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Post Post #4775 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:33 pm

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How much sense does a Reisen/Marisa team make? That's my homework for the people still awake
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Post Post #4776 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:12 pm

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Dunno.
I don’t expect amateurish play from Marisa.

Reisen as a role blocker makes sense. That’s why I wanna know if their theme is their actual role.
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Post Post #4777 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:13 pm

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I dunno what to do with Daiyousei.
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Post Post #4778 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:17 pm

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Larvae was drawing associatives. Notice they threw soft ball questions at Sanae too and how he took pains to cover their tracks.

I know it was my response that bugged you, but see it from my perspective. I think they’re town, I’m not interested in showing off or overcomplicating my reads or feelings to them.
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Post Post #4779 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:17 pm

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With the caveat that it's hard to judge activity levels as an indicator of scummyness, feels like reisen came in, saw my calls for death, and like, did the exact bare minimum for me to move on for the time being.

I really hope we get activity from them now.
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Post Post #4780 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:17 pm

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*I think Larvae is town.
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Post Post #4781 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:21 pm

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I just don’t know if this kind of closed offness is townie.

There are some players that take a very hard line there, where it’s almost a giveaway that they’re town if they say no in this kind of situation. But I don’t really think it’s that cohort that’s hanging out here.

All you guys can tell is that I did my homework and was clearly ready to claim, I don’t want to piss you off, yes I’m community minded and think others should solve along with me so I’m usually pretty quick to share (even though I don’t *really listen* I attempt to and process their ideas) but you guys don’t know that.

I think conventionally I’m the scummier one.
Albeit, there’s at least a line from point A to point B. In terms of inputs and outcomes. But not a great one. Or one that you can’t falsify.
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Post Post #4782 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:22 pm

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Yes, I am casing myself.
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Post Post #4783 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:28 pm

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Does an ascetic role blocker make sense.
It sounds nice and powerful.
But not broken.
Albeit I think their ascetic fits in decently with two watchers one with a contagion. Depending on the game state it can be wasted, but only a really bad town player wouldn’t claim ascetic out the gate and only a really bad scum player would stay silent with the number of roles flying around. Who would immediately find it suspicious if they didn’t claim it and they wasted their action.
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Post Post #4784 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:43 pm

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In post 4776, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Dunno.
I don’t expect amateurish play from Marisa.

Reisen as a role blocker makes sense. That’s why I wanna know if their theme is their actual role.
Speaking of people fake claiming, do you think Marisa might be the spellcard roleblocker too due to stalling fullclaim + passive disabler being thematically fitting for it or do you think only Reisen might be fakeclaiming
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Post Post #4785 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:26 pm

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In post 4737, Koishi Komeiji wrote:
In post 4729, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 4723, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: You're literally the only person claiming to deviate from the

Active
Passive
Optional Hood Passive

format
Which given that you spent the entire time away from this game points to scum messing up a fakeclaim more than anything for me
"Gif forgot to do that one and had to quickly make it and just gave ffery the cliff notes in the review" is an entirely possible chain of events, this is not compelling to me and never will be.
There's always at least one fakeclaim in Reisen/Marisa, ffery would either go the Clownpiece passive route and make Reisen only have one passive (So either Hood or Ascetic) or go the Dai/Kaguya/Sanae passive route and make Marisa have a hood passive and a regular passive

If there's a fakeclaim it's cause they don't want to claim a scum action, so that'd be the Sanae N1 where her spellcard was blocked but her active still went through
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Post Post #4786 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:38 pm

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Scenario 1: Marisa scum/Reisen town
Dai was hit with the passive disable N1 (and redirected it to Kagerou) and I was hit by it N2 so it's an active, meaning that the Spellcard block would be either a Spellcard that was used N1 or some sort of passive (Though realistically it'd be a Spellcard). The refusal to even fullclaim the spellcard she isn't using tonight would point to this world


Scenario 2: Marisa town/Reisen scum
Reisen is confirmed Ascetic both d1 by Dai and n2 by Kagerou, so if she's fakeclaiming her role she'd either have Ascetic as an Active and the Hood as a Passive (Which is a really weird role PM that I don't think makes sense unless it's specifically designed that way to avoid interacting with Marisa's Passive Disable) or she's Ascetic and lied about the Hood on D2 unprovoked (Which like, why?)


