open 910 - a series of extremely codependent relationships i {game overrr)

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VOTE: sunflower

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dw ily dr drew

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We're only on page 1

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no need to apologize

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SF y u no counterwagon?

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Good choice. Many villains are doctors after all and this one has shadow-horns.

p edit: yeah but if they do that then we lim the hammerer next day and get both scum

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It's nightless

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Okay but don't most good doctors also have good shadows?

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That smirk isn't very reassuring either.

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First, about myself. I'm new to this site, but not new to Mafia. I don't want to reveal anything more about my experience though.

VOTE: Bloodb0t

hi

ok y U no counterwagon? I'm a good boy, vote the duplicitous doctor.

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I don't have hands!

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nope

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nope

nope

High level mafia right here

nope

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btw can you pls upload an avatar?

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thanks

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I'm not sure what Blood's obsession with counter wagons is about

Well what's the point of having all the RVS votes split up on different people? I think having two wagons is better for generating discussion. Really, why NOT have a counterwagon? Even though the phrasing was silly, I did mean it as a question. I was just trying to generate discussion. I'm genuinely interested in people's reasons for or against.

Anyways, I don't think sunflower would follow mirrored's vote on me like that if they were both scum, so if there's a scum in there I think mirrored. Mostly because of the comment about hiding previous mafia experience.

VOTE: mirrored

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It is pretty forced. That's my MO early game. It's barely a read but I'm just throwing it out there, again for generating discussion.

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Uhh I think I've completed around 4 or 5 games, never played as scum, and yes it's consistent throughout all of them.

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I guess I probably should have let things simmer a bit before admitting it's forced but I'm around and talkative atm.

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I've resigned to the fact that I'm limbaity. Used to be a lot more concerned about it.

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I try not to care so I guess that means I do.

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I think that could be a valid explanation for why you wrote 82

I agree

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Anyways, I don't think sunflower would follow mirrored's vote on me like that if they were both scum

Explain

I thought it would seem a little too obviously PT coordinated because you switched your vote so quickly after mirrored voted.

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lol

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This game designed that all town must vote mafia member, or we never win.


Watch out for "early game" busses or taunts.

But if the bus hits one scum, they both die, so why would scum do that?

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I guess what I'm asking is how confident are you in your Sunflower/mirrored read

It was a passing thought that I exaggerated into a read. Yes, I did think that. It's a really weak read. I wouldn't vote on it or mention it if it wasn't so early.

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Also I'm feeling a little bit of pressure to get the game moving because we have 120 hour days.

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I want to put pressure on mirrored because he's not saying much.

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tinfoiling black/mirrored for post-game cred

I like this one better.

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Why does this seem like you're jumping from "if there is scum on me, mirrored is scum" to "mirrored is scum" (i.e. assuming the "if" condition, in other words assuming there is a scum voting you)?

Admittedly, your read on me, which is under hypothetical conditions at this time, only becomes clearer later in the quoted post and your posts after that.

Because the read was forced, mostly to get everyone talking, especially you

which it seems like you understand already.

At this point my read on you is pretty null. UNVOTE:

Black & White Lotus, what are your thoughts on each other?

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I'm fine with my White Lotus vote for now

Why though? You voted WL very early and haven't said much about them.

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Drew, any thoughts on mirrored?

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Drew, any thoughts on mirrored?

Also thought it was funny how they 'mirrored' your avatar

Town points their in my scorecard lol

Like for real town-points from this or just for the lols?

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VOTE: white lotus

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I thought it was funny too but I've seen you have some out-there theories so I was just wondering.

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From what I've seen of Drew he tends to latch on to weird details and annoy people as town. I haven't played in any games where he was scum but I read one of them and he seemed a lot more cautious. Maybe Drew is wrong about you but I decided to vote you because my 2 top town reads are already voting you.

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From what I've seen of Drew he tends to latch on to weird details and annoy people as town. I haven't played in any games where he was scum but I read one of them and he seemed a lot more cautious. Maybe Drew is wrong about you but I decided to vote you because my 2 top town reads are already voting you.

@White Lotus

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I just don't think weird logic is a good reason to SR Drew, and I just have a scum vibe from you in general this game especially when you voted drew.

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i also think white lotus response to it is fairly towny

and i think bloodbath still probably is also towny

my phone autocorrected bloodbot apologies

Dang, I thought it was an intentional nickname.

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Why do you townread Drew?

I've had a few games with him and I've always been right with my townreads on him even when the majority didn't tr him. I already summed it up with "he latches onto weird details and tends to annoy people." Though I haven't had games where he's scum.

@Drew can you link some of your scum games?

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I already did/am.

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I put WL at e-1 with a naked vote after they voted Drew.

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I agree with your assessment but I don't really see how delaying things would hurt town. I want to see Mirrored's reaction... or is the lack of reaction the real reaction?

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idk if ive been subtle

why do you think WL is scum

Well all you said about WL is that their response to Drew is "fairly towny", and then you said you HEALed them because your mind suddenly changed while trying to type HEAL:Drew... So I dunno if that's unsubtle. Especially in comparison to how long Drew has been antagonizing. Seems like a TRed WL might deserve a bit stronger of a defense in the face of that.

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Oh yeah you did mention enchant in your ISO and I missed that.

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Seems like a TRed WL might deserve a bit stronger of a defense

(against Drew)

^^^ I feel like this still applies though.

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So you're okay with a WL lim?

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i think it's hard for me to imagine heavily protesting any flip in particular at this time tbh. maybe id protest bloodb0t

drew wouldn't be my favorite choice but i find drew difficult to sort so idk

do you think he's scummy? i think you've played with him more than i have

Why?

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Why protest flipping me?

