Open 108 - Weak M.D. - Game over before 725

[Netlava]

Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

[Netlava]

Vote: Gamma

[Netlava]

First person to vote me in random tends to be scum in past games. So I'm suspicious of Korts.

[Netlava]

Meta only applies when I'm town, of course.

[Netlava]

I agree with the hypo-doc and hypo-hider plans.

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Oh, and to add to that, I also agree with GIEFF's rigid system.

[Netlava]

Shit! Forgot this game even existed. At this point, I'm fine this whole hypo-doc strategy and whatever, but guys, I'd rather not

completely

lose this entire day to metagame discussion. There are still scum to lynch

and townies to mislynch

.

Eh, this post seems kinda fake. I agree that it is scummy.

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EBWOP: actually it's not distancing. I thought the scumteam was only two players, but since it's three, rofl-BA-Net seems more plausible derived from that.

Re-reading the thread, I just thought it strange that an experienced player would think the scumteam had only two players.

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How is it strange, and how is it related to experience? I didn't remember that this is a 12 player game.

Strange in that you could be lying about it. Related to experience in that almost all games of 12 have 3 scum, so expecting 2 is a bit strange. But I suppose it is explained by forgetting the number of players.

As for the hypo-plan, I think each person should hypo-claim a different person, changing every night.

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I still like my Gamma vote. He is lurking rather hard for someone who seemed concerned at having forgotten about the game shortly earlier.

good to know you´re town though.

Having such a definitive pro-town read on someone this early is a bit strange.

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One thing that stuck out to me about ryan was this:

My reason is the same as Caboose's that post is extremely scummy in my eyes.

While I agree that Gamma has been scummy, "extremely scummy" is an overstatement. I was expecting more of a follow-up on suspicions of these types but he hasn't.

Another thing that I noticed:

The ryan-wagon is obviously scum-ridden at this point.

I find this comment suspicious since I think town would focus more on the specifics rather than vaguely calling out the wagon. Plus, it is a bit of an exaggeration

[Netlava]

Still here.

For hypoclaims, I like dice rolls. Random and verifiable.

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He has the most posts of the players here Very Happy. It's random and can be checked by everyone.

This isn't really random...

Anyways, Gamma is still suspicious. In his last post, he again comments how we should be scumhunting but still does not comment on anyone's scumminess in the game. He seems to be expressing a desire to scumhunt without actually scumhunting, and subsequently it seems fake.

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So, Netlava: what do you want to see out of me to feel good about placing your vote on me? What do you not want to see which would make you less safe about a gammawagon?

Anything that makes me think a person not scum.

Net, Gamma hasn't posted between your last post and the one before. Why reiterate the suspicion against him?

I was pointing out that his most recent post was scummy in addition to his first post.

It will most likely get called out as OMGUS. that's fine with me.

This is strange. I would think that a person would not be fine with his case being called omgus if weren't actually omgus.

I hypoprotect Korts, hypohide behind roflcopter.

What's your reasoning behind hypoclaiming out of order?

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Also, I hope to hear more from BlakAdder and ryan before a lynch occurs. I also prefer dice rolls over number of posts. Random =/= arbitrary, and using an arbitrary criteria still leaves the possibility of scum arranging the claims to their advantage.

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Then why claim in the first place? Besides, hypoclaiming is important for the actual power roles.

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Who do you think is scum?

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Unvote

I'm going to re-read.

I agree that ryan's last post is scummy.

[Netlava]

Gamma's play is strange and definitely anti-town, but I haven't been able to get a clear scum read on him. Ryan, though, is making me suspicious with his last post where he addresses nothing and posts some (obvious) fluff.

His last post is also scummy.

An explanation would be nice...Trying to start the wagon again?

The "trying to start the wagon" ignores the possibility that a wagon would be justified and seems like a typical comment that scum would throw out.

Vote: ryan2754

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Ummm, ok, but I'm pretty sure other people have asked the same questions to other people. Whether or not the wagon seems justified, I am pretty sure I can ask him why he feels I am suspicious. Other have been doing the same thing.

The problem is with the "trying to start a wagon again?" comment not with asking why people find you suspicious.

You have FOS ryan and believe that he could be mafia. I am looking to you to look through his latest posts which I believe to be scummy and tell me why I am wrong or right.

I'd prefer if you'd explain to me which posts you mean by "latest posts".

The question is, "what do you think of ryan now?" Seeing as you posted your case on ryan and haven't acknowledged it since, other than an unvote on a vote that was never placed.

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As for hypoclaiming:

If I'm doc, I protect magisterrain.
If I'm hider, I hide behind Gamma.

magisterrain next?

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^- was his defense against my case.

That's not his defense against your case. You didn't post your case yet at that time.

My feelings against him don't differ from what i first felt. He's only made 10 posts. I don't call that much progession.

What do you think of ryan? It's not clear in your posts what you think.

Also, why did you unvote later and say "let's start scumhunting"? You didn't have a vote placed at that time. Who did you think you were voting?

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What do you think of ryan? It's not clear in your posts what you think.

Also, why did you unvote later and say "let's start scumhunting"?

[Netlava]

Uh, then I pick rofl to hypo next.

[Netlava]

My vote's on ryan, but I could go with a Gamma lynch as well.

[Netlava]

I'm kinda busy (and sick) atm, but I will post later.

[Netlava]

I beleive that's concise enough, considering you have more experience with the hypoclaim situation than me, but nice try.

Don't like the insertion of "nice try" here. Usually, a comment like "nice try" is directed at someone you think is scum.

Ryan is redeeming himself slowly, but that may just be in the fear of getting lynched.

I must echo the question - how?

In addition, what the heck is going on with Netlava hiding behind Gamma? FoS anyone who is hiding behind Gamma.

The plan is to have one person hide behind every person.

That way, if I'm the hider and if I get killed, then we'll know that gamma is scum.

[Netlava]

Yeah, that's true. I hypohide behind pops then.

Anyways, since hypoclaiming is finished, does anyone have any questions before I hammer Gamma?

[Netlava]

No? Then don't mind if I do

Unvote, vote: Gamma

(As I side note, I think everyone has said their piece so no need to wait any longer)

[Netlava]

Vote: RedCoyote

Pops hid behind him.