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Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:44 pm

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In post 1772, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Basically what I'm getting is that someone somewhere should investigate Enchant so we dont waste a mislim and in the meantime we should find something more productive.
I am bad investigate. If i am proved town will you actually follow my leads?

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Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:45 pm

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If you think why i am on counterwagon. Well i just saw STD trying to make them even.
So i must ruin it.
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Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:54 pm

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I feel like Marci is a good wagon

VOTE: Marcistar

I'm reading early day and some of her jokey posts are a little too on the nose for my taste. Her early gameplay doesn't really make sense to me either. There's like this argument she gets in around the merit of wagons with Pink and she votes STD who is like sort of defending that Daisy is town. Nothing really happens after the vote as far as I can tell, then she later unvotes as part of this bit about STD being the driver than almost hit her irl.

I cant tell what her stance on Daisy actually was because she like argues with Pink indirectly fighting against it by saying wagons with 0 reasons are bad. And that's not the Daisy wagon, there were reasons for it.

Idk I just have a feeling I guess. Too many posts.thst make too much sense for scum. I'll quote some that are giving me.weird.vibes and explain
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Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:56 pm

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But I was looking into her because I feel like her unvoting halfasleep was maybe because they're partnered
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Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:54 pm

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In post 1734, DragonEater70 wrote: Tbh I think Kyouko might be near locktown for me after her few recent posts.

Since apparently not explaining my progression means I am an evil scum who must be purged off the face of the earth (See last paragraph of , I shall explain my entire progression on her up to and including refuting the entire paragraph :D

I entered the game, I didn't really feel like backreading a ton so I only read a small number of slots. I didn't really read anything of Kyouko's. Then I had a bit of free time, I skimmed her ISO in a very lazy fashion, felt like most of it didn't really ping me but I had some questions about her thought process which I posted. ("I don't understand the progression from 1572" being scummy is REFUTED, because there was no progression there, just some questions and comments. I hadn't made up my mind about the slot.)

Then on page 64 and before that I was trying to build a wagon on Hu Tao, it wasn't gaining traction and honestly I didn't have that strong of a read on Hu Tao, so I said "why not wagon Kyo with Marci and see what happens" (which is actually how I work as town, see this post from a recently completed town game).

Then I voted her, nothing interesting happened, then Kyo showed up and started wallposting. And by wallposting I mean SERIOUSLY wallposting, and they weren't scum posts at all.

At that point I wasn't confident she was town but I unvoted because regardless of her alignment those wallposts made her more readable, I didn't actually have confidence I'll be able to play over the weekend so I wanted to continue thinking about this later (because there were two players who threatened to hammer, Hu and Enchant), and she definitely felt more towny in them, and possibly on the edge of her scum range (no offense meant). There was nothing opportunistic about the unvote, in fact I'm pretty sure they were still votes on her when I unvoted (and if somebody else unvoted, I personally didn't see that). Which refutes the "Reads seem to be being made in a way where there are ways to back out of them, or re-commit to them depending on whether a wagon is forming or not, which seems potentially opportunistic. 1703 specifically seems weird" line of accusing me.

And now she provided more posts which feel very earnerst, her thought process feels clear and not artificial in stark contrast to the last two scum games I remember with her, and I find her progression to be natural. So yeah I'm pretty heavily townreading her right now, the end.
Acknowledging, will grab other quotes later, but it was mainly your positioning regarding me where it felt like you threw out a TR but positioned yourself in a way where you could jump on the wagon if it picked up again. It vibes as if you were making a read on me that was "expected" in the moment.
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Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:57 pm

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I don't like Thomith by the way.
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Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:58 pm

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In post 1780, Enchant wrote: I don't like Thomith by the way.
Why not?
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Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:03 pm

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In post 1781, Thomith wrote:
In post 1780, Enchant wrote: I don't like Thomith by the way.
Why not?
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Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:20 pm

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I like Thomith by the way.
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Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:05 pm

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funny how the solution you come up with is me :pensive: i feel like the star of the show
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Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:11 pm

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You just had to follow this damn wagon
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Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:12 pm

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What wagon
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Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:35 am

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Okay here's my take on Hu Tao / OopsieDaisy slot (aka HupsieDaisy):

Every single one of you that is clearing her is clearing her for really bad reasons. Hu Tao is famous for "bussing Day 1 in a way that isn't really necessary and doesn't give her towncred", and she has managed to pocket many a town player this way. Whether or not she was instrumental in getting Halfasleep elimmed is irrelevant because Hu Tao, as a scum player, would feel fine hardbussing her teammate Day 1 even if it's not, strictly speaking, necessary.

Even though by a surface glance at the VC, it does seem like the timing where Hu Tao chose to push the halfasleep wagon over was a timing where halfasleep was still savable, since HA and Ducky were tied at 4 votes each:
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In post 1100, Gypyx wrote:
votecount 1.9
the worst (4) :
Hu Tao / Marcistar / Save The Dragons / halfasleep
Halfasleep (4) :
Jake from State Farm / Thomith / KayJayQueue / C-worl
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the worst
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Not Voting (3) :
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There is the right side of history and the worst side of history. The rest of you need to decide which you want to be a part of.
HOWEVER, there are actually two votes between the VC that clearly indicate that halfasleep was doomed and that the worst wasn't going to happen:
In post 1103, marcistar wrote: VOTE: halfasleep

I really dont like their recent vote
In post 1108, Save The Dragons wrote: UNVOTE:
With these votes, the VC would have looked like this:
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votecount 1.9.5
Halfasleep (5) :
Jake from State Farm / Thomith / KayJayQueue / C-worl / Marcistar
the worst (2) :
Hu Tao / halfasleep
Save The Dragons (1) :
the worst
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Enchant / ssbm_Kyouko / GreedyBanger / Save The Dragons

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Suddenly it makes a lot more sense that Hu Tao decided to hard push for a halfasleep lim, doesn't it? It would have looked real bad if she stayed on the counterwagon when halfasleep flipped scum. So therefore she dropped these posts, deciding to bus her partner and capitalize on the cred:
In post 1111, Hu Tao wrote: There is the right side of history and the worst side of history. The rest of you need to decide which you want to be a part of.
In post 1114, Hu Tao wrote: If someone votes halfasleep I'll quick hammer.
"Okay," you say, "so you have proven why pushing/hammering halfasleep isn't clearing for Hu Tao. But why is she mafia?"

