Newbie 2134: Pictures of Animals I Would Cuddle [endgame]

[Tangion]

Sorry, wrong pronouns.

Of course I'm trying to get them limmed first. They're voting me, I'm voting them, and we are both still alive. At least one of us HAS to be scum.

why do one of you have to be scum? there are 3 possible players who are scum from every perspective except scum themselves and the mason, so who have you eliminated from that equation to make it where you are sure one of you are?

[Tangion]

the problem that i have with all of the solve info that i am understanding, is that both of the SEs are trying to get JC limed first, and JC very much seems like an easy lim at anytime, so it makes me start to see a HC/ketchup team as very possible and also very hesitant to lim JC today.

I think if you’ve fooled me this well at this point you deserve the win. I’m happy to lim either one first

JC has less content to analyse so it will be harder to case them in ElO so if we get out HC today it will come down to you finding me as town.

we are in ELO now? what is this are you trying to get someone to mistakenly mislim thinking we still have the luxury of missing today?

[ketchup777]

the problem that i have with all of the solve info that i am understanding, is that both of the SEs are trying to get JC limed first, and JC very much seems like an easy lim at anytime, so it makes me start to see a HC/ketchup team as very possible and also very hesitant to lim JC today.

I think if you’ve fooled me this well at this point you deserve the win. I’m happy to lim either one first

JC has less content to analyse so it will be harder to case them in ElO so if we get out HC today it will come down to you finding me as town.

we are in ELO now? what is this are you trying to get someone to mistakenly mislim thinking we still have the luxury of missing today?

nah, in my mind ElO usually translates to 3P ElO sorry. we are in ElO now as well yes

[ketchup777]

Sorry, wrong pronouns.

Of course I'm trying to get them limmed first. They're voting me, I'm voting them, and we are both still alive. At least one of us HAS to be scum.

why do one of you have to be scum? there are 3 possible players who are scum from every perspective except scum themselves and the mason, so who have you eliminated from that equation to make it where you are sure one of you are?

if we were the team we could quickhammer now

[ketchup777]

we being ketchup+tangion

[Tangion]

Sorry, wrong pronouns.

Of course I'm trying to get them limmed first. They're voting me, I'm voting them, and we are both still alive. At least one of us HAS to be scum.

why do one of you have to be scum? there are 3 possible players who are scum from every perspective except scum themselves and the mason, so who have you eliminated from that equation to make it where you are sure one of you are?

if we were the team we could quickhammer now

how it takes 3 vote 2 are voting for each other if one of them is scum or both they cant coordinate a hammer without at least one more vote?

[ketchup777]

Sorry, wrong pronouns.

Of course I'm trying to get them limmed first. They're voting me, I'm voting them, and we are both still alive. At least one of us HAS to be scum.

why do one of you have to be scum? there are 3 possible players who are scum from every perspective except scum themselves and the mason, so who have you eliminated from that equation to make it where you are sure one of you are?

if we were the team we could quickhammer now

how it takes 3 vote 2 are voting for each other if one of them is scum or both they cant coordinate a hammer without at least one more vote?

If we, we being me and you, ketchup and tangion, were the scumteam we could quickhammer either HC or JC and win.

we are not going to be doing that, so on that basis at least one of HC/JC must be scum (because it’s not sloth) and hence we do not need to worry about a quickhammer happening right now.

[ketchup777]

does that make sense?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Sorry, wrong pronouns.

Of course I'm trying to get them limmed first. They're voting me, I'm voting them, and we are both still alive. At least one of us HAS to be scum.

why do one of you have to be scum? there are 3 possible players who are scum from every perspective except scum themselves and the mason, so who have you eliminated from that equation to make it where you are sure one of you are?

if we were the team we could quickhammer now

how it takes 3 vote 2 are voting for each other if one of them is scum or both they cant coordinate a hammer without at least one more vote?

Ketchup is saying that if both JC and I were town, then each of us is a town vote on the other. That would allow scum-Ketchup and scum-Tangion to both vote for either myself of JC, doesn't matter who. That's three votes and game over right there.

That is clearly not the case. Therefore, at least one of us (and possibly both of us as sloth points out but it's not both of us) must be scum.

I want you to look at our ISOs. Do you honestly believe the posts that I've made this game have not been the posts of a town player trying to find scum? Do you honestly believe that JC's posts are?

