Micro 1099 - Creative Mafia is Over [Over]

[Skygazer]

hi sorry i'm late

can anyone catch me up?

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VOTE: bingle

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@ mod

i think there's a mod error, why haven't town won yet?

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i think bingle is partnered with ircher. or maybe with ranger. or maybe its ranger and ircher.

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i'm putting too much thought into the potential reasonings behind hood picks considering the first time i ran this scum went "lets just submit the playerlist in order"

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yolo solve: ircher + cakez

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UNVOTE:

i think it makes sense to yeet from the big hood

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VOTE: light_ganski

sorry i guess i'm a capitalist now

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yolo solve: ircher + cakez

why cakez?

i dont remember

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VOTE: ircher

3 hours left, yolo hammer time

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yoink

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not fully convinced that dann isn't a deepwolf here

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hello party people

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VOTE: lightIt's prob light and Bingle

I agree. However, I’ll vote the confscum first.

How is it confscum

i think this question comes from town

if ranger is town then bingle has to be scum and vice versa

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helloo

i still need to sort ranger and bingle

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fuck im so bad at this game

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hmmmmm

VOTE: ganski

e1

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hrmm

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not sure who this "anonymous" person is but they seem really cool and eloquent

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i think town de70 would be more paranoid, not liking how he wrote me off as a town read just now. i think i'm more than capable of shitposting as scum, so townreading that overnight message feels like tmi rather than an actual read

my best guess rn is bingle/de70

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hmmmmm

VOTE: ganski

e1

Pushing

shoving

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cakez, where is your brain at?

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i didn't mean that in like a mean way just in like a "what are your thoughts" way

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i *think* i'm more confident in my big hood read than my small hood read

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And additionally I just didn't get any town vibes from SirCakez and I think this is the kind of posting he does as scum.

do you have any examples that would illustrate this?

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(and by "this" i mean the meta)

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do we want to go for the big hood today so if we hit scum we got a clear tomorrow?

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I also believe the scum in the smaller neighborhood's more likely Bingle, but if Ircher flips scum I'll take the pleasant surprise and chat to Bingle tonight.

rereading and saw this, it initially felt like tmi to me. but i kinda feel like this isn't necessarily a post that scum would make in twilight? considering ircher was flipping imminently, i feel like scum would be a lil more wary of dropping tmi in twilight. at least i would be. idk.

it is consistent with ranger's progression, too

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it's interesting that light_ganski was talking about motivation behind intents, i must not have paid enough attention. rereading that is kinda solidifying de70 as scum in my mind; considering the wifom behind intents was already discussed, i find the act of townreading me off of a shitpost even more questionable now.

undead poet's second intention also comes across as too self-aware in the way that scum is self-aware; seemed like it's possible they were worried about their activity levels and wanted to preemptively address the potential criticism.

i'll sit on it bc right now i'm worried i'm just doing the confirmation bias thing.

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do we want to go for the big hood today so if we hit scum we got a clear tomorrow?

i'm also just more confident in my big hood read than my small hood read at the moment

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this is also a kind of silly reach of logic... but in the back of my head i've been thinking about how the mafia have this thing called a private topic, right? and like 99% of the time, the mafia submit their actions in that private topic instead of via pm. this leads me to believe that if one wolf submitted an intention, the other would be a bit more likely to go "oh, right" and submit an intention as well. day one bingle and undead poet both submitted intentions. day three neither bingle nor dragon submitted.

day two kind of immediately disproves this line of thinking but maybe they became self-aware of it and decided to switch things up intentionally. idk just a thought, i feel like i'm running out of stuff to go off of.

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what are your reads?

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the conclusion (or at least vibe) i got from light was essentially along the lines of "this is all just a bunch of wifom." light went back and forth on bingle and ranger so i don't think that light definitely was settled on "serious = scum." the fact that reading the intentions of the intentions is so wifom heavy is why i don't trust you magically townreading me for my intentions. your cakez read is also poorly reasoned. for me, you're probably trying the hardest in the game right now and yet your reasoning isn't holding up. and i think that you're pivoting onto me now instead of cakez bc i made it clear that my read between you two is pretty strong; this read shift feels like pure survivalism.

iirc in echo bay grits we won as scum because most of the town spent D1 vigging each other and playing it like a meme game whilst we scum spent our time acting serious and gratuitously scumreading the memers

that was like a decade ago ofc

would scum submit the ostensibly anti-town intents, or would they try to look

useful

by seeming to play the game and expecting at least some of the town to treat it as a meme game (or at least a relatively casual game? I know I recieved a town role pm and I also know I submitted a memey pretentious intent not because I was thinking of what could be most pro town, but because I wanted to fuck around and have fun with it)?

and to reverse the view, would only posting in lyrics from push upstairs be more likely to come from scum!bingle genuinely trying to play a strong anti town game, scum!bingle just playing this as a meme, or town!bingle just playing this as a meme

my final thoughts discounting the hammer are that bingle and ranger are kinda 50-50 and both have reasons to dislike

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i feel like cakez is approaching this with a kind of more deflated angle and i townread that. you feel like you're playing harder to get townread than cakez is by a long shot

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But tbh I'll probably just vote Bingle anyway since it's a guaranteed scumflip.

i prob missed something, but why is your read on bingle/ranger so strong?

