Open 913 - This Game Started as an April Fools' Joke - Day 4

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yh we claim votes tomorrow and not claiming/fakeclaiming is a policy lim

sounds good to me

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pretty sure game thread's locked during day but can see your suggestion where we declare our intentions beforehand

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wait, was the question meant for light?

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and pagetop

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well you apparently agree with light

why would we not declare our voting intent before night ends

normal play allows for a claim, so i think we should try to figure out who is going to be voted out in the day before it happens

would suck if we just voted out all our power roles when we could avoid it

i don't mind declaring intent but i feel like nka can influence votes and people might change their votes based on it.
but then imo in an ideal world, we both declare our intents and then confirm who we voted for the night before and after.
and if anybody changes their vote, we can pressure them to explain themselves.

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I signed up mostly for the troll setup but I won't complain too much if someone else wants to herd cats into voting

+1

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yh we claim votes tomorrow and not claiming/fakeclaiming is a policy lim

sounds good to me

There's good reason to try to over-hammer in the nights as that will prevent scum from changing the lim target compared to if we end up with wagons of say 7 v 6 and scum switch from who they've promised to vote. Having extra votes on the main wagon will weaken the ability to perform vote count analysis but I think that is pretty borked in this game anyhow.

good point

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hi i am a mirage so all votes on me are actually on light_ganski

boop why always me

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and why would we wait until afterward to say who we're intending to vote

Not what I'm saying, exactly. Giving intent before is good but I'm not going to policy someone for *changing their mind* provided that they are open about it straight away. I've changed my mind last minute before as town (in fact I think I do it more as town than scum)

*lying* about your vote is an instant policy lim when it gets found out

+1

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If I'm a vig, I'm shooting Moros
Goodnight

good idea.

this feels like towny reaction

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free for all is incredibly scum sided and no one shld suggest it

agreed.

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tbh i just realised how at least a quarter of the game have not contributed anything thus far

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tbh i just realised at least a quarter of the game have not contributed anything thus far

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it's prob nai tho

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catching up now

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If I'm a vig, I'm shooting Moros
Goodnight

good idea.

this feels like towny reaction

Why?

feels pretty relaxed for scum
but now that i think about it, scum might go for a relaxed style too to seem town

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tbh csf's 162 is good post tonally

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hi drew!!!

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catching up

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rl's been busy sorry

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tbh moros has dropped to null for me after my catchup

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nobody look at the last page

duly noted

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making the vc was nice of you tbh, if that makes you feel better

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I encourage all to sheep me

Even if I'm wrong ming isn't exactly bringing anything to the table here

Just playing, ahem.....devil's advocate here

Why not Moros over Awesome?

Moros will probably be easier to read over time. Ming is just trolling or something I'm not really sure what he's doing if he's actually town

+1

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that pretty much sums up my thoughts rn tbh

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i think black is prob town here, who genuinely didn't realise that checking cee's iso would reveal cee's main.
or it's nai at best.

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*at worst

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titus got replaced by thomith btw, cee.

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anyways, VOTE: ming as current intention

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also, pagebottom

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and pagetop

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catching up rn

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i think people should say who they voted last night just so we can do some wagon analysis. even if scum lie good stuff prolly comes outta it. i voted black ranger.

i went for ming.

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So we vote CSF and we have a backup vote planned just in case

I'll try to do proper analysis when I'm not busy

seems like a good idea.
if csf is killed and flips green, light should probably be the vote.
otherwise, light can be trusted.

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anyways, today's busy for me so don't expect me to do much

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i like imag's 607

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csf, what are your thoughts rn on who scum are?

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(other than light, who you've accused of making a gambit as scum)

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like if light was scum, who would you say would the other scum be?

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My current thoughts on what we should do:
- if CSF is alive, lim CSF
- if CSF is NKed and flips scum, lim ming or Elements
- if CSF is NKed and flips town, lim light_ganski obviously
- if CSF, out of a desperate attempt to disrupt the game and escape judgment, unleashes a tiger attack on the site before the end of N1, run away faster than CSF so the tigers catch her in an ironic twist of fate

i think this seems like a good course of action

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If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

good idea
(tho i probably wouldn't have voted br, who i didn't really have a read on, over ming, regardless of my alignment)

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If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between Moros/Ming/BR. Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

How did Black shake the boat?

