Micro Theme 1105 | A Questionable (quasi-)Normal game, Vol. II [FIN]

[KayJayQueue]

Tell me who your alt is or dieeeee

VOTE: DrNick

[KayJayQueue]

maybe this time ketchup has rolled mafia

anyways, i'm a probably miller? like, idk, there's some fuckery going on with my role, i will not elaborate

Whaaa?

Interesting interesting

I wish I had any idea what this meant lol

[KayJayQueue]

maybe this time ketchup has rolled mafia

anyways, i'm a probably miller? like, idk, there's some fuckery going on with my role, i will not elaborate

Whaaa?

Interesting interesting

I wish I had any idea what this meant lol

look at miller on the mafia wiki in roles

In quasi normal 1 we thought the setup was like a million millers but it turned out to just be useless cops

Boonskies actually did mod a game with a million millers, not cool lol

Kay, I assume you know what a miller is, right?

I’m about to look at the wiki

[KayJayQueue]

Does miller only matter if we have a cop?

[KayJayQueue]

Also, apologies if that came off as condescending by me

It didn’t, I’d rather someone ask than assume I know and then call me scum just because I wasn’t aware of a mechanic lol

[KayJayQueue]

anyways experience is town

Cool

[KayJayQueue]

tfw we’re one day in and the mod has made more posts than any other player

This is so unlike us

[KayJayQueue]

UNVOTE:

[KayJayQueue]

UNVOTE:

Problem?

I didn’t vote Nick for any specific reason, just RVS, so I wouldn’t want him hammered unless I thought he was scum.

[KayJayQueue]

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

[KayJayQueue]

catching up

was this a joke theres literally nothing happening I wish there was something to catch up on

ketching* up

[KayJayQueue]

IT WAS CLEAR JOKE

UNVOTE IMMEDIATELY

Wow I am very gullible

[KayJayQueue]

@Jack, this claim is 100% serious, right? I just want to get clarification before I vote again.

I know you’re busy so I’ll check for a response when I wake up.

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

[KayJayQueue]

Ok, kill Um and exp

Not that I like killing the silent, but I can figure out Kay and Gyp better as time goes on

I care more about finding out your alt than finding scum lol

(kidding please don’t lim me)

[KayJayQueue]

Ahhhhhhhhh

What happened? I’m lost

[KayJayQueue]

The ketchup/nick thing isn’t absolute but I wanted to test something to see how accurate my assumptions were. I’ll elaborate further EoD, I do believe there’s a wolf between them.

The SK IC thing is as I said, there’s also mech info I have. I’m a super dumpy informed townie.

Why do you get the fun roles

[KayJayQueue]

I think my info is hinting that a bulletproof SK exists, but it’s a micro so that don’t seem right

Are you saying we’re screwed? I’ve never been in a game with a SK, does that mean there are 2 kills a night? Does this game just end after day 2 lol

[KayJayQueue]

I actually think I know how this setup works already

Carry me to the finish line please, I’m almost useless

[KayJayQueue]

Lol lol, anyway I think nick is a wolf

I don’t understaaaaand

Someone tell me where to look on the wiki so I understand wtf is happening lol

[KayJayQueue]

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

[KayJayQueue]

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

Game just started, like I said don't focus on the mystery per se.

Forgetting about all that, is there anything that has jumped out at you? Gyp being so vague, Ketchup and I's interaction earlier, Really anything you have questions on besides the mystery?

The only thing I don’t really get (besides almost everything) is why Gypyx voted me. It seemed like she was insinuating there was a specific catalyst that promoted her to vote me. Like if there was a concrete reason or something I did or something secret info I don’t have. She is definitely being vague but I can’t tell if I’m supposed to have picked up on something. Unfortunately I haven’t.

[KayJayQueue]

Ketchup posting the most isn’t surprising to me at all. If anything, he seems less active than I anticipated.

[KayJayQueue]

Nick - I’m not even kidding, when this game is over do you think you could kind of deep dive it with me and go over the roles and mechanics so I’m not so clueless next time I attempt to play one of these? Or anyone that doesn’t mind holding my hand through an explanation, I’m not picky with getting help.

[KayJayQueue]

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

[KayJayQueue]

Nick - I’m not even kidding, when this game is over do you think you could kind of deep dive it with me and go over the roles and mechanics so I’m not so clueless next time I attempt to play one of these? Or anyone that doesn’t mind holding my hand through an explanation, I’m not picky with getting help.

Well tbf, this is a closed setup.......so there is some clueless-ness about it

Once the game is over I am sure things will make much more sense(not helping us now I know lol)

Also, I am not the best person to talk mech stuff anyways......the mod and co-mod would be great resources though

Mods are scary

[KayJayQueue]

Lol lol, anyway I think nick is a wolf

Tell me why beyond you “have info,” because why Nick over ketchup?

[KayJayQueue]

I think my info is hinting that a bulletproof SK exists, but it’s a micro so that don’t seem right

More than doesn’t seem, that physically can’t be right. To my knowledge serial killer is only legal in regular normals if announced, and is not legal in micros

Hmm. Okay Jack what do you think that means for your info then?

[KayJayQueue]

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

[KayJayQueue]

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

[KayJayQueue]

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

[KayJayQueue]

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

[KayJayQueue]

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

that’s for you to know and me to find out

If you think I can find scum here, you should know that I don’t have much confidence in myself right now lol

[KayJayQueue]

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

that’s for you to know and me to find out

If you think I can find scum here, you should know that I don’t have much confidence in myself right now lol

Aw ): 2/4 successful d1 scum votes is pretty good though! I’m at 1/3 with the last one being more of a fluke because no other wagon would go through. Why so low?

I just lost a game and realized I’m no good at endgame and now I’m paranoid I’ll always be dragged to the end because of it.

[KayJayQueue]

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

that’s for you to know and me to find out

If you think I can find scum here, you should know that I don’t have much confidence in myself right now lol

Aw ): 2/4 successful d1 scum votes is pretty good though! I’m at 1/3 with the last one being more of a fluke because no other wagon would go through. Why so low?

I just lost a game and realized I’m no good at endgame and now I’m paranoid I’ll always be dragged to the end because of it.

lucky you can’t be nightkilled this game then eh?

I can always be night killed, I just feel like people see me as a waste of a kill because I do more harm with my paranoia and lack of confidence if I’m alive. I’ll try to hide my self doubt better though.

[KayJayQueue]

This is page 10 and i am already tired of this game.

I am lurking cya

That’s what happens when you replace in at the start and not page 50!

[KayJayQueue]

This is page 10 and i am already tired of this game.

I am lurking cya

That’s what happens when you replace in at the start and not page 50!

games with 30414093201713378043612608166064768844377641568960512000000000000 pages? wow

Are you trying to pocket me with math jokes, sir? Because it's working.

It’s a trap, he’s really good at pocketing!

[KayJayQueue]

I think my info is hinting that a bulletproof SK exists, but it’s a micro so that don’t seem right

More than doesn’t seem, that physically can’t be right. To my knowledge serial killer is only legal in regular normals if announced, and is not legal in micros

Hmm. Okay Jack what do you think that means for your info then?

He’s wrong.

Complex you can have them if you announce it in signups (excluding larges) but we don’t really know if they’d do that here too

So then back to my original question, does that mean this game can end after day 2 and we’re just fucked?

[KayJayQueue]

We’re probably filled with useless information, we love

I’m always filled with useless information, it’s part of my charm.

