Open 109a - new management/thread soon! (before 722)

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Vote: Zilla

, L-1.

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FoS: SensFan

Stupid WIFOM for putting someone at L-1, and I'm pretty sure you're aware of that WIFOM, and it doesn't really make much sense from a town standpoint. You'd wait for the hammervote and then call everyone's attention to the hammervoter, and hopefully repair your reputation tomorrow, or count on claiming it a "town ploy" to draw out the scum by watching for the hammervote.

All in all, it seems like a nice spot for scum to set up shop, and I don't like it.

I love how this user Zilla has decided what I will do.

I think Zilla is Scum, but not sure. Would be more sure if people grew a pair and hadn't unvoted.

Speaking of growing a pair, either vote me or don't. None of this FoS shit.

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Further, quicklynching does not make for town winning.

In this game, randomly lynching Day 1 is practically guaranteed to win the game for Town, actually.

This is the third straight Lovers I've been in, both as Scum, then Town. I advocated a quicklynch in both the other 2 games. So yeah, you can unvote me now, since its clearly not an alignment tell.

And yes, I don't understand the concept behind "You have no votes on you and its page one. EFF OH ESS!!!!!"

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^ I'd vote you for that post if I wasn't already voting.

1) You say this is the third lovers game you've been in, and that you advocated quicklynch as scum in both other games, and then say that it's clearly not a scum tell because you are town in this one. This is backwards logic, anyone can see that. "I've done this as scum twice before, but since I'm doing it now, and I'm town, it's not a scumtell!"

2) quicklynching day 1 isn't going to get us anything except a waste of a day and lots of WIFOM.

3) You don't understand my reason for voting at all then. My initial FOS was because you weren't at threshold of scuminess for me to vote, but your response post put it over that threshold. I'm now more than reasonably convinced I hit paydirt and this game will be over in one day.

1) Please read my post. This is my third game. In the first game, I was Scum, and hammered on page 2. In the second game, I was Town, and advocated a page 1 hammer, and ended up hammering someone on page 3 (if I recall correctly, I know it was "early"). Tell me how this can possibly be a Scumtell for me.
2) A 'random' quicklynch practically guarantees a Town win, actually. See the previous Lovers game for a nice explanation of this.
3) You don't understand the game of Mafia at all, then. An FoS is for when you cannot (due to rules) or will not (due to hammers) vote someone.

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This is the third straight Lovers I've been in,

both as Scum

, then Town. I advocated a quicklynch in both the other 2 games.

This reads to me as "Scum for both of the two games, then town for this one."

Meant as a pseudo combination of "both as Scum and Town" and "Scum, then Town."

You still have to explain why a quicklynch means town win. Pointing at a game with a quicklynch and a town win does not prove anything, nor does it prove why you consider it to be a beneficial town tactic.

Statistically, Town has a 33% chance of winning today. Assuming we mess up, we have a 40% chance of winning tomorrow. That leaves Scum with 66x60=40% chance of winning if we lynch randomly.

Then, you add in the fact that Scum can't distance/bus in the slightest, a 'random' Day 1 quicklynch is almost certainly a Town win.

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So how in the world does that put random lynching at an advantage over focused lynching?

Focussed lynching allows Scum manipulation.

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And how does random voting not allow for scum manipulation? All they've got to do is make the weakest of cases, and not even support it in any way, and they can win the game by controlling the "random" lynch.

Exactly!

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So you agree that random lynching gives scum the win. With one word that contradicts everything you've said so far. Nicely played.

No, I agree that if we 'randomly' quicklynch someone Day 1, it will almost certainly be a Town player that is lynched Day 1.

But then the Scum will almost certainly stick out like purple-spotted grass. Go and read the previous Lovers game, by Day 2, I was confirmed Pro-Town to every Town player. It just so happened that the Town turned out to be as close-minded as you, and I was quicklynched in LyLo in like 4 posts.

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EBWOP:

Also, since you're such a fan of random voting, would you vote yourself if you were leading a lynch?

Of course not, that's ridiculous.

Then again, anyone who self-votes in the random stage is more likely than not to be Scum...

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Your vote is scummy and your proposed method of play is scummy, it's unthinking and costly and lets town be lead by scum who can appear untraceable with hardly any effort considering all they have to do is say they support random lynching to be considered town.

Except they CAN'T support truly random lynches. They must do everything in their power to avoid having their partner lynched.

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1) I came to play a game of strategy, not of chance. Random voting means our only chance at winning is to randomly happen upon a mafia, and then the game is over. While the odds may be in town favor, this is a) chancy and careless, and b) not in the spirit of the game.

No, no, and no some more. Random lynching in this game is comparable to random voting in most games. We might happen apon a nice target, but Town really can't win this Day1 anyways.

2) All they have to do is propose the random lynch, and they win by controlling the lynch.

Can you explain where they 'win'? Did I ever suggest randomly lynching tomorrow?

3) Random lynching gives NO accountability. You can't find scum that way, your best bet is to stumble across them.

Hey look, wrong again. I can find Scum from the fucking 'Random' VOTING stage, you don't think I can find Scum from a 'Random' LYNCH?

4) You say the mafia will be obvious from the results of the first lynch. a) how? b) wouldn't targetting anyone no longer be random, defeating the point of only random lynching? c) Who is to say the mafia even vote at all?

We are only 'Random' lynching today; not tomorrow.

I'm starting to think you might be dumb Town, and not Scum.

Vote: Yorgi

; let's start a new wagon.

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I honestly didn't remember you having posted. You think one of the lurkers is my buddy? Vote a lurker (or anyone other than me in this game), and I promise I will follow.

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Unvote, vote: stef

. As promised.

[SensFan]

Zilla, can you please get your head out of your ass, then take off the blinders you seem to be wearing?

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I will when there's someone else to look at, but I can't go "Hmm, stekinj looks scummy" because there aren't any posts to back it up, and you've made a huge case for yourself with your push for a quicklynch and your horrible logic for random voting.

Let me ask you; do you really think I'm ridiculously stupid Scum - or might there be some method to my madness here?

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I think either you're stupid town or mediocre scum. Stupid scum would have gone off lurking and not even bothered to half-ass a town argument.

Wrong.

Any form of Scum would be lurking right now; I am starting to think this is largely a case of two Town butting heads due to theory.

Don't forget, when it comes to game theory (which this discussion is), wrong =/= scummy.

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No, you disagree with me on theory, actually.

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Like I said, I don't plan on continuing a theory discussion when my wall pays more attention than my fellow debater.

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a) Now if I said that, it seems counter-productive. c) No one.

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Still here, not sure if I want to play, due to what just went on. I'll let you people know.

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Fine, I'll play.

I'm warning you all, though, don't make me go through this bullshit again.

[SensFan]

Zilla, were you Scum?

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No, I assume you weren't either considering you're asking.

Unless people want me to, I likely won't comment on what my alignment was.