By flipping the focus away from Ming and onto BR after my vote onto Ming, alongside initially pushing heavily against Ming during the night prior to that.

But you just said if ming is town, then scum knew they could flip between any of the three you mentioned, since they would all be mis lims.

How does this clear Black?

sure scum *can* flip between any of the three but why would they? black had built up a pretty solid push on ming, before then moving to moros, so abandoning both of those already justified pushes to push another town wagon through last minute instead doesn't really make sense to do as scum there.

+1

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btw, random thing.
what do y'all think of the chance that scum could be lying about voting br?

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maybe i should doublecheck who everybody said they voted.

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only 4 people confirmed they actually ended up voting br, by my count (oopsie, light, csf, thomith).
2 confirmed voting for ming (me and halfasleep).
and 1 for black (drew).
that leaves 4 people, not including br, unaccounted for (elements, ming, black, imag).

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imag, i trust to be town for recent posting, and i doubt ming would self-vote.

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but, how can we be sure scum didn't pretend to vote br?
like realistically, only 7 people needed to vote br.
any extra could easily have lied and claimed a vote on br, knowing they can't be disproven.

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oopsie, what do you think of my theory?

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only 4 people confirmed they actually ended up voting br, by my count (oopsie, light, csf, thomith).
2 confirmed voting for ming (me and halfasleep).
and 1 for black (drew).
that leaves 4 people, not including br, unaccounted for (elements, ming, black, imag).

but, how can we be sure scum didn't pretend to vote br?
like realistically, only 7 people needed to vote br.
any extra could easily have lied and claimed a vote on br, knowing they can't be disproven.

Sorry, overlooked this with in all the cop guilty excitement.

I voted Black Ranger. I'd been asleep the last six hours of N0 - based on where things were at when I checked out I was expecting I'd be voting ming or Moros, but when I caught up and saw where the discussion had ended up it seemed Black Ranger had gained the most consensus by end of day. So I added my vote on Black Ranger (as per my N0 belief that we don't want to risk giving scum a chance to redirect our lims).

i see and no problems!

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going offtrack, just noticed i have the fifth highest amount of posts (surprisingly)

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What could be neat in a future variant of this game would be an "election monitor" role who can target a group of say three players each Day phase, and receives the results of who they voted for (not who voted whom, just "two votes on Alice, one vote on Bob"). Or perhaps they can target one player and find out how many people voted that player.

also this is such a good idea!!!

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i think drew is making a good point tbh.

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also, we don't know for sure if black actually voted for br in the end.

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and to reiterate what i previously brought up, we have no way of knowing who actually voted br since it's only confirmed majority did.

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so publicly pushing for a wagon isn't really that clearing

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at least when it comes to the one that led to an elimination as imag brought up in 667

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anyways enough of me rambling

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i think csf is just scum here, she's basically given up after the cop redcheck

i think we can all agree on that.
the question is who are her partners?
and that feels to be a point of contention

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and you're somebody people think is one of them

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and i think drew thinks black isn't cleared from being the other

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anyways, ming, who do you think are csf's partners rn and do you agree with imag's proposed course of action?

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anyways, ming, who do you think are csf's partners rn and do you agree with imag's proposed course of action?

in 622 for your convenience

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also, it'd be nice if you could confirm who you voted

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(presumably br)

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i'll stop talking now

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and i got another accidental pagetop

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csf, what are your thoughts rn on who scum are?

I kind of think you're scum rn

reasons?

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catching up

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I guess what I'm asking is if you actually thought this information was useful then why didn't you make sure everyone was accounted for? You just kinda dropped it

i was hoping people would notice by themselves but i think only imag ever did and everybody else just ignored it.

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tho really, i've been busy and ended up sidetracked.