[KayJayQueue]

I’m going to just say it now, I am going to probably call it town and scum. I’ll try to remember wolf but change is hard lol

[KayJayQueue]

Damn, I’m never going to roll mason! Ugh I want to be a mason so badly! It seems like so much fun. RNG gods please hear me.

[KayJayQueue]

my role did bring up the possible existence of a gf tho.

If you are informed you should claim now as there's possibility that mafia will kill you and information will be lost.

Besides you already gave fat tip.

i'm informed n1 informed n2 informed n3 informed.
currently the only information i have are phrases from information i'll gain.

RIP - nice knowing you

[KayJayQueue]

Unfortunately I think I’ve made it obvious what my role is lol

[KayJayQueue]

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

[KayJayQueue]

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

what’s the rationale behind this one

He tells experience to give all his info and then just a bit later makes fun of someone suggesting a mass claim when he was one pushing for info. It’s not consistent.

[KayJayQueue]

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

[KayJayQueue]

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

[KayJayQueue]

Enough with the third degree lol

[KayJayQueue]

Enough with the third degree lol

are you struggling to answer my questions?

No but I don’t think I’ve gathered enough information to make the statements you want. And if there’s one thing Ive learned it’s that everything I say can and will be used against me the minute someone wants to push me. I don’t want to give half-hearted reads until I feel more confident in what I’m feeling.

[KayJayQueue]

That last sentence sounds weird reading it back. Any read I give right now would lack the conviction I’d prefer to have and I’d rather wait until I form a more solid opinion.

[KayJayQueue]

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

[KayJayQueue]

Then yes there is someone I have my eyes on.

Fixed, missing a word lol

[KayJayQueue]

I want literally anyone else to talk because that’s how I’ll develop my reads since I can’t rely on my (nonexistent) knowledge of game mechanics.

[KayJayQueue]

mmm that’s also how I feel so idk why you called my not-many questions third degree, unless it felt like you were cracking under the pressure as scum. but I appreciate you’ll want someone else to talk to and i want sleep so for now I vanish

I guess I wrongly assume I’m easy to sort lol

[KayJayQueue]

I’d say 60% was Jack because it made me go back and reread Enchant. Plus, he straight up said he’s going to just lurk and that helps me in no way. Maybe a couple votes will re-engage him with the game, no matter his alignment. Which is what is most helpful to me.

[KayJayQueue]

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

[KayJayQueue]

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

Ok I missed that

But how so? I feel like Enchant has been consistent in calling out Jackson, and others for effectively claiming.....unless I missed some posts of theirs

Because he pretty much pressured experience into revealing his role and all his information. What he originally implied might not have gotten him killed before he could get more useful information for us. But now he’s definitely marked for dead. Yet the same person got upset others were claiming and admonished someone that brought up a bass claim.

Those two things, to me, are inconsistent. It felt like role fishing and then covering it up by subsequently being against any claims.

Maybe I’m wrong but it felt off to me.

[KayJayQueue]

mass* claim

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: KJQ

sorry gal

That’s dumb. You can think I’m wrong without thinking I’m scum. You actually think this is a good vote?

[KayJayQueue]

And why am I getting votes because I answered questions about why I was voting where I was? I explained my thought process. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but why does that mean I’m bad? No one even cares why Jack voted Enchant? No one needs to know why Gypyx voted me?

Why am I a good vote? Because it feels like I’m being punished for not understanding this format when everyone else seems to know what is going on and I don’t. So am I being voted because you don’t think I’ll be helpful? I’ve been more forthcoming about how I’m feeling in the game than anyone else.

I’d definitely look at the players voting me when I flip green. Because this vote makes no sense.

[KayJayQueue]

UNVOTE:

[KayJayQueue]

Or just don’t kill me and vote someone that’s actually bad.

[KayJayQueue]

Or just don’t kill me and vote someone that’s actually bad.

Do you mean me

I listened to what others had to say and I’ve unvoted you. So no I don’t specifically mean you. But I know I’m the wrong vote here.

[KayJayQueue]

Or just don’t kill me and vote someone that’s actually bad.

Do you mean me

I listened to what others had to say and I’ve unvoted you.

If you don't have your own opinion i don't care to listen what you want to say.

I’m allowed to change my opinion based on what others present to me.

[KayJayQueue]

If I’m going to be voted out based on my (possibly wrong) opinion on you then I’m going to reconsider my push. I’d rather be alive and have more time to develop my reads than dead and unable to help us win. There should only be 2 bad players, so town would be helping vote me out here so what can I do to prove myself? Again, saying I don’t have an opinion is just being incredibly dismissive of me as a player.

[KayJayQueue]

So you actually think I’m bad or do you just not like me because you think I have no opinions? And if you think I’m bad, please explain why. Because even you just said that I shouldn’t play the way I did when I just lost a game to you, a game in which I was town. So if you think I’m playing similarly, that would mean you think I’m acting like I did when I was town. This means you don’t actually think I’m bad and you wanting me voting out is in bad faith.

[KayJayQueue]

No one plays game constantly, it's big scumtell for you.

What?

[KayJayQueue]

Incorect i think you would had realised after that game you should have pushed your own mind more often instead of listening others. But there you are again.

Being wrong because we incorrectly assumed things about a game setup doesn’t mean I need to change how I play the game. It’s weird that you’re accusing me of being bad for not changing how I play after many people (much more experienced than I) said they’d have made the same mistake I did in that game. And you were coming from an informed standpoint in that game, so of course you think it’s obvious I should now “know better”. This is a dumb argument.

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: KJQ

sorry gal

That’s dumb. You can think I’m wrong without thinking I’m scum. You actually think this is a good vote?

yeah no I think you’re scum

That’s pretty crazy to me

[KayJayQueue]

not so long ago you were happy to be voted out. what changed? was it all just a bluff?

I said if we can’t find a wolf. Because I feel out of my depth, knowledge wise. But I’m still trying. But since I’m not a wolf, we aren’t finding one by voting me.

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: KJQ

sorry gal

That’s dumb. You can think I’m wrong without thinking I’m scum. You actually think this is a good vote?

yeah no I think you’re scum

I’d love to hear your case against me. I want it in detail the way town!ketchup would do it or else I think you’re going after an “easy” vote with me and that seems scummy.

[KayJayQueue]

Ya I am with Ketchup here

Are you also thinking I’m scum? Because you voted me during rvs but now I’m getting actually accused of being scum so if you agree, I’d also like to know why so I can defend myself.

[KayJayQueue]

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

This post…
I think Kay is undertoning that she never succesfully RVSs scum. But the phrasing of this on a reread seems off.

What’s the difference tonally between 'Imagine my rvs vote was actually on scum' and 'Imagine my rvs vote actually was on scum’? I think to me 'was actually' would sound more natural, as in like, "wow, imagine I actually got the scum right in RVS for once!" whereas ‘actually was' sounds like "imagine an alternate world where my rvs vote was on scum". sounds to me as if Kay is scum and Nick is not her partner

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

dumb telling or similar perhaps. I remember looking briefly at Kay’s scum game in the past and she had a lot of this, though that was her first game on the site

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

hmmm probably tonally NAI though might come back here later. implication that she knows she might have done something?

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

though with no wifom this would come from town, I somewhat feel like this is coming from wolf.

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

Interesting. Why was the reaction not more akin to 'Ummm I think it’s been decent. Let me check"? If Kay in town mindset, would she not remember her recent town stuff and be all too happy to share? But if Kay in scum mindset, might need to fact check

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

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Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

9 minute or so gap before posting this. Is she starting to doubt herself in Macbeth fashion? why am i probing her for this? is she scared?