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i feel like cakez is approaching this with a kind of more deflated angle and i townread that

That's literally what cakez did in Elo in his last scum game though: viewtopic.php?p=14077217#p14077217

sort of similar vibe, i guess, yeah. but cakez is more wordy in that one and seems more driven/agenda-y there than here

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Uh I read the hammer as Bingle openwolfing

okay, then how did you arrive at that conclusion? there's a pretty big jump in reads between the following two posts, did anything ranger do change your read on her?

Bingle kinda feels like he's openwolfing. But I don't have a strong read on Ranger so it could also be her.

Yeah I really need to ISO both Cakez and Skygazer

But tbh I'll probably just vote Bingle anyway since it's a guaranteed scumflip.

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i think i'm somewhere around 85% sure on de70 scum right now

kinda flippy floppy on ranger vs bingle

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hope ur ok ranger

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i will say i'm getting a vibe from ranger that she's trying to say stuff that i would want to hear if that makes sense ?? like vaguely pockety. but it could just be natural mind melding. but i'm not necessarily getting that vibe from bingle, but also his gimmick isn't conducive to spotting stuff like that lol

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dragon feels like he's throwing around a bunch of associative wifom, so i think i'm set on dragon-scum at this point

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votecount 3.3

Bingle (2): Ranger, DragonEater70
Ranger (1): Bingle

not voting (2): Skygazer, SirCakez

the majority is three votes
the deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-04 09:41:00)

And additionally I just didn't get any town vibes from SirCakez and I think this is the kind of posting he does as scum.

What does this mean?

i think i'm somewhere around 85% sure on de70 scum right now

kinda flippy floppy on ranger vs bingle

Tina

translation: cakez and i can't be scum with ranger

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cakez, how do you feel about going dragon today and mutually hoping we're the one that gets to escape limlo tomorrow?

not sure where ur at with ur read on me/dragon, but i think for me i'm at a point where if you're scum you've already won anyways

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im conftown nowwwww

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@cakez: assuming ur not about to drop a scum hammer, do u wanna chat before deadline or just end the day?

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i'm leaning ranger as scum over bingle

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i'm gonna take the full 7 days

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jk

hi yall how's it going

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i still can't shake the feeling that dragon was intentionally trying to tie himself to bingle yesterday. that was what i meant yesterday about associative wifom. like these two posts in particular seem kind of like a deliberate attempt to drop tmi that implicates bingle:

Yeah I really need to ISO both Cakez and Skygazer

But tbh I'll probably just vote Bingle anyway since it's a guaranteed scumflip.

But tbh I'll probably just vote Bingle anyway since it's a guaranteed scumflip.

i prob missed something, but why is your read on bingle/ranger so strong?

Uh I read the hammer as Bingle openwolfing

idk i'm prob overthinking rn. but the usage of the word "uh" is what's tripping me up. i feel like that kind of has the air of "oopsie" or hesitancy in a way that seems like it's coming from caught scum?? and the motivation for doing that would prob be something along the lines of trying to implicate bingle. i feel like if dragon was scum with bingle he'd be much more likely to try to have a better explanation for the sudden read strengthening. instead of just letting that weird moment go without a great explanation.

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this is a hard one tho

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tina?

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VOTE: ranger

~ sorry if i'm wrong

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tina?

Like... Do you want me to go through each of my posts? Because that's what this is turning into. And I can. I 100% can.

tina?

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hell yeah

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this game was v fun

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it probably would have been responsible of me to engage more, but i like ripping the bandaid off in elo sometimes. it's less painful to be wrong on a strongish instinct than it is to overthink myself out of that instinct lol

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my lack of engagement before elo, on the other hand, was driven by procrastination

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the flavor was amazing. gr8 modding!!!!!

this might be an unpopular opinion but i enjoyed how chill and low pressure this was, i didn't feel as bad for my laziness. i liked the prod rules.

the entire elo i was just thinkin about how embarassing it would be for a person to lose a game they designed. so i'm glad i didn't screw up lol. this was actually the first time i got to play this i think so it was kinda poetic to get to place the hammer.

self-indulgent anecdote time: i remember when i started getting active on this site again, i saw this setup being played and was like oh that seems cool. and then i saw my name as the setup designer and was like whatttttttt i don't remember that

realizing the neighborhood existed and then realizing my messages likely wouldnt be seen was such a funny turn of events tho

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all of you are awesome i rlly enjoyed this game

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Bingle dropping the gimmick was a cool moment

yes