. If more than one player is tied for first, the Werewolf faction will choose who among those players will die.

This was always supposed to be the case, and it wasn't due to an oversight. I do apologize.

I mean if i am mafia, then first thing i do before proposing "No Lim" plan publically is talk about this in Mafia PT where bianco will notice and post this message much, much early.


Unless you think i ignore mafia PTs in games.

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He then claims "GG ez i caught scum"

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So you want to say FL killed self to what, leave me as lone mafia member? Bruh.

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No really i just know Aureal mafia at this point what point of these arguments

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So Jackson successfully defuses the threat of a wagon on Leaf for the day here.

The logic was perfectly sound, and in fact was the correct move to make considering FL died anyway.

I'm not entirely sure about that? Would scum really want to go to 3:1 today by having Leaf get voted out instead of town? I think you helped them out with that move. But it's kinda irrelevant now I guess, you didn't do it intentionally.

Hm? I feel scum being able to choose who to kill is of much stronger benefit than needing to manipulate the town to kill a townie. Maybe that's why FL did that claim, who knows

Aureal made me realise.

Mafia simple forced to no-kill if mafia elimmed. That's why they have N2 compulsive actions.

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So Jackson successfully defuses the threat of a wagon on Leaf for the day here.

The logic was perfectly sound, and in fact was the correct move to make considering FL died anyway.

I'm not entirely sure about that? Would scum really want to go to 3:1 today by having Leaf get voted out instead of town? I think you helped them out with that move. But it's kinda irrelevant now I guess, you didn't do it intentionally.

Hm? I feel scum being able to choose who to kill is of much stronger benefit than needing to manipulate the town to kill a townie. Maybe that's why FL did that claim, who knows

Aureal made me realise.

Mafia simple forced to no-kill if mafia elimmed. That's why they have N2 compulsive actions.

Can you explain like I'm 5?

If you look at FL role, there's two Night 1 compulsive actions. If Aureal would be executed D1, then FL would be forced to use Fruit Vendor, while still not being able to kill. Thus resulting in 3vs1. THEN we elim and FL forced to use Visitor. Ergo 2vs1.

Night 2 Compulsive action is worthless, unless we elimmed scum. Elimming scum n1 leaded to mafia unability to perform kill.
... Or it's only in FL case. That's why he played so agressively.

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I gonna just remind that while this conclusion looks simple, we didn't figure it out (which is silly really).

Aureal didn't point it UNTIL i voted her, and she suddenly needed to find dirt on me.

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Mech is part of mafia game, like it or don't.

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If i am mafia, how i send fruits to you both.

Huh?

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Wait it's stupid argument, FL also fruit vendor, nvm

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Games on MafiaScum are hilariously townsided, your argument voided.

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My role is literal vibecheck.

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I know it's more akin of time wasters and quests for nothing, but i welcome you to find bianco game where town didn't had PRs, while mafia did.

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GG i was scum

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I was caught in complexity trap, where overlooking simple solutions, i searched for something else.

Disaster. I probably should focus on mech more.