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

'You said'- she was following the criteria I laid out and not free thinking

VOTE: enchant

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

Disconnect. KJQ’s Enchant vote feels a lot more just sheeping Jackson yet she never admits that, potentially suggesting the vote is grounded on nothing and fake yet she didn’t want to admit that as a wolf. If there is someone she has her eye on, why is she focusing on punishing someone (Enchant) for getting someone (experience) to claim that '

could

be scum'? KJQ had been on unvote after RVSing (Jackson sheeping) Nick for a while. Why come off now? It looks like a Jackson sheep to me, so why not admit that? After pressing, she said it was 60% a sheep. But why not say that before when I asked for the rationale?

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

KJQ unwilling/refusing to work with the town to facilitate, maybe

Remember my big, in-depth PurpleMango post that everyone said was confbias? This is the same. You read through my ISO trying to prove what I said was scummy, it doesn’t feel genuine or if it is, it’s in the same vein my PurpleMango post was: I thought I was gathering evidence but I was just finding things he said scummy because I was looking for it(and remember, I was wrong). I will respond to this in detail in a few hours but I have to drive to the airport soon so I can’t do the formatting the response calls for with the time I have at the moment.

[KayJayQueue]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

When you have time, I’d like to get your opinion on the last few pages too.

[KayJayQueue]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

LMAO

I might just have to make my response without proper formatting and just respond in a lump of text, do you mind if that’s what I do? I just can’t get on my laptop right now but I want to respond sooner than later.

[KayJayQueue]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

LMAO

I might just have to make my response without proper formatting and just respond in a lump of text, do you mind if that’s what I do? I just can’t get on my laptop right now but I want to respond sooner than later.

I don’t mind, but I won’t be reading it till morning anyway (~9 hours) so take your pick

Well I don’t want you to infer that me taking longer to post is indicative of me needing time to formulate an answer. So I’ll probably respond to it sooner than later, formatting be damned.

[KayJayQueue]

sounds good
why you airporting

Just had to pick my mom up like a good daughter does lol

[KayJayQueue]

nahh not even joking tho I swear the last people to say they were boarding a plane or similar were scum so mad sus rn ofc hmmmmmm

Well also tbf if I’m not killed, I travel for work so I will usually be boarding flights on Thursdays and Mondays. Everything that happened yesterday was after I got home from a long weekend and had barely slept lol

[KayJayQueue]

Why is it always the games like this where I don't try, I have people townreading me. And then when I try I have people scum read me

Take it from someone that always tries, it’s better to not, I think lol

[KayJayQueue]

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

This post…
I think Kay is undertoning that she never succesfully RVSs scum. But the phrasing of this on a reread seems off.

What’s the difference tonally between 'Imagine my rvs vote was actually on scum' and 'Imagine my rvs vote actually was on scum’? I think to me 'was actually' would sound more natural, as in like, "wow, imagine I actually got the scum right in RVS for once!" whereas ‘actually was' sounds like "imagine an alternate world where my rvs vote was on scum". sounds to me as if Kay is scum and Nick is not her partner

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

dumb telling or similar perhaps. I remember looking briefly at Kay’s scum game in the past and she had a lot of this, though that was her first game on the site

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

hmmm probably tonally NAI though might come back here later. implication that she knows she might have done something?

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

though with no wifom this would come from town, I somewhat feel like this is coming from wolf.

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

Interesting. Why was the reaction not more akin to 'Ummm I think it’s been decent. Let me check"? If Kay in town mindset, would she not remember her recent town stuff and be all too happy to share? But if Kay in scum mindset, might need to fact check

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

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Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

9 minute or so gap before posting this. Is she starting to doubt herself in Macbeth fashion? why am i probing her for this? is she scared?

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

'You said'- she was following the criteria I laid out and not free thinking

VOTE: enchant

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

Disconnect. KJQ’s Enchant vote feels a lot more just sheeping Jackson yet she never admits that, potentially suggesting the vote is grounded on nothing and fake yet she didn’t want to admit that as a wolf. If there is someone she has her eye on, why is she focusing on punishing someone (Enchant) for getting someone (experience) to claim that '

could

be scum'? KJQ had been on unvote after RVSing (Jackson sheeping) Nick for a while. Why come off now? It looks like a Jackson sheep to me, so why not admit that? After pressing, she said it was 60% a sheep. But why not say that before when I asked for the rationale?

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

KJQ unwilling/refusing to work with the town to facilitate, maybe

Quote 1: I don’t think my syntax should be used against me just because you don’t think it sounds natural. I would be very surprised if my rvs votes were ever on scum because I don’t vote people I think are scum in rvs, I vote random people. If those people later turn out to be scum, cool, but I wouldn’t give myself credit for voting them in rvs because I wasn’t doing it seriously.

Quote 2: not dumb telling, just dumb. Also watching wayyy too much Blood on the Clocktower where the roles can be bullshit lol so in a game where I have no idea what is happening and everyone seems to have a crazy role, I was doubting myself hard.

Quote 3 & 4: I don’t know what to tell you but that that’s just me. NAI at the least, if you’ve played with me, and since you have i wouldn’t expect you to seriously scum read me off this.

Quotes 5-8: I don’t want to give bad info so I wanted to actually look at my games and be sure. I play multiple mafia games at a time so it’s likely I might mix a few D1s up and I’d rather be accurate because I know any inaccuracy could be used against me. Also, I clarified that I was basing my answer off my interpretation of what you meant by “successful”. You asked me something specific, why would I be “free thinking” in my answer when I want to answer the question you asked accurately. This really feels like a reach especially when I had no problem engaging in this question even though I didn’t know how it was going to help you.

Last few quotes: I want to address the accusation of rvs sheeping Jack first: I did not sheep that vote. If I had gotten to the thread 10 minutes earlier, my vote would’ve been first and it would’ve said the exact same thing. I wanted to vote Nick for the alt reason before the thread was even locked. I really do want to know who he is lol

Aside from that, his vote on enchant made me pause and go back to reread what had recently happened and I didn’t like what I read. You know what happened from there. I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote. If you call that sheeping, that’s fine but either way it doesn’t make me bad. But it especially doesn’t when I had solid reasoning to have the thought process I did.

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: ketchup

I’m not buying that this is coming from a town perspective.

[KayJayQueue]

Spoiler: ketchup stuff

Spoiler:

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

This post…
I think Kay is undertoning that she never succesfully RVSs scum. But the phrasing of this on a reread seems off.

What’s the difference tonally between 'Imagine my rvs vote was actually on scum' and 'Imagine my rvs vote actually was on scum’? I think to me 'was actually' would sound more natural, as in like, "wow, imagine I actually got the scum right in RVS for once!" whereas ‘actually was' sounds like "imagine an alternate world where my rvs vote was on scum". sounds to me as if Kay is scum and Nick is not her partner

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

dumb telling or similar perhaps. I remember looking briefly at Kay’s scum game in the past and she had a lot of this, though that was her first game on the site

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

hmmm probably tonally NAI though might come back here later. implication that she knows she might have done something?

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

though with no wifom this would come from town, I somewhat feel like this is coming from wolf.

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

Interesting. Why was the reaction not more akin to 'Ummm I think it’s been decent. Let me check"? If Kay in town mindset, would she not remember her recent town stuff and be all too happy to share? But if Kay in scum mindset, might need to fact check

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

.

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

9 minute or so gap before posting this. Is she starting to doubt herself in Macbeth fashion? why am i probing her for this? is she scared?