Scenario 3: Marisa scum/Reisen scum
Similar problem to Scenario 2 except Ascetic being an Active to avoid getting shut down by Marisa makes no sense cause why would you ever do that to a scum buddy
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Post Post #4787 (ISO) » Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:45 pm

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In post 4786, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Scenario 2: Marisa town/Reisen scum
Reisen is confirmed Ascetic both d1 by Dai and n2 by Kagerou, so if she's fakeclaiming her role she'd either have Ascetic as an Active and the Hood as a Passive (Which is a really weird role PM that I don't think makes sense unless it's specifically designed that way to avoid interacting with Marisa's Passive Disable)
Also this'd mean she fake claimed her Active unprovoked
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Post Post #4788 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:37 am

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Did marisa claim flavor?
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Post Post #4789 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:39 am

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In post 4788, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Did marisa claim flavor?
In post 3493, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
In post 2936, Aya Shameimaru wrote:
In post 2934, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 2930, Aya Shameimaru wrote: One: Scum probably have safe claims from the mod
It's not even a safe claim since Marisa's already implicitly confirmed it's an SDM theme'd hood, you just have to tweak what your spellcard does
Oh, true.

Also ew. The SDM hood has Marisa and Patchouli and not Sakuya or Remilia? What is this PT, "Scarlet Devil Library Time"?
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Post Post #4790 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:42 am

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So they’re flandre?
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Post Post #4791 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:42 am

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In post 4790, Yuuka Kazami wrote: So they’re flandre?
Or Remilia
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Post Post #4792 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:44 am

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Flandre’s not much of a role blocker.
Oh, I don’t know why I thought remilia was taken.
I guess they could behave as a role blocker in a classical vampire sense.

But I don’t really. Hmm. I’m not super familiar with remilia’s powers.
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Post Post #4793 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:45 am

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To google!
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Post Post #4794 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:46 am

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Yeah okay, remilia is probably drowning in abilities like Sanae was.
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Post Post #4795 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:48 am

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In post 4792, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Flandre’s not much of a role blocker.
Oh, I don’t know why I thought remilia was taken.
I guess they could behave as a role blocker in a classical vampire sense.

But I don’t really. Hmm. I’m not super familiar with remilia’s powers.
To be clear, the scum roleblock isn't a traditional roleblock. Sanae's spellcard was roleblocked but her active still went through N1
In post 3878, Sanae Kochiya wrote: I did misunderstand something
Something interfered with the spellcard and prevented it from activated, not with magic supremacy
In post 3879, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: So you're saying you were hit with an effect that blocks spellcards but not actives?
In post 3880, Sanae Kochiya wrote: I think so, yes
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Post Post #4796 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:49 am

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I genuinely don’t think Flandre has a role block.

I want reisen and Marisa to flavor claim.
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Post Post #4797 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:55 am

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In post 4796, Yuuka Kazami wrote: I genuinely don’t think Flandre has a role block.
Perfect Memento in Strict Sense: Flandre Scarlet wrote: It is said she possesses the ability to destroy anything at all even without touching them.
Everything that is made for her to play with ends up broken, so she probably doesn't have many playmates.
Her method of destroying things so effortlessly involves pouring her power into the "eyes" of any material where its tension is the highest.
She can use her ability to cause these "eyes" to move into the palm of her hand.
In other words, by crushing the "eye" held within her hand, she causes things to break.
I think this could be flavored to destroy a Spellcard which I think would also cause what we saw with Sanae N1 and probably makes more sense than a Roleblock that only targets Spellcards
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Post Post #4798 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:57 am

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An ability set of "breaking things" with "break passive abilities (as an active)", "break spellcards (as a spellcard)", and "break actives/something else (as another spellcard)" wouldn't be that crazy for Flandre
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Post Post #4799 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:01 am

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Oh.

You have a point.
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