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so it is on me for not pushing harder on it.

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so i accept responsibility for it.

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catching up

Well?

I voted for BR btw

i see.
now we just need elements and ming.

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yesterday ended up busier than expected.
i haven't fully caught up yet.

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sorry for that.
i'll contribute more once i'm done (which should be soon).

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rn i think that i still agree with imag's course of action.

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tho after ming, i'm not actually sure who to go for.
i'd probably have to reread things.
tho, i would disagree with drew in that i think you're town so won't vote there.

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ming, since you're here now, can you confirm who you voted?
also, who do you think we should lim if csf is vigged?

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ming, since you're here now, can you confirm who you voted?
also, who do you think we should lim if csf is vigged?

black ranger

i see.

ming, since you're here now, can you confirm who you voted?
also, who do you think we should lim if csf is vigged?

i dont think i'm going to convince the thread to not vote me so im just gonna drop some legacy reads soon

that'd be nice.

oops.
that didn't last long.

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i really do suck at not mainslipping.

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anyways, i guess the cat is out of the bag now.

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tho it probably wouldn't have lasted very long.

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anyways, that's probably enough of me.

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Wait, who did rh9 replace?

that's my main.
i accidentally mainslipped.

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voted ming

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actually has experience commented on teams at all? if not hey experience same question as im asking to thomith it creates good content trust

i did bring up agreeing with imag on possible teams.
tho rn, given ming flipped town, i need to re-evaluate

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also, there's sk here.

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which is somewhat worrying me as for all we know, the sk could've killed csf for the towncred

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despite drew dying in the night over light, i do think black is town here. i don't think getting a lower info flip is worth the move that black made at the end of n0 so she's chill for now in my eyes.

el needs to start playing the game soon but i still stand by my read of her. just getting more worried now that she got a townread for me and then parked the bus knowing i'd defend her hard enough for a lim to not happen.

imag/light i have been on a similar page with through a lot of n0/1 so i'm inclined to townread em. saying it out loud maybe it's not the best reason but i can't rly think of why i would sr either of these players over others.

this leaves experience/halfasleep/thomith to sort. out of these three halfasleep is the most townie imo, in retrospect choosing to pick me out as her main sr despite imag/light's reads on me would be bold as scum cause you're kinda asking for pushback there.

i don't think it's as simple as experience/thomith scum tho. i'm probably wrong somewhere :/

you know sk counts as scum, right?

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tbh now i'm starting to worry that one of the more tred players (minus light) is sk.
i'll look through people's isos later today.
p-edit: i see. i usually associate scum with non-town

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i mean anti-town

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I was SK recently. SKs want to scum hunt. I lost my game because I couldn't find scum and kept killing townies

i remember that game.

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actually has experience commented on teams at all? if not hey experience same question as im asking to thomith it creates good content trust

i did bring up agreeing with imag on possible teams.
tho rn, given ming flipped town, i need to re-evaluate

any progress on the re-evaluation?

not really, except that i've decided that it's probably just a coincidence that moros was killed the same night that elements said she would vig it.
and now i'm no longer so sure that i can clear her from being sk.
tho for mafia, i am feeling pretty lost with the person who i'm most likely to vote rn being thomith

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tho it is notable that thomith was the first to consider sk existing

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am busy today, will post later

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catching up

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imag, does that change your opinion on black?

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reading up now

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reading up now

Hi. This is the third or fourth time you've said this and then didn't produce anything until the next day or two. I'm just curious if you're actually reading when you're saying this and not just prod dodging. And if you are actually reading then why don't you post your thoughts?

i'm reading.
it just takes a while and especially on weekends, it takes me longer.
i'll share my thoughts next time while reading if it helps instead of after it.

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i think i'd go for either halfasleep or ketchup rn.

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i think i'd go for either halfasleep or ketchup rn.

Which would you prefer?

maybe ketchup
i kinda agree with light on halfasleep's last post

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if HA shot should we have a backup vote planned?

sure.
for me, it'd be you.

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i guess i could go for an enchant lim too, as a compromise.