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Post Post #850 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 5:51 pm

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As a certified and accredited Dragon Reader it'll have to wait until we can verify DEs alignment
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Post Post #851 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 5:54 pm

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In post 850, Flower wrote: As a certified and accredited Dragon Reader it'll have to wait until we can verify DEs alignment
Fair enough, that is red business anyways

How about vote Gyp then?
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Post Post #852 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 6:29 pm

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VOTE: Gypyx
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Post Post #853 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 6:54 pm

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In post 852, Flower wrote: VOTE: Gypyx
This is the second time I manipulated someone to vote where I wanted

I like it :twisted:
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Post Post #854 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 7:32 pm

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Drew I'll vote wherever you want
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Post Post #855 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 7:33 pm

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In post 853, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 852, Flower wrote: VOTE: Gypyx
This is the second time I manipulated someone to vote where I wanted

I like it :twisted:
Slowly corrupting Drew to the "just kill people" darkside
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Post Post #856 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 7:50 pm

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In post 846, Korina wrote:
In post 830, Hypershock wrote: I also don't really like Korina's posts (tone and interactions feel a bit off), but that's a separate issue that I'll go into when I analyze blue later. They're sick,
and probably not entirely in the best mood
, so I'll withhold judgement for now.
+1 to bolded
and yet we can analyze how heavily you lean into this in terms of trying to use it as an excuse or if it is just a natural element affecting your play.
It's clearly the former right now
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Post Post #857 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 7:54 pm

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In post 832, KayJayQueue wrote:
In post 829, Hypershock wrote: VOTE: KayJayQueue

I already wolfread them for a while, but the vote on Korina just solidified this. Opportunistic as hell, trying to get cred in the opposing game by sheeping some pretty bad logic (I've literally never played a game before and I even I know that "green pm" is a figure of speech). Also note that this is her only substantive contribution of the day regarding actual wolfhunting (the rest has been fluffposting and reads on herself), and it's not even in her own game.
This wrong, sorry
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Post Post #858 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 7:54 pm

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In post 849, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 847, Flower wrote:
In post 782, ITF wrote: VOTE:
Flower
Still red team baby :cool:
In post 798, Doctor Drew wrote: also still Flower is scum
Drew why are we scum
Because I said so

And if that isn't a good enough reason, because my first instinct said so

So either join the Cult of Drew and help lim Dragon or Gyp.....or die along with them
I reject ur town/town wagon push... join in anix/Korina wagon supremacy.
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Post Post #859 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 8:58 pm

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In post 765, Hypershock wrote: Ok this is probably me being a newb but...

Can anyone clarify to me what makes him wolfy in particular? He seems interested in solving and explaining his reads, and hasn't done anything overtly anti-town as far as I can tell.
Since I'm the one who called him wolfy, let me explain:

Mafia and town have a different objective in the game (obviously), and you can say that town's objective is to kill all mafia and that mafia's objective is to kill all town. However truth is that the mafia's objective is not actually to kill all town, but to
survive
enough eliminations to reach equality. So it's actually in the mafia's best interest to "look good" in order to avoid elimination. Town on the other hand DON'T have the objective of avoiding elimination (at least not as the primary objective), they have the objective of eliminating mafia. All of this means that trying to "look good" is wolfy characteristic. And that's exactly what I feel SmileyDude1 is doing! I think that his post which I quoted () uses many words to talk about things which IMO he wouldn't be talking about as town, in an effort to look like he is being thoughtful and solving. I highlighted in particular the parts about Gypyx because he basically takes three different posts she made and says "oh this could be scummy but maybe not" which just reads as him trying to take a stance for the sake of taking a stance (because taking a stance is towny) but actually being non-commital because he is concerned with whether that stance would be a good stance to make or would it put him under pressure.