Good question! Luckily, I have a good answer.

Please turn your eyes to exhibit A, halfasleep's ISO.

Her first post is an RVS vote on OopsieDaisy (aka Hu Tao), which I unironically thought was partnery. But that's not all! After a bunch of no-content posts and a pretty long break in posting from , she suddenly drops , a naked unvote of Hu Tao. INTERESTINGLY, the last VC before that unvote happens to be this:
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votecount 1.3
OopsieDaisy (3) :
halfasleep / Pink / Jake from State Farm
Pink (2) :
OopsieDaisy / ssbm_Kyouko
Halfasleep (2) :
Thomith
Thomith (1) :
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GreedyBanger (1) :
Gammagooey
Save The Dragons (1) :
Marcistar

Not Voting (4) :
KayJayQueue / C-Worl / BurgerParty / Save the Dragons
I do not know why halfasleep felt so compelled to naked unvote Hu Tao, but I can IMAGINE that maybe her partner was feeling too much pressure for her liking, and asked her to unvote in the scum PT.

Now let's have a look at exhibit B, HupsieTaosy's ISO. The students are encouraged to take an active role in this investigation. Please use the ctrl+f function of your browser, or the search function on mobile, and type in such words as "halfasleep" and "HA " (the space is needed to filter out words like "what" or "hammer"). How many times is halfasleep slot mentioned before Hu Tao makes her announcement that she will hammer? _____[insert correct answer here]? That's right! Students, what do YOU think this means?

If you answered "that seems like a partnered ISO", you get 1,000 points!

VOTE: Hu Tao

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Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:36 am

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In post 1319, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1316, C-Worl wrote:
In post 1313, Hu Tao wrote: So what are everyone's thoughts so far?
Nothing short of someone claiming Cop with a Guilty result will get me to vote for you.
Remind me to bus more often
I also just believe Hu Tao here lol
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Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:46 am

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There are also a bunch of posts in Oopsie's ISO that I scumread but my time is limited so I'll explain those tomorrow or whenever I actually have free time.
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Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:46 am

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i feel like enchant is actually one of the easier reads on this site. enchant literally has two modes:

Helpful, mech savvy, and engaged
vs.
Aloof, trolly, and non-present

these two moods correspond with alignment. The first one is (shockingly) enchant as town, and the second one is enchant as scum.

enchant and enchant's predecessor have had plenty of time to do something about this game. Both chose not to.

more enchant votes please
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Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:11 am

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In post 1781, Thomith wrote:
In post 1780, Enchant wrote: I don't like Thomith by the way.
Why not?
Can you respond to Dragon’s case on Hu since you townread Hu the most? It would be really helpful for those sheeping you (me)
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Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:31 am

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In post 1788, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1319, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1316, C-Worl wrote:
In post 1313, Hu Tao wrote: So what are everyone's thoughts so far?
Nothing short of someone claiming Cop with a Guilty result will get me to vote for you.
Remind me to bus more often
I also just believe Hu Tao here lol
Has Hu Tao just randomly told the truth as scum before like this?
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Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:42 am

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i kinda like now that i think about it

but my gut says scum aren't that nonchalant. i don't think i can join you on HT, DE
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Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:42 am

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In post 1792, Thomith wrote:
In post 1788, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1319, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1316, C-Worl wrote:
In post 1313, Hu Tao wrote: So what are everyone's thoughts so far?
Nothing short of someone claiming Cop with a Guilty result will get me to vote for you.
Remind me to bus more often
I also just believe Hu Tao here lol
Has Hu Tao just randomly told the truth as scum before like this?
does it really matter?
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Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:45 am

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In post 1794, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 1792, Thomith wrote:
In post 1788, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1319, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1316, C-Worl wrote:
In post 1313, Hu Tao wrote: So what are everyone's thoughts so far?
Nothing short of someone claiming Cop with a Guilty result will get me to vote for you.
Remind me to bus more often
I also just believe Hu Tao here lol
Has Hu Tao just randomly told the truth as scum before like this?
does it really matter?
I would like to know what believing Hu Tao claimed scum (disguised as a joke) is based on?
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Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:46 am

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If it's just vibes that's also fine, I just want to know.
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Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:48 am

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isn't the whole point of this game to figure out when people are lying and when people are telling the truth? do you expect everyone to be able to present evidence for every claim they make?

i guess i don't know why DE thinks that. i don't really think that honestly.

i feel like you're ignoring the meat of the case to pick on this point which seems kind of like an after thought. what did you think of the rest of DE's case?
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Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:50 am

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In post 1787, DragonEater70 wrote: (copying Kyouko from a past game and voting someone who I was already voting for the appearance of momentum)
I fucking love the appearance of momentum
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Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:51 am

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on a more serious note Hu Tao is my pocket Marci partner
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