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

'You said'- she was following the criteria I laid out and not free thinking

VOTE: enchant

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

Disconnect. KJQ’s Enchant vote feels a lot more just sheeping Jackson yet she never admits that, potentially suggesting the vote is grounded on nothing and fake yet she didn’t want to admit that as a wolf. If there is someone she has her eye on, why is she focusing on punishing someone (Enchant) for getting someone (experience) to claim that '

could

be scum'? KJQ had been on unvote after RVSing (Jackson sheeping) Nick for a while. Why come off now? It looks like a Jackson sheep to me, so why not admit that? After pressing, she said it was 60% a sheep. But why not say that before when I asked for the rationale?

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

KJQ unwilling/refusing to work with the town to facilitate, maybe

Quote 1: I don’t think my syntax should be used against me just because you don’t think it sounds natural. I would be very surprised if my rvs votes were ever on scum because I don’t vote people I think are scum in rvs, I vote random people. If those people later turn out to be scum, cool, but I wouldn’t give myself credit for voting them in rvs because I wasn’t doing it seriously.

you’d be surprised if they were ever on scum? shouldn’t they be on scum 1/4 of the time you are town?

Quote 2: not dumb telling, just dumb. Also watching wayyy too much Blood on the Clocktower where the roles can be bullshit lol so in a game where I have no idea what is happening and everyone seems to have a crazy role, I was doubting myself hard.

sure. i looked at your scum game where you also asked lots of questions about stuff but that was also your first game and now you’re 4+ games deep but it’s still not really a perfect comparison.

Quote 3 & 4: I don’t know what to tell you but that that’s just me. NAI at the least, if you’ve played with me, and since you have i wouldn’t expect you to seriously scum read me off this.

eh sure I could be seeing what I want to see

Quotes 5-8: I don’t want to give bad info so I wanted to actually look at my games and be sure. I play multiple mafia games at a time so it’s likely I might mix a few D1s up and I’d rather be accurate because I know any inaccuracy could be used against me. Also, I clarified that I was basing my answer off my interpretation of what you meant by “successful”. You asked me something specific, why would I be “free thinking” in my answer when I want to answer the question you asked accurately. This really feels like a reach especially when I had no problem engaging in this question even though I didn’t know how it was going to help you.

being sure is good yeah. but I felt like the fact that that was your first port of call, rather than 'I think __, but I’ll check' felt to me you were nervous you’d slip up. maybe

Last few quotes: I want to address the accusation of rvs sheeping Jack first: I did not sheep that vote. If I had gotten to the thread 10 minutes earlier, my vote would’ve been first and it would’ve said the exact same thing. I wanted to vote Nick for the alt reason before the thread was even locked. I really do want to know who he is lol

Aside from that, his vote on enchant made me pause and go back to reread what had recently happened and I didn’t like what I read. You know what happened from there. I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote. If you call that sheeping, that’s fine but either way it doesn’t make me bad. But it especially doesn’t when I had solid reasoning to have the thought process I did.[/color=purple]

I thought you said Jackson’s vote caused you to look back at Enchant. yet you say if you had got to the thread ten minutes earlier you’d vote Enchant. but if you had not looked back at Enchant yet, how could that be?

nvm you meant your rvs vote okok.

"I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote". what, didn’t you just say his rvs vote was

not

a catalyst to your vote. "exactly the same" as what?

hmm

I will compromise on some other people if need be, but not Enchant. Or others that I will express refusal for if I need to.

1. Again you are twisting things against me. I don’t understand your obsession with my rvs vote in this game or any other. I don’t use rvs to try to vote scum but to gather info. So you keep trying to make it make sense and that I should know if I rvs voted scum…to me it’s pointless either way. Rvs is random for a reason.

2. So I asked a lot of questions during my first game, yes because I was brand new. I needed those questions answered no matter what alignment I was. This game is not my first, sure, but it’s my first with mechanics I haven’t cone across before so I’m once again asking questions because I don’t have the answers. If you think that’s scum, it actually makes me annoyed because it once again makes me feel like my lack of experience is being used against me. You played with me in a newbie game where I was much more confident because the setup was straightforward and I got lucky to catch scum based off of meta. So entirety of day 1 there, I felt good. Did you notice how unsure I was in subsequent days? Maybe you should revisit that game if you forgot.

5-8. Again you are deciding that my words mean something they don’t just because you’re hoping they mean something scummy. It’s such a stretch to say I’m nervous because I answered a question you asked me in a way you didn’t expect. I answered your question and I did it pretty timely. I wasn’t trying to hide anything.

The rest: you misunderstood what I said. When I said “I said exactly the same” it was referring to when you asked in thread and I responded. Meaning - I’ve already explained this.

[KayJayQueue]

To be clear, when I said I did sheep Jack(60%), I meant the enchant vote not the rvs. And that’s all I was ever referencing when saying that I did sheep (in a way, as I said, his enchant vote made me reread and my reread it what made me place my vote)

[KayJayQueue]

@Jay

In actuality i just see you defending each other, why exactly you townread jackson

I never said I townread Jack. When have I defended him?

[KayJayQueue]

A lot of 'again', 'I‘ve already explained this', etc. people telling the truth can rephrase things. liars (generally) cannot.

detached and a minislip- scum don’t care about votes. rvs can be

almost

pointless to town but there’s still something to be got out of it, mefeels.

this came off as a bit passive aggressive and annoyed

but sorry you feel that way

I’m acting upset, annoyed and defensive because I’m feeling all of those things. I’m pretty sure nearly every time I’ve gotten to this point in a game where I have to continuously defend myself against things that are just being forced into the “this is scummy” role have all been me defending myself against the actual scum of the game. So me saying “again” so much is because my feelings are reaching outside of this game and being pulled from my combined experience in general. If you turn out to be town then you are just tunneled and you think you’re right, but you’re going about it all wrong. You’re not even trying to see the perspective that I could be town and you’re forcing a scumread on everything I say and do. If you’re scum, okay, that’s what scum does. It sucks for me that I’m so often the target of scum in this way but whatever, I guess that’s just your job.

But for my own sanity, I am going to stop trying to defend myself from what I really think is just scum trying to push me and make me look as bad as possible when I know I’m town.

[KayJayQueue]

So you sheep some random guy okay Jay

As I’ve said more than once, Jack voted you. I thought to myself “hmm that’s an interesting vote I wonder what brought that on” since it was a naked vote. I went back to reread the previous pages to see if I could understand a vote on you. Then I saw what I felt was inconsistency in your posts, re: asking for info, and then being against claiming. So at that point I thought to myself, this doesn’t make much sense I think I want to vote Enchant. So I did.

I think you and ketchup are getting hung up on the fact that it was Jack’s vote that was the catalyst for my vote when it could’ve been anyone.

[KayJayQueue]

I find it very odd that voting the same as another person is being pushed so hard as me “sheeping”. Ketchup called it that and I said sure, he was technically the reason for my vote. But why I’m being accused so hard of sheeping is beyond me when I’ve explained ad nauseam WHY I voted Enchant and not once did I say “well Jack voted so, so I did” which is what sheeping is. I don’t even know WHY Jack voted Enchant, I just know why I did.

Like seriously, go scrutinize someone else’s actions that aren’t being explained in detail every other post like mine are. I think I’m very much being used as a distraction here by scum and it’s really annoying.

[KayJayQueue]

By all means.