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But you also think WL is towny and you want to flip them.

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Or you're not protesting anyway

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Ok makes sense.

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That's the one game I read. I said you seemed more cautious in it.

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Probably should have specified that was the game I read.

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I looked at Drew's games and the result of that is that my TR on him is less confident. Then I reread this game. I wish I had come away from all that with some kind of revelation but really I'm just less certain about everything. I still like my vote on WL and I'm also willing to vote mirrored today. I'm around for some live interaction for the next 6 hours.

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Actually I have to pick up some groceries right now but that shouldn't take more than half an hour.

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what makes you townread black?

Mostly just that she's had very similar thoughts to me for most of the game, and seems to be trying to solve the game. The solving seems natural because she's been posting those similar thoughts before I've said anything that would clue her into me thinking them.

I have had some passing thoughts that maybe she's pocketing me, but also a sense that maybe she suspects I'm pocketing her so that sorta cancels it out.

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So it is just Drew/White Lotus huh

What if this is just correct

Could be... But then WL insisting on the 1v1 seems to go against that?

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I can see how it could all be scum theater, with the WL voting on Drew seeming pretty contrived. And something about WL's initial 'early bus' comment does seem like it could have been part of the scum theater plan.

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Wanna try to convince me that Black is scum?

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I just don't see why you think Black is scum... I doubt I would be convinced but I just want to understand your thoughts.

p-edit: So Black is a nullread for you but she's second on your voting list?

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Okay with Black at 2nd, that would put me 1st on your vote list since you just lost your townread on me?

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@mirrored do you still want to vote for sunflower after this flip?

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I'm more keen on voting according to individual reads, but I'm interested in hearing any potential cases for scum teams.

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I think scum are probably sunflower and drew, not for interactions but as process of elimination.

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Well I think Black and Mirrored are towny therefor the remaining are scum.

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Is that supposed to be counter to my town read on you?

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I thought you were implying "You shouldn't be town reading me because my reads suck."

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VOTE: Drew

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Sorry this game is killing my brain, I just want to sheep my TR.

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Seems impossible for town to win tomorrow, it's now or never.

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Town needs to win today or beat the tiebreaker tomorrow.

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Tomorrow is basically a race so town should be ready to vote together immediately after today if needed.

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The only way for town to win tomorrow is to vote together, before scum will vote together, in order to break the tie. I was debating mentioning this but I think it's better to assume that scum is already aware of this. If 1 scum knows, the other knows by way of the PT. Might as well even the playing field. If I was the only player to know, well I guess I this info helps scum. But really scum should know this already. I think there's better expected value in letting it come down to timing/luck. It will come down to whichever team can hit their target together tomorrow before the other team does. Or town wins today.

p-edit: I think sunflower wont vote Drew cause it's sunflower/Drew

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UNVOTE:

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Before we hammer town should have their day 3 votes ready.

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- an execution will occur once a majority decision is reached. if no majority is reached, the player that has the most votes

(and, in the event of a tie, for the longest amount of time) will be executed.

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That means town has to win the race vs scum. How would this benefit scum!me to reveal this? If I was scum, I'd be only talking about this in the PT and not here.

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Black you don't want to plan day 3 first?

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I don't know if it does.

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Guess there's no time for planning.

VOTE: Drew

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not hammer

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- an execution will occur once a majority decision is reached. if no majority is reached, the player that has the most votes

(and, in the event of a tie, for the longest amount of time) will be executed.

Read THIS

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the setup is called "lovers mafia."

xyzzy made it. click here for the wiki link !!!

the gist

- four of you will be vanilla townies, and two of you will be mafia lovers (if one lover is eliminated, they both die).
- the mafia wins if they control 50% of the votes; the town wins if they eliminate a mafia lover before that point.
- the mafia will have a private topic they may communicate in at any time.
- eliminations are compulsory.
- if a majority hasn't been reached by the deadline, the player that has the most votes will be eliminated.

- in the event of a vote tie, i'll go with the wagon that has had that amount of votes for the longest continuous stretch of time (going backwards from the deadline).

role cards

hello, and welcome to open 910: a series of extremely codependent relationships i.

you are a

vanilla townie

!

you have no special abilities.

you win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. please confirm within 48 hours by replying to this pm with your alignment.

hello, and welcome to open 910: a series of extremely codependent relationships i.

you are a

mafia lover

!

if you die, your partner also dies.

your faction does not have a night kill.

you may talk to your partner at any time in this private thread: https://www.not-a-real-website.fake/

you win when your faction controls 50% of the votes. please confirm within 48 hours by replying to this pm with your alignment.

@blood read the mafia win condition

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Okay maybe town can't win tomorrow. Seems like the stated rules are contradictory.

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I guess I am just dumb. I told you this game was killing my brain.

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Not sure how me being dumb like this paints me as scum.... Not like I was trying to get people to change their votes, people were already voting for Drew and I was just wanting to plan the vote after that.

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Yeah you're right.

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So it's weird how Drew was trying to shade me for this.

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Well weird if Drew is town, but yeah he's scum so just vote him.

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I think sunflower is either town worried about some weird tinfoil reality of me and drew or it's drew/sunflower.

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I'm just sheeping Black.

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However she votes, I will vote. I take full blame if it's wrong and give her full credit if it's right.

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However she votes, I will vote. I take full blame if it's wrong and give her full credit if it's right.

We wait for mirrored to hammer

Sounds good.

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muahahahaha

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jk im town

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WP all
It was fun.

See you tomorrow.

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I'm going to try not to hold back my thoughts as much. I think I was trying to play too safe. I'm still generally inclined to just sheep my strongest TR but I'll try to include more unfiltered thoughts to spice things up more.