Shell Game (Over)

[Dannflor]

sir cakez might be scum oblivion

I’m sorry but this is mafia

If he’s mafia and you are town it is literally his win condition to portray you in a bad light

or maybe he’s town with a bad impression of you and going back to not trying isn’t gonna remedy that

[Oblivion]

sir cakez might be scum oblivion

I’m sorry but this is mafia

If he’s mafia and you are town it is literally his win condition to portray you in a bad light

or maybe he’s town with a bad impression of you and going back to not trying isn’t gonna remedy that

It can understand that, it really can, but it's just someone being like "hey your lack of ability to engage with a game that blew up on you that also had nothing but cliques and players in neighbourhoods that it couldn't reach makes you a bad player" "oh you're trying now? Scum. Agendaful. Scum."

Like it thinks Cakez town right now is the issue so it just feels like it is being insulted by a townie, it sucks. Maybe he's scum? But it feels really silly for him to approach it like this if he is scum to piss it off and make it want to vote him.

[Dannflor]

I mean i get this game has been hard for you, it’s been hard for me at times as well

But I still have to look at your posting and determine whether it has an agenda or not

I do lean you town but I really want to win this game and I can’t just give anyone a pass

[Oblivion]

I mean i get this game has been hard for you, it’s been hard for me at times as well

But I still have to look at your posting and determine whether it has an agenda or not

I do lean you town but I really want to win this game and I can’t just give anyone a pass

It gets that. If you said it felt scummy for something it did, that's fine. It's just frustrated that when it tries, the player who made fun of it for not trying is not pushing at it for that it's.... frustrating.

[Dannflor]

I understand

If you need to take a breather and come back please do

If you’re town I’d much prefer that to giving up

[Spiffeh]

Night 5 I targeted Cakez because he was unlikely to be visited by any known scum role at the time (kill, roleblocker, bookie). I was fine if this one went to a Town player other than me to further substantiate my claim during mass claim.

does it make sense to think cakez was an unlikely bookie target on n5

This was the phase marci scum claimed and the popular associative possibilities at the time were Gypyx, PenguinPower, and Dunnstral. I did not think Cakez would be bookie'd that Night because I assumed these three would take precedence.

And the fact that Cakez refuses to treat any situation involving me with nuance is practically a scum claim imo.

[Spiffeh]

This game is probably sunk anyway because Oblivion is very likely Town and I am its most desired elimination toDay

I'll still be back tomorrow to break things down and try but my spirits are not high rn

[Save The Dragons]

Can it go back to not trying again?

Ignore cakez if you have to. Please help us out.

[Save The Dragons]

I feel like I can look up everyone else's thoughts but oblivions are harder to find. For that reason I am trying to get it to come up with at least 1 to 3 stances before I influence everything by telling everyone my thoughts

But I'd like that to happen soon and not get sidetracked

I am not unsympathetic, I would be a little miffed at cakez too if he pulled that shit with me, so I get it.

But we also don't really have time to do a lot of this stuff that we had time to do in previous days if that makes sense.

My goal is to present my thoughts and then start looking for evidence that it is correct or not correct so we have enough time to lim the right person

[SirCakez]

Oblivion I'm not trying to shade cast your efforts, I'm just trying to see whose posts feel townie to me or not.
People have been throwing shit at me since day one of this game and I've wanted to give up more than once but I'm not gonna roll over and give the game up without at least giving it a shot til the end. I believe that you are trying very hard right now and I'm just trying to discern alignments.

There are five of us and two are scum. We really gotta dig into the grit here and figure it out and if you're town you sticking around and helping us is the best thing you can do.

[SirCakez]

Night 5 I targeted Cakez because he was unlikely to be visited by any known scum role at the time (kill, roleblocker, bookie). I was fine if this one went to a Town player other than me to further substantiate my claim during mass claim.

does it make sense to think cakez was an unlikely bookie target on n5

And the fact that Cakez refuses to treat any situation involving me with nuance is practically a scum claim imo.