[KayJayQueue]

One day my scumpings for you will be right

this day is not that day. nor is tomorrow, Friday, Saturday or any day until this game ends. but it’s ok, tunneling me is basically obligatory jackson meta now

By all means.

do you believe in your vote on me or what?

Yes I believe in my vote on you but I want the conversation to move off of me since I’m town and focusing on me is wasting time. Again, as I said in a recent post, (btw this is why I keep saying this, because it hasn’t even been half a page since I’ve shared these thoughts so either you’re ignoring them to make me repeat myself or you’re just not paying attention, either way it’s exhausting) I think scum is using this (me) as a distraction. You could be keeping it going to continue the distraction as scum, or scum could be sitting by watching it happen. Currently, I’m leaning toward the first one so my vote is staying where it is until you do something that makes me think you’re town.

[KayJayQueue]

Does anyone want to explain their vote on Umlaut?

[KayJayQueue]

Kay is likely town. Ketchup is probably town. How about we push the focus elsewhere?

but sure

VOTE: Umlaut

So are you just sheeping Hu Tao?

[KayJayQueue]

Does anyone want to explain their vote on Umlaut?

sometimes scummy slot scum

So the answer is no, you don’t have an explanation. You came up with a deep dive on why you think I’m scum and have argued every single word Ive said since but here “scum is scum”…okay. Don’t mind me while I don’t believe this is genuine.

[KayJayQueue]

Does anyone want to explain their vote on Umlaut?

sometimes scummy slot scum

So the answer is no, you don’t have an explanation. You came up with a deep dive on why you think I’m scum and have argued every single word Ive said since but here “scum is scum”…okay. Don’t mind me while I don’t believe this is genuine.

anyway don’t pretend you and umlaut are symmetric. you have 91 posts and he has 7. how am I supposed to case umlaut

Right, Umlaut has 7, so it should be pretty easy to explain your vote. Unless you’re just sheeping to try to get any wagon to go forward that takes attention off of you. I don’t think you care who is limmed, and that doesn’t feel towny. You wanted me first, you thought I was the easy vote to push. You got pushback so jumped on another wagon. That’s what I’m observing.

[KayJayQueue]

I literally have nothing else to say about Umlaut, which is maybe the inherent problem with Umlaut in the first place?

Okay, that’s fair.

[KayJayQueue]

That’s ketchup trying to be funny since Umlaut needs 2 more votes.

[KayJayQueue]

Masons unite

Jack why you always do this lol

[KayJayQueue]

How does that dude have no votes apart from us

Honestly I’m not sure. I want input from experience, Umlaut, Nick, and Gypyx. Especially since Nick is still voting me after saying he thinks I’m more town than ketchup.

[KayJayQueue]

Didn’t do anything shhhh, let me *illegal word here* you

I could make that sentence mean so many things

[KayJayQueue]

Didn’t do anything shhhh, let me *illegal word here* you

I could make that sentence mean so many things

I once paid a lady in Reno to *illegal word* me, best weekend of my life.

But I digress

Can I be part of the 3 way masonry?

VOTE: Ketchup

A 3-way sounds very *illegal word* but I’m in if Jack’s in.

[KayJayQueue]

If this gets hammered and flips red, it would be luck imo. I have no reason to think umlaut is scum and basing it on activity when they were vla for a good chunk just feels meh to me. Thats why I won’t be voting that slot right now.

[KayJayQueue]

-

Just letting you know you’re at E-1 currently

[KayJayQueue]

I don’t think you care who is limmed, and that doesn’t feel towny. You wanted me first, you thought I was the easy vote to push. You got pushback so jumped on another wagon. That’s what I’m observing.

why would I think you would be an easy push, when last game we both heavily townread each other? why break out that mindset?

VOTE: KJQ

sorry gal

That’s dumb. You can think I’m wrong without thinking I’m scum. You actually think this is a good vote?

yeah no I think you’re scum

I’d love to hear your case against me. I want it in detail the way town!ketchup would do it or else I think you’re going after an “easy” vote with me and that seems scummy.

yeah no it’s not an easy vote. as observed by the fact I have since garnered 3 votes on me. umlaut first would’ve been a lot easier

It was easy at the time because I already had 2 votes on me so it’s not like you had to try to start a wagon. You just joined one and tried to give a ton of reasoning in the hopes others would jump on. It only turned out to not be easy after the fact because I defended myself and others agreed.

[KayJayQueue]

I an interested with how your wagon dissolved in general tho. There’s some shenanigans going on there mefeels, but I can’t place what yet

I think you’re looking for anything to be off in regards to me. Now my wagon was weird. So that means you have an opinion about Nick or Gypyx, go ahead and elaborate.

[KayJayQueue]

Like it feels less like hunting a wolf and more just for the sake of it, and that repulses me

I don’t understand the Umlaut wagon or how it could be hammered without us getting any info from the player. As I said, if the slot flips red, great, but it would be luck at that point. And I’d rather someone not be hammered that hasn’t even given their opinions yet. Unless they refuse to, that’s different.

[KayJayQueue]

Bruh

Jack - drop some reads please

[KayJayQueue]

i still think ketchup/kay are prob t/t.
so won't vote either.

thx
what about voting umlaut?

So you successfully got someone to sheep this wagon and you don’t seem to care at all that they didn’t really have a good reason for voting. Weird how “yeah sure they haven’t been here much” is acceptable as a sheep vote but I get hounded with questions for a vote that I explained multiple times and then still got sussed afterwards.

Does everyone actually think Umlaut is scum or are you just voting because they aren’t very active? Shouldn’t we get a more concrete read before just limming someone?

I’m just not understanding this course of action unless there’s a reason for it that I’m oblivious to or some info I don’t have that others do.

[KayJayQueue]

UNVOTE:

I want hummer

Well you better start begging Gypyx to switch votes because I highly doubt Umlaut is going to self vote.

[KayJayQueue]

If we are going off vibes we vote out umlaut or experience.

What about if we were going off more than just vibes?

[KayJayQueue]

If we are going off vibes we vote out umlaut or experience.

What about if we were going off more than just vibes?

I'd vote experience too. Either one. I usually go off vibes tho

Every else has good vibes then? Honestly, I’d prefer experience at this point because he so easily jumped on a wagon but I guess so did ketchup and now he’s pushing it hard. But I know you think he’s town. I really just want to hear from Umlaut, and maybe more from experience. I just don’t feel confident in voting off someone that hasn’t given me enough to get a read. It’s a micro so for me, vibes aren’t enough.

[KayJayQueue]

I still want umlaut

I figured. I still want ketchup lol

[KayJayQueue]

0

Have I asked you yet if this will finally be the game you betray me in it has to even out sometime!

[KayJayQueue]

but i'd be down to do umlaut as a compromise

that seems like a good idea

Do you have any other reads besides wanting to vote Umlaut and thinking ketchup and I are probably TvT?

[KayJayQueue]

I’m frustrated that Umlaut remains absent ugh

[KayJayQueue]

I’m frustrated that Umlaut remains absent ugh

Put pressure by voting them then

That would just cause Enchant to hammer, no pressure, just immediately limmed.

[KayJayQueue]

i still think ketchup/kay are prob t/t.
so won't vote either.

thx
what about voting umlaut?

i think i'll be fine with it.
tho moreso due to their lack of presence

do you think you have been present?

probably not that much tbh

mm you only had 10 more posts than Umlaut so is your vote not a little bit hypocritical?

So are you just gonna pressure the lurkers?