Then the problem with is that, IMO, it feels like he is making a readlist to show how consistent his thinking is, rather than a readlist that shows his actual thought progression. Like, the readlist aligns
too well
with what he had just said and it doesn't feel natural at all. It feels like he scanned his own ISO and previous post to see where he should place each read rather than going with what he actually feels (of course, I might be wrong, but that's what it feels like from how it's constructed etc.)
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Post Post #860 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 8:59 pm

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In post 858, DkKoba wrote: I reject ur town/town wagon push... join in anix/Korina wagon supremacy.
Care to case AniX?
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Post Post #861 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2024 9:26 pm

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People told me opposite that i should atleast try to look like decent person, because being D1 elim is not way.
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Post Post #862 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 4:33 am

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In post 799, Doctor Drew wrote: Ok, why does ITF voting Flowers make them town?
Mafia usually doesn't enter thread naked vote a player leave.
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Post Post #863 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 4:34 am

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In post 810, DkKoba wrote: im kinda jealous that blue team randed more polarized players cuz it makes yalls game easier
No both games seem easy
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Post Post #864 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 4:37 am

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Learned nothing from backreading
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Post Post #865 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 4:47 am

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In post 845, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, Hyper......can I interest you in joining my cult?
Technically I'm already in your cult by virtue of being you, but I'll join in return for a vote on KayJayQueue. I'll vote Gypyx if you want :D
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Post Post #866 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 4:54 am

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In post 859, DragonEater70 wrote: Since I'm the one who called him wolfy, let me explain:

Mafia and town have a different objective in the game (obviously), and you can say that town's objective is to kill all mafia and that mafia's objective is to kill all town. However truth is that the mafia's objective is not actually to kill all town, but to survive enough eliminations to reach equality. So it's actually in the mafia's best interest to "look good" in order to avoid elimination. Town on the other hand DON'T have the objective of avoiding elimination (at least not as the primary objective), they have the objective of eliminating mafia. All of this means that trying to "look good" is wolfy characteristic. And that's exactly what I feel SmileyDude1 is doing! I think that his post which I quoted (531) uses many words to talk about things which IMO he wouldn't be talking about as town, in an effort to look like he is being thoughtful and solving. I highlighted in particular the parts about Gypyx because he basically takes three different posts she made and says "oh this could be scummy but maybe not" which just reads as him trying to take a stance for the sake of taking a stance (because taking a stance is towny) but actually being non-commital because he is concerned with whether that stance would be a good stance to make or would it put him under pressure.

Then the problem with 535 is that, IMO, it feels like he is making a readlist to show how consistent his thinking is, rather than a readlist that shows his actual thought progression. Like, the readlist aligns too well with what he had just said and it doesn't feel natural at all. It feels like he scanned his own ISO and previous post to see where he should place each read rather than going with what he actually feels (of course, I might be wrong, but that's what it feels like from how it's constructed etc.)
I see what you mean, his reads do seem artificial in some way. I'll look into it later when I'm isoing blue game (really behind on that, unfortunately...)
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Post Post #867 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 6:11 am

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should i start townposting guys
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Post Post #868 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 6:12 am

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If you say less you are contractually bound to townread whatever garbage i come up with
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Post Post #869 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 6:12 am

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if you say yes*

this is NOT starting well
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Post Post #870 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 6:14 am

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In post 867, Gypyx wrote: should i start townposting guys
Show me how so I can prove Im town too
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Post Post #871 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 6:22 am

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Did you get a red PM? Or a red PM?
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Post Post #872 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 6:22 am

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I legitimately cannot tell at this point whether KJQ is openwolfing or just doesn't give a damn :|
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Post Post #873 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 6:27 am

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In post 871, Save The Dragons wrote: Did you get a red PM? Or a red PM?
Mine was red and it took me awhile to figure that I was actually town ngl lol
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Post Post #874 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2024 6:30 am

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In post 870, KayJayQueue wrote:
In post 867, Gypyx wrote: should i start townposting guys
Show me how so I can prove Im town too
Well you see, you have a keyboard

and with that you type letters

then usually I black out for 1-2 days then i'm conftown
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