You don't think I should find it suspicious that we spent all day yesterday talking about how unlikely anything messed with the guilty and then it wasn't a guilty? The odds of all of those niche scenarios didn't change just because Bagel was town

[SirCakez]

I'm going to STFU about Oblivion so that it has room to solve and give it's thoughts

[Oblivion]

I feel like I can look up everyone else's thoughts but oblivions are harder to find. For that reason I am trying to get it to come up with at least 1 to 3 stances before I influence everything by telling everyone my thoughts

But I'd like that to happen soon and not get sidetracked

I am not unsympathetic, I would be a little miffed at cakez too if he pulled that shit with me, so I get it.

But we also don't really have time to do a lot of this stuff that we had time to do in previous days if that makes sense.

My goal is to present my thoughts and then start looking for evidence that it is correct or not correct so we have enough time to lim the right person

Okay. It is going to take the time today to go through where it was in its own head at each stage of the game it remembers being at.

Would you prefer to have it try to like, write paragraphs or bullet points? What would be an easier digest and/or help it show you that it is town better. Like... Fuck its comfort at this point, it has put this game off for too long and you are asking really nicely and being understanding here so...

Let it do this for you in the way that would help you best.

[Oblivion]

Night 5 I targeted Cakez because he was unlikely to be visited by any known scum role at the time (kill, roleblocker, bookie). I was fine if this one went to a Town player other than me to further substantiate my claim during mass claim.

does it make sense to think cakez was an unlikely bookie target on n5

And the fact that Cakez refuses to treat any situation involving me with nuance is practically a scum claim imo.

You don't think I should find it suspicious that we spent all day yesterday talking about how unlikely anything messed with the guilty and then it wasn't a guilty? The odds of all of those niche scenarios didn't change just because Bagel was town

See this is EXACTLY what it feels! It even asked EXPLICITLY yesterday if there was ANY CHANCE the guilty was wrong and then got told it was only a edge case scenario.

So its question is why Spiffeh's posts today don't reflect the mindset of sheer despair that should accompany that. Like it feels if you staked youtself on a guilty with a 2% chance of being rolefucked, and got rolefucked, someone would behave in a way that would mirror "how do I even progresss?" like... Emotionally THAT should be on your mind and it isn't from Spiffeh here?

[Save The Dragons]

Would you prefer to have it try to like, write paragraphs or bullet points?

I don't really mind as long as you present the information, but my preference would be something in between but like closer bullet points if that makes sense?

[Oblivion]

Would you prefer to have it try to like, write paragraphs or bullet points?

I don't really mind as long as you present the information, but my preference would be something in between but like closer bullet points if that makes sense?

It'll do its best then.

[Cephrir]

Deadline: (expired on 2024-06-26 16:55:00)

[Oblivion]

Posting to confirm it will have this done today, it isn't forgetting.

[SirCakez]

I'm at work right now so I can't write anything big up but I will be around essentially all day
Im off tomorrow and Tuesday for the last days

[SirCakez]

Would really love to hear from Spiffeh today!

[Save The Dragons]

well let me start my analysis by looking at who was on Dunnstral when he was hammered and who stayed off:

VC 6.F

Dunnstral 6 (Firebagel, Penguin,

STD

, Hermit, Luka, Dunnstral)
Penguin 1 (

Spiffeh

)
Hermit 1 (

Dannflor

)

Not voting -

Oblivion

,

SirCakez

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to cromch.

Double-checking the count.

oof

uh

[SirCakez]

The wagonomics are all pain this game

[Dannflor]

okay to be fair i was down to kill dunnstral i stayed off so the day didnt end early

[Dannflor]

that being said i think i went back and forth on dunnstral like 3 times that day

[Save The Dragons]

VC 1.F

Brian

12 (Spiffeh,

morph

,

marci

,

Dunnstral

,

Sunflower

,

Pooky

, SirCakez,

Penguin

,

CSF

,

Lukewarm

,

Firebagel

,

Hermit

)
SirCakez 3 (

STD

,

Brian

,

Shello

)

Bingle

1 (

Gypyx

)

Gypyx

1 (

Bingle

)

Sunflower

1 (

Klick

)

CSF

1 (

Firebringer

)

Not voting (Oblivion,

experience

, Dannflor)

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to unmake.