If that gets them to generate content, sure.
KJQ not a lurker tho and I pressured her

Do you wan to lim Kay? Or was is just for pressure?

yeah I think she has replicated her scumgame but I don’t think her lim will go through today, seeing how her wagon dissolved.

Out of curiosity did you only look at my scum game or did you look at any of the other town games I have outside the one we played together. I think that would give you much more info. Again, please remember my first game ever was a scum game so I had no idea how anything worked. It doesn’t mean every single thing I said in that game was AI. I can tell you my other games might help you see something that wasn’t necessary there in a newbie game I felt much more confident in. But you seem unable to entertain anything except what you think is your “correct read” (it’s not)

[KayJayQueue]

In the meantime, why is ketchup town again?

Everyone not voting ketchup, I’d appreciate some opinions on this.

[KayJayQueue]

Would be fair if both ketchup and umlaut claimed then.

Would be even better if Umlaut posted first lol

Also I don't want to be the one to mention that Enchant is again looking for claims.....basically unprompted as well, I wasn't thinking it was a big deal before......but now is a bit of a pattern

I’d love ketchup’s opinion on that since he’s basically been calling me scum since I pointed it out the first time when I originally voted Enchant.

[KayJayQueue]

scum

KJQ

Nick/Umlaut
Hu Tao
Gypyx
NULL experience

Enchant
Jackson
me, please save me ):
town

And you still think I’m scum. Riveting. Everything I’ve said or done in this game has been explained and you are tunneled on me - your ISO dive was weak, your reasoning doesn’t hold up, and you subsequently got enough votes to make you claim yet you won’t entertain a world where I’m town? I didn’t even vote you while you were initially questioning me because I don’t mind you trying to sort me but I feel you’ve completely ignored reason and are just being stubborn. You want a counterwagon or a better vote, give me a reason to stop feeling like you’re scumreading me out of vanity and try to give me a reason to townread you.

[KayJayQueue]

i just really think you’re scum this time idk what else to say, but I’m happy to admit I might be wrong and vote elsewhere, not happy enough to lie about you being my top scumread

Well you are wrong. And you might cost us the game later on if you continue to not look elsewhere. Besides Umlaut’s lack of activity, do you have a reason to scumread that slot? What about any others? Take me out of it for a second and think of who could be scum.

[KayJayQueue]

I know you posted a reads list but I’d like a bit more explanation of why you put players in that order, what your reasoning is behind each slot.

[KayJayQueue]

Thank you, I appreciate the response and post. I’m about to leave to work but I’ll read it in the car (I’m not driving lol)

[KayJayQueue]

Thank you, I appreciate the response and post. I’m about to leave to work but I’ll read it in the car (I’m not driving lol)

I had to be on a work call during the drive and then started work immediately so I didn’t get to read through. I’ll get to it sometime today but today will definitely be my busiest day. I’ll be stressed AF lol please don’t scumread me for working

[KayJayQueue]

calling while driving? so you have a habit of doing illegal things? like... murder?

/s

I just said earlier I wasn’t driving!!!

[KayJayQueue]

I have a bad taste in my mouth regarding voting Umlaut, I think that the chance of them flipping wolf is exactly the chance they randed wolf and the fact they can’t argue back is an even worse feeling. I’d prefer letting them replace and then sort them D2 personally.

I’d prefer this too but then is there another option? I’m still voting ketchup but I doubt that’ll go through with his claim. Then again I feel like almost everyone is claiming something.

[KayJayQueue]

True. But wolves are informed so i think they could fake a better claim

You must not remember my scum game

[KayJayQueue]

True. But wolves are informed so i think they could fake a better claim

How the fuck do you know that

Because I am informed of such.

hmm I might like kjq more now then

Yeah I’m just the village idiot lol

[KayJayQueue]

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I think i just had a stroke

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: Nick
ok

Ohhh look more sheeping! I’m beginning to get offended lol

[KayJayQueue]

yip yip yippeeee

UNVOTE:

Is ths this because of my unvote?

Because I am almost certain this claim comes from town

I am actually a bit curious why Ketchup didn't have any follow up questions for me, and instead was just happy people were unvoting him

It has really been feeling like ketchup is playing “anyone but me” with his pushes, his votes, his hypocrisy, etc. I think town!ketchup would be trying harder to find the correct person to vote not just whoever is available/might gain traction.

[KayJayQueue]

Oh that’s interesting.

[KayJayQueue]

i genuinely think we should massclaim and launch who we think is lying but someone, please, think about it and talk to me about it. noone is giving anything to the idea

I don’t think it’s a good idea because you’ll probably think (or act like you think, if you’re scum) I’m lying, push me, and also get everyone’s role in the process. No thank you.

[KayJayQueue]

So everyone is useless, not just me? Cool, finally a game with an even playing field lol

[KayJayQueue]

I will claim this: my role PM does NOT include the phrase.

[KayJayQueue]

okey

You still awake?

Doubt it, he’s usually asleep by now from what I’ve observed of his “going to sleep” posts lol

[KayJayQueue]

I also am informed of something else, pertaining to Ketchup, which I basically keep hinting at, yet he is not engaging with me about(besides him being happy I unvoted him, which I did as a type of reaction test)

I’m so oblivious. I wonder if I’d even pick up on any hints if I don’t know the role or mechanic that’s being hinted at. Damn.

[KayJayQueue]

I also am informed of something else, pertaining to Ketchup, which I basically keep hinting at, yet he is not engaging with me about(besides him being happy I unvoted him, which I did as a type of reaction test)

I’m so oblivious. I wonder if I’d even pick up on any hints if I don’t know the role or mechanic that’s being hinted at. Damn.

Oh I have been very vague about it, but I don't want to out everything about my role, and about anyone else's

But talking to Ketchup can potentially lock town him for me

Oh, don’t misunderstand, I don’t want you to put your role. I feel like town is giving scum wayyy to much info Day 1. I could be too anxious or just wrong but it just feels like we’re giving away all our secrets which means we can’t use them to catch them in lies later. I understand that outting all info COULD also help us solve…but that’s not certain especially if scum is good at towing or if their role sounds just as plausible as a town claim and we believe the wrong people.

[KayJayQueue]

So…what’s up people lol

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: umalut

i changed my mind

What prompted the change?

[KayJayQueue]

Hu tao is just doing pop ins not saying anything

The irony of your slot commenting on activity lol

Why does activity make Ketchup townier than Hu?

Pre Edit: I don't think Ketchup's claim is AI

I thought you thought it cleared me or something

I know I complained earlier about you getting on me for not forming sentences the way you wanted me to but this response genuinely feels off. If you were town and thought someone cleared you, wouldn’t you ask “didn’t it clear me?” But saying “I thought

you

thought it cleared me” makes it sound like you don’t have conviction that you’d be clear but were hopeful someone THOUGHT you were clear.

[KayJayQueue]

I still don’t like this vote.

[KayJayQueue]

Yeah. Looks like they just wanted to vote someone with 2 votes already. It's likely a scum slot and we should have eliminated them 3 days ago

I don’t think this is an appropriate assumption to make and it just feels like a reaction to being voted/being the counterwagon. Which I understand but that doesn’t mean STD-slot is the correct vote either.

[KayJayQueue]

If this vote is right, that’s great but as I said before I feel like a lot of it was just like that Umlaut was v/la and not present. No one should ever be using that as AI and I’m not going to give much credit to those pushing a slot that was inactive and inevitably being replaced. I feel like town would want input from the slot before just yeeting them. Didn’t even announce intent to hammer to get a claim, just hammered. It’s just leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

[KayJayQueue]

Not always. But at least it worked.

