Newbie 2135 -- Weird Italian food | DAY 1

[Civil Scum]

Bad timing I’m afraid.

[Roxas]

I'm starting to doubt that you even have a reason for voting me. Why else would you withhold it and be so vague about it?

[Civil Scum]

I get the sense that Mafiabat is more voting me on gut or for tone.

Roxas going along with Jackson’s nonsense is far more incriminating than any reason I had for voting them before that.

Not the answer Jackson wanted I’m sure, but the truth nonetheless.

[Mafiabat]

WHY ARE WE ON E-1

UNVOTE: Civil Scum

[Mafiabat]

That being said, I'm not really sure how to read the self E-1. It reads as either VT giving up and trying to get themselves dropped as a lower value townie, or more likely scum trying to guilt trip or dramatize.

[Civil Scum]

It was a last ditch effort to breakthrough to Jackson in the event he was town.

At first, I took his earnestness with which he prosecuted his case to be townish, but his case was so overstated that I am wondering if he is scum at this point.

[Mafiabat]

It was a last ditch effort to breakthrough to Jackson in the event he was town.

At first, I took his earnestness with which he prosecuted his case to be townish, but his case was so overstated that I am wondering if he is scum at this point.

There are 2 ways this can go bad.
One, he's scum and hammers. That would kind of guarantee he dies on D2, but either way you're dead.

Two, he's town, but is so convinced you're scum and hammers. Unless there's a cop on him N1 he'd dead on D2 as well, and this is less likely but also way worse.

[Civil Scum]

That’s exactly why it was preposterous for him to continue voting for me.

[Civil Scum]

He was voting for me, but your point stands if you substitute someone else as hammering me. All of the outcomes are bad for town if he’s town.

[JacksonVirgo]

WHY ARE WE ON E-1

UNVOTE: Civil Scum

Cuz it's cool

[JacksonVirgo]

I get the sense that Mafiabat is more voting me on gut or for tone.

Roxas going along with Jackson’s nonsense is far more incriminating than any reason I had for voting them before that.

Not the answer Jackson wanted I’m sure, but the truth nonetheless.

Alright, and the reasoning prior to what I have brought to the table? The initial reason to vote him

[JacksonVirgo]

That being said, I'm not really sure how to read the self E-1. It reads as either VT giving up and trying to get themselves dropped as a lower value townie, or more likely scum trying to guilt trip or dramatize.

As I had said, it's either town bravado or a wolf attempting to either spook us into unvoting or "see, I have no self-preservation instincts I must be town"

[Roxas]

If lack of self-preservation is a “sign of innocence”, then consider me conftown because I have nary a thought between my ears

I’m unsure what to make of the recent posts. Still curious as to Civil’s initial read on me, which was made before all this

[JacksonVirgo]

It was a last ditch effort to breakthrough to Jackson in the event he was town.

At first, I took his earnestness with which he prosecuted his case to be townish, but his case was so overstated that I am wondering if he is scum at this point.

You considered confronting the strength of my read above discussing things with me like civil players. Pun intended. You keep jamming down everyones throat that what I am doing is *insert synonym of the same shit twenty times here* yet you've been the one outright avoidant this entire time. You've given answers to things only after a whole lot of poking and prodding, yet when you answer things you're still not giving the entire reasoning behind your actions. I have to consistently keep reminding you to respond to particular things yet you just don't, or when you do you just give whatever surface level read you had at the time ignoring the context behind why I'm asking to begin with. Most notably it's the Roxas read which originated before I stepped foot in the thread yet your clarification on their read was just based from interactions with what I have brought into the thread.

[JacksonVirgo]

I seeded that I had reason to suspect Roxas myself, which I do, to give you more reason to explore the SR on Roxas yet you didn't bite. You yet again kept your perspective in this immediate moment, again without delving into the reasons you had prior which prompted you to vote him to begin with. Do you have reasons for that at all?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd appreciate it if you were to stop trying to swing at my shins and attempt to drag me down because

you

personally consider what I'm doing a load of horse-crap because clearly other people are also seeing what I'm seeing, and your continuous avoidant nature is doing nothing but making me want to double-down. You should clearly be able to see that I am not tunnelled on you as I've been exploring reads outside of yourself, and also considering worlds where you're Town. Every statement that I have made has had supposed reasoning for why you'd do these things as Town.

[JacksonVirgo]

At first, I took his earnestness with which he prosecuted his case to be townish, but his case was so overstated that I am wondering if he is scum at this point.

You keep flip-flopping your read on me without any difference in how I'm acting. You scum-read me initially, then let it off because of whatever internal reasoning you had, now you're beginning to shift it back to a scum-read when I'm not letting the pressure off. Were you hoping that by letting go of your scum-lean on me that I would also?

[JacksonVirgo]

It was a last ditch effort to breakthrough to Jackson in the event he was town.

At first, I took his earnestness with which he prosecuted his case to be townish, but his case was so overstated that I am wondering if he is scum at this point.

There are 2 ways this can go bad.
One, he's scum and hammers. That would kind of guarantee he dies on D2, but either way you're dead.

Two, he's town, but is so convinced you're scum and hammers. Unless there's a cop on him N1 he'd dead on D2 as well, and this is less likely but also way worse.

I wouldn't be hammering regardless as I was on wagon

[JacksonVirgo]

I refuse to play games. I was not unvoting before he was, he put himself in that position himself therefore it is his responsibility to unvote before someone hammers. Shifting that blame onto me is disingenuous

[Mafiabat]

It was a last ditch effort to breakthrough to Jackson in the event he was town.

At first, I took his earnestness with which he prosecuted his case to be townish, but his case was so overstated that I am wondering if he is scum at this point.

There are 2 ways this can go bad.
One, he's scum and hammers. That would kind of guarantee he dies on D2, but either way you're dead.

Two, he's town, but is so convinced you're scum and hammers. Unless there's a cop on him N1 he'd dead on D2 as well, and this is less likely but also way worse.

I wouldn't be hammering regardless as I was on wagon

You didn't seem very hot on hopping off the wagon when he was on E-1, considering there's a chance he is Town and a quickhammer would be disastrous...

[Civil Scum]

I was simply being honest about what I thought about your case and sharing that opinion with the more reasonable people in the town. Take it or leave it.

We were barely out of RVS. I had no reason for voting him, nor did I need one.

[Roxas]

That blatantly contradicts the times you’ve said you had a reason for voting me, which you were purposefully not telling.

[Civil Scum]

I'd appreciate it if you were to stop trying to swing at my shins and attempt to drag me down because

you

personally consider what I'm doing a load of horse-crap because clearly other people are also seeing what I'm seeing, and your continuous avoidant nature is doing nothing but making me want to double-down. You should clearly be able to see that I am not tunnelled on you as I've been exploring reads outside of yourself, and also considering worlds where you're Town. Every statement that I have made has had supposed reasoning for why you'd do these things as Town.

I’ve literally explained every post of mine vis-a-vis the accusation that I was not providing personal insights. I fail to see how you can still be accusing me of avoiding anything.

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