Deadline: (expired on 2024-05-09 04:07:00)

probably at least one more on Brian bussing

VC 2.F

experience

11 (Dannflor,

CSF

,

STD

,

wolfbae

,

Penguin

,

Sunflower

,

Lukewarm

,

Gypyx

,

Hermit

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

)
Sunflower 4 (

Dunnstral

,

Shello

, SirCakez, Spiffeh)

Gypyx

1 (

Firebagel

)

Not voting - Oblivion,

experience

,

morph

,

marci

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to win a Darwin Award.

Deadline: (expired on 2024-05-16 20:12:00)

Doing my final double-check of the votes before flipping while also multitasking, please hold...

unless dannflor is scum, experience wagon is all town. but it's important to keep in mind that scum might not know who the traitor is, or alternatively, may have already figured out who the traitor is.

either way we know spiffeh/sircakez/dunnstral ended day 1 voting brian and day 2 mislimming sunflower. the possibility of a dunn/sircakez/spiffeh team seems unlikely due to this.

also interesting oblivion is not voting here either

VC 3.F

Sunflower

10 (

CSF

, SirCakez,

Dunnstral

,

Lukewarm

,

Shello

,

Penguin

,

wolfbae

, Dannflor,

Hermit

,

Bingle

)
SirCakez 6 (

STD

,

Gypyx

,

Firebringer

, Oblivion,

Firebagel

,

Sunflower

)

Gypyx

1 (

marci

)

Not voting - Spiffeh

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to throw off Hell in a Cell to plummet sixteen feet through an announcer's table.

Deadline: (expired on 2024-05-22 22:11:00)

Checking the count...

i was really struggling with sunflower being the target. i didn't think it was him. i wonder if marci not joining either wagon is telling. i would like to go back at revisit this day.

VC 4.F

DE70

9 (

STD

, SirCakez,

wolfbae

, Dannflor,

Firebringer

,

Hermit

,

Penguin

,

CSF

,

Firebagel

)

Firebringer

3 (Spiffeh,

Gypyx

,

Dunnstral

)

Gypyx

1 (

marci

)

marci

1 (

DE70

)

Not voting - Oblivion,

Luka

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to sleep with the fishes.

Checking votes...

my rough skim over the vote counts this day reminds me that the target changed a lot and it was a little chaotic. i think i want to revist this day too.

oblivion is 1/4 for actually voting at end of day.

i do feel like DE would have been a tasty mislim for scum, with Dunnstral being unable to bus, so it would probably put a high likelihood on at least one of SirCakez and Dann being scum.

VC 5.F

marci

8 (

STD

,

Firebringer

,

Firebagel

, SirCakez,

Dunnstral

,

Penguin

, Dannflor,

Gypyx

)

Penguin

1 (

Luka

)

STD

1 (

marci

)

Not voting - Spiffeh, Oblivion,

Hermit

,

CSF

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to say goodbye.

NV count:
Oblivion(4/5)
Spiffeh(2/5)

also of note is that SirCakez and Dannflor are both on the previous 3 persons limmed together. but marci was outed at this point so i would have trouble taking much stock from this count.

quick intermission:

Cephrir got me with the rickroll. But since i use sepia, this is what i saw:


and i still clicked on it.

anyway now that i've restored your faith in my intelligence, let's solve a mafia game

I already showed the D6 lim of Dunnstral. may be a good idea to look at why dann is voting hermit and why spiffeh is voting penguin at this point

VC 7.F

Firebagel

5 (Cakez, Spiffeh, Dannflor,

Hermit

,

STD

)
Cakez 1 (

Firebagel

)

STD

1 (

Hermit

)

Not voting - Oblivion,

Luka

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to turn into a newt.

Deadline: (expired on 2024-06-20 22:35:00)

wow i didn't know Hermit was a double voter as well!

not sure what to be gleened from this last one