Why does Jack die first in almost every game, this is so annoying. But after his claim, it felt inevitable.

[KayJayQueue]

I don’t think I’d be trying to save my partner so vocally and pushing against that vote so hard if I’m bad. But I guess that’s for you guys to decide. Getting scum out day 1 gives us time to mislim if absolutely necessary. If you feel the need to vote me out to help your POE, go for it. I still don’t like ketchup. I guess if we get any info from the night, my mind can be changed. I think scum bussed.

[KayJayQueue]

Not always. But at least it worked.

Why does Jack die first in almost every game, this is so annoying. But after his claim, it felt inevitable.

What if I said you're looking kinda sus. How would you respond?

I understand the feeling but it’s wrong.

[KayJayQueue]

Why do you think Jackson died

Because he was townread by people and his role was probably something scum was scared of living past N1.

[KayJayQueue]

Why do you think Jackson died

Because he was townread by people and his role was probably something scum was scared of living past N1.

not the fact he was virtually conftown?

I figured if I used the word conftown I’d get pushback and be asked to explain why, so I said townread. Because I don’t really understand all the role mechanics and I don’t think I could explain why. I know I townread him, I know others did.

[KayJayQueue]

anyway, wow, we got a wolf! I’d like to think me and nick look very good now

No you still don’t look good to me lol your D1 actions against me were just so weird and unnecessary and I can’t honestly believe that you think I’m scum in this game. Especially when it all happened way before I pushed back on the Umlaut vote so you can’t even use that as an excuse even though I think you’re smart enough to know I wouldn’t be that vocal and pushing to save scum if I was also scum.

[KayJayQueue]

Why do you think Jackson died

Because he was townread by people and his role was probably something scum was scared of living past N1.

Why wouldn’t they be more scared of me? Jack had outed all his info

Because he was definitely town. You’re not.

[KayJayQueue]

Why do you think Jackson died

Because he was townread by people and his role was probably something scum was scared of living past N1.

Why wouldn’t they be more scared of me? Jack had outed all his info

Because he was definitely town. You’re not.

Please elaborate on what you mean by 'definitely' and how you arrived to that conclusion

You’re joking right. This is literally what I just said would happen if I used the word “conftown”. Stop being annoying. You said it yourself.

[KayJayQueue]

Stop wasting time on me. If I’m going to be some huge distraction, just take me out of the equation. If you’re going to continue to argue against everything I say, you are just making it easier for scum to go under the radar. If YOU are scum, congrats you made it so unenjoyable to play this game by focusing entirely on me that I’d rather be dead.

VOTE: Kay

[KayJayQueue]

Hu my existence in this game is pointless if not detrimental.

[KayJayQueue]

Hu my existence in this game is pointless if not detrimental.

please just answer my question

I thought Jack was town. That’s it.

[KayJayQueue]

See how unnecessary it was to push me on that? It’s like you’re trying to get a rise out of me. I don’t understand why town!ketchup would keep pushing even if you no longer thought I was scum. Especially because who gives a shit if I thought Jack was town? Everyone else did and probably had more informed reasons to, including scum. So his death makes plenty sense yet you still had to ask why Jack is more scary than you? It feels very self centered and self motivated. And because you’re still acting like this D2, I still don’t think you’re town or at least you’re too focused on me to be helping town much.

[KayJayQueue]

I am tired.


I am informed that:
1. There's no Wolf-Aligned Masons.
2. There's 3 players who have "Serial Killer-aligned Innocent Children" phrase in Role PM. 2 of them town, 1 is Wolf.


Unless someone comes yelling they have this phrase in role PM, Jackson conftown.
I am one of these players obviosly.
Third will either claim instantly or never claim.


I am never unvoting Hu Tao, it feels like wolfs know claiming information will harm them. Hu Tao can't make up something. Hu Tao dies.

That's simple and fair i guess.

For your convenience this is why he was conf

Great so why ask me, exactly? No reason to. Just to be an ass.

[KayJayQueue]

See how unnecessary it was to push me on that? It’s like you’re trying to get a rise out of me. I don’t understand why town!ketchup would keep pushing even if you no longer thought I was scum. Especially because who gives a shit if I thought Jack was town? Everyone else did and probably had more informed reasons to, including scum. So his death makes plenty sense yet you still had to ask why Jack is more scary than you? It feels very self centered and self motivated. And because you’re still acting like this D2, I still don’t think you’re town or at least you’re too focused on me to be helping town much.

Jack was NKed and I want to understand if you would have NKed him

If I was scum? Absolutely I’d NK him.

[KayJayQueue]

You should stick by your convictions and vote for me then.

[KayJayQueue]

Yes but I think it’s weird that you are scumreading me but refuse to vote me now.

[KayJayQueue]

Hu my existence in this game is pointless if not detrimental.

We are in a good spot. We need to figure out stuff. Everyone hasn't talked yet

Well I’m extremely frustrated with this game.

[KayJayQueue]

anyway, wow, we got a wolf! I’d like to think me and nick look very good now

Me because why would I claim the exact same days (101,102,103) as my partner. Nick because umlaut’s opening post felt opportunist to quickwagon nick

Not sure how either of these reasons clear either of us tbf

Do you think scum bussed Umlaut?

[KayJayQueue]

anyway, wow, we got a wolf! I’d like to think me and nick look very good now

Me because why would I claim the exact same days (101,102,103) as my partner. Nick because umlaut’s opening post felt opportunist to quickwagon nick

Not sure how either of these reasons clear either of us tbf

Do you think scum bussed Umlaut?

Well since I think Enchant is pretty clearly town, and I don't buy that you would so hard protect your buddy like you did if you were scum(though you could be a wifom nightmare in end game), I would say that more likely than not scum bussed their buddy

I won’t be killed at night so I need to be limmed before elo. Unless we are certain of the second scum, I’d prefer to be the lim today for multiple reasons.

[KayJayQueue]

anyway, wow, we got a wolf! I’d like to think me and nick look very good now

Me because why would I claim the exact same days (101,102,103) as my partner. Nick because umlaut’s opening post felt opportunist to quickwagon nick

Not sure how either of these reasons clear either of us tbf

Do you think scum bussed Umlaut?

Well since I think Enchant is pretty clearly town, and I don't buy that you would so hard protect your buddy like you did if you were scum(though you could be a wifom nightmare in end game), I would say that more likely than not scum bussed their buddy

I won’t be killed at night so I need to be limmed before elo. Unless we are certain of the second scum, I’d prefer to be the lim today for multiple reasons.

I would prefer to actually lim someone I think is scum over 'a wifom nightmare' as I described you.....who I still think is town......if that makes sense

We need really good reasoning for second scum or I won’t be on board. I’d prefer someone coming back today with relevant info from the night phase. If we have nothing to go off of, I think we lim me today, mass claim tomorrow. Because the only mislim I think we can afford today is me.

And I still don’t feel good about ketchup. Another reason for me to be limmed, so I stop tunneling because he’s given me no good reason to think he’s town and I will continue to think he’s scum or at least not helping find scum.

[KayJayQueue]

if you’re town you should know

Well then you should just vote me since I don’t know

[KayJayQueue]

Yes, I am being annoyingly cryptic. Sorry

Yes, you are being annoying.

[KayJayQueue]

i think i understeand what ketchup's on about

And it’s something that can’t be talked about? If so, why is it being brought up?

[KayJayQueue]

GREEN COLOR?

DID I WIN?

Not yet. But hopefully soon.

[KayJayQueue]

Why won’t I get voted out?

[KayJayQueue]

It’s not your decision who gets voted out or not. You’re one person.

[KayJayQueue]

this is very much the moment where you look at your role pm, dwell on it for sixty seconds and then, with a possible reread of the rules, go, oh.

Stop being so fucking condescending, god if you’re town, reevaluate how you’re playing this game. Do you think you’re finding scum by doing this? Get off your high horse and actually give reasons why someone is scum. If you won’t vote me it means you don’t think I’m scum. So WHO IS SCUM?

[KayJayQueue]

am i genuinely coming off as condescending? i thought not

You are.

[KayJayQueue]

this is very much the moment where you look at your role pm, dwell on it for sixty seconds and then, with a possible reread of the rules, go, oh.

Stop being so fucking condescending, god if you’re town, reevaluate how you’re playing this game. Do you think you’re finding scum by doing this? Get off your high horse and actually give reasons why someone is scum. If you won’t vote me it means you don’t think I’m scum. So WHO IS SCUM?

yeah i think im doing pretty well rn

Why don’t you vote scum then, since you know who it is?

[KayJayQueue]

so i was confused because unless youre both vt the other should be conftown from your pov
or

I was cryptic, but I think it is obvious I am not a VT

I am still confused a bit lol

Yes. It is obvious. So either ketchup is playing dumb or can’t keep his story straight.

[KayJayQueue]

well then you're stuck here for now sorry kay

Why

[KayJayQueue]

Why would I ever do anything just because YOU demand it? In what world am I listening to you in this game?

[KayJayQueue]

I don’t care about being conftown. You should’ve treated me better this entire game if you wanted to demand answers from me. You think you’re running this game for some reason. And even if you are town, you don’t deserve the satisfaction of getting an answer from me.

[KayJayQueue]

I don’t need you to clear me. I don’t trust you.

[KayJayQueue]

It’s been 5 minutes - I thought you were about to solve the game?

[KayJayQueue]

Ideally if we were to mass claim today I would claim as late as possible

I don't think we mass claim today. Maybe tomorrow. We got scum already. We are ahead.

Oh yeah tru actually I was in the 1 day before ElO mindset

More inconsistency from ketchup. Agreeing we shouldn’t claim until D3 but then hard pushing me to claim just a bit later.

[KayJayQueue]

you are town but pissed at me

i solved the game

Then share the solve so we can win, why not come forward with it?

[KayJayQueue]

So what you’re saying is that you are trying to force a mass claim(because you think you know everyone’s role) even though you agreed to push it a day phase when responding to Hu.

[KayJayQueue]

Do you know who scum is?

[KayJayQueue]

You burned any “teamwork” bridge but continuing today the same way you were acting towards me day 1. Especially considering you wanted to force me to claim after giving me no reason to trust you.

[KayJayQueue]

if not then hu tao or potentially enchant or nick but nahhh

So you’re saying you don’t actually know shit lol I could’ve also said “I’ve solved it! it’s probably anyone except me!”

[KayJayQueue]

If anyone else has reason (info) on why scum is experience or gypyx, please chime in. We don’t need to know the contents of the info but I’d love more to go off of other than “vibes” and “ketchup thinks so, probably” if we are trying to find scum.

[KayJayQueue]

if you wanna ridicule me go for it idc

I think if you’re 100% genuine, you approached this entire day the wrong way. I think you need to spend more time gathering your thoughts before trying to solve the game and a lot of this could’ve been avoided.

[KayJayQueue]

i mean i could say the same to you but ill disengage because this isnt getting anywhere except backwards

I didn’t try to demand that anyone else claim their role. I didn’t insinuate I knew who scum was or attempt to solve the game without really being able to. If you’re upset about how I reacted to you, maybe an explanation you don’t want to see is that it’s because you approached me and this entire situation completely wrong.

[KayJayQueue]

i am annoyed at myself i missed that nick was part-claimed but it ok

I also find it odd you’d forget that since he very clearly said he had something with regard to you because of his role. I would’ve thought that might’ve stuck with you.

[KayJayQueue]

you call me condescending because i hold info back because it beneficial
that not condescending
stonks

If you think that’s why I called you condescending, you may want to reread the post I quoted when calling you condescending.

[KayJayQueue]

DO IT SOLDIER

I’m coming around more and more to enjoying you

[KayJayQueue]

Ketchup still doing everything in his power to push a full claim today lol

[KayJayQueue]

It may be towny but it sure is hypocritical lol

[KayJayQueue]

@ketchup: Honestly I don’t get why you’d compile the post unless you were pushing people to claim. All you’ve done is made it easier on scum to decide who to kill because you condensed everything into one post for them. This is not helpful to town whatsoever. If you want to compile that, do it in your own notes or whatever. And wait to post until we claim or whatever your point in doing that even was. You achieved nothing good by doing that and your gameplay continues to annoy me this game.

[KayJayQueue]

@ketchup: Honestly I don’t get why you’d compile the post unless you were pushing people to claim. All you’ve done is made it easier on scum to decide who to kill because you condensed everything into one post for them. This is not helpful to town whatsoever. If you want to compile that, do it in your own notes or whatever. And wait to post until we claim or whatever your point in doing that even was. You achieved nothing good by doing that and your gameplay continues to annoy me this game.

Wait didn't i ask ketchup to do it?

Scum! You did! Do you want us all to claim today? I blame you both.

[KayJayQueue]

Let’s just kill me today and make it harder for scum tonight. Unless you guys have a good idea of who is lying/whose claim is scum…I don’t see a way to differentiate between them because any role could seemingly be either. Unless I’m missing something.

[KayJayQueue]

blame me sure

Okay, I take it back. I only half blame you, apologies lol

[KayJayQueue]

Let’s just kill me today and make it harder for scum tonight. Unless you guys have a good idea of who is lying/whose claim is scum…I don’t see a way to differentiate between them because any role could seemingly be either. Unless I’m missing something.

sorry, not happening jester

Is that what you’re scared of lol

[KayJayQueue]

we are not limming you because our Lord and saviour biancospino decided to make you conftown.

Weird, where was that opinion day 1? Hmmmm

[KayJayQueue]

@ketchup: Honestly I don’t get why you’d compile the post unless you were pushing people to claim. All you’ve done is made it easier on scum to decide who to kill because you condensed everything into one post for them. This is not helpful to town whatsoever. If you want to compile that, do it in your own notes or whatever. And wait to post until we claim or whatever your point in doing that even was. You achieved nothing good by doing that and your gameplay continues to annoy me this game.

You might be right but I’m hoping the other people on our side find more use from it than the scum. but idk

What use can we find in it? As I said, all these roles can be claimed by both town and scum, so just compiling the “claims so far” does nothing if we aren’t all hard claiming and can then measure initial claims, hard claims, other info and looking for inconsistency. You already demanding to go last with your info when a claim does happen makes me trust you less because it feels like you want to make sure your info makes sense and fits in with everyone else’s so you won’t get immediately identified as scum. I don’t know why you think you have any reason to be given the last spot in a mass claim anyway. What have you done to make you town over others?

[KayJayQueue]

Let’s just kill me today and make it harder for scum tonight. Unless you guys have a good idea of who is lying/whose claim is scum…I don’t see a way to differentiate between them because any role could seemingly be either. Unless I’m missing something.

nah.
i think you're town.

Who is scum?

[KayJayQueue]

maybe one of hu/nick/enchant

Could you expand on that? What gives you that feeling?