[Tangion]

does that make sense?

but it still doesnt explain how a quick hammer could happen if only one of jc or hc is scum?

[Haschel Cedricson]

does that make sense?

but it still doesnt explain how a quick hammer could happen if only one of jc or hc is scum?

It couldn't. Quickhammers require both scum to be off the wagon that a townie started on another townie.

[Junction Crew]

does that make sense?

but it still doesnt explain how a quick hammer could happen if only one of jc or hc is scum?

L: The fact that a quick hammer

hasn't

happened is proof that at least one of HC or ourselves is scum. Scum have two votes between them. To quick hammer someone, they would need one townie to vote for another townie. A town player voting on Scum would be suicidal for scum to quickhammer. By contrast, scum voting for a town player doesn't get the scum the extra vote they need to quickhammer someone. Simple logic.

[Tangion]

Sorry, wrong pronouns.

Of course I'm trying to get them limmed first. They're voting me, I'm voting them, and we are both still alive. At least one of us HAS to be scum.

why do one of you have to be scum? there are 3 possible players who are scum from every perspective except scum themselves and the mason, so who have you eliminated from that equation to make it where you are sure one of you are?

if we were the team we could quickhammer now

how it takes 3 vote 2 are voting for each other if one of them is scum or both they cant coordinate a hammer without at least one more vote?

Ketchup is saying that if both JC and I were town, then each of us is a town vote on the other. That would allow scum-Ketchup and scum-Tangion to both vote for either myself of JC, doesn't matter who. That's three votes and game over right there.

That is clearly not the case. Therefore, at least one of us (and possibly both of us as sloth points out but it's not both of us) must be scum.

I want you to look at our ISOs. Do you honestly believe the posts that I've made this game have not been the posts of a town player trying to find scum? Do you honestly believe that JC's posts are?

i dont believe that is the right question to ask. obviously JC has contributed less than you, but is that a scum indicator i dont think it is.

I see your behavior as much more indicative of scum behavior than JC's, you seem more experienced by far and have presented a lot of information. but you have not found scum no one has so no one has actualy worked towards the town win condition so this ti me is NAI.

to me the real question is do i think you have been intentionally misleading the town to vote for anyone but you and your scum partner or not, and i feel like you not only have the capability to do so but that i have seen a lot of dancing around some things that i feel someone of your skill would be more concise on and you have been very adamant on things that at your skill level should have been dismissed.

so tldr i believe personally that you are very much one of the scum but im still unsure who your partner could be.

[Tangion]

does that make sense?

but it still doesnt explain how a quick hammer could happen if only one of jc or hc is scum?

L: The fact that a quick hammer

hasn't

happened is proof that at least one of HC or ourselves is scum. Scum have two votes between them. To quick hammer someone, they would need one townie to vote for another townie. A town player voting on Scum would be suicidal for scum to quickhammer. By contrast, scum voting for a town player doesn't get the scum the extra vote they need to quickhammer someone. Simple logic.

yes it is so simple we are in a world where there is no mafia and the town has been mysteriously killing themselves,
you know since the only two voting one of which has to be scum but the ones not voting cant be scum but the ones voting also cant be scum so we just have no scum i see the logic now!

[Tangion]

@sloth are you following any of this better than i am?

[Tangion]

right now i dont see me voting anyone but HC, but i will not be the next one to vote!

[Haschel Cedricson]

...i have seen a lot of dancing around some things that i feel someone of your skill would be more concise on and you have been very adamant on things that at your skill level should have been dismissed.

Like what? Be specific.

[sloththeholy]

Okay so, I am following basically everything’s that happened since the last time I checked in was them explaining what I said that one of them has to be scum and potentially both, what a crazy gambit that would be, and props to em if it’s what happened.

And HC talking to Tang trying to prove his case

I have my thoughts but I want to be clear Ketchup you’re saying you think it’s HC? Per post 1799 correct? Or am I misunderstanding you?

[Tangion]

...i have seen a lot of dancing around some things that i feel someone of your skill would be more concise on and you have been very adamant on things that at your skill level should have been dismissed.

Like what? Be specific.

i have stuff i gotta go do irl but i will try my best to remember to answer this tonight hopefully when im not busy.

[ketchup777]

Okay so, I am following basically everything’s that happened since the last time I checked in was them explaining what I said that one of them has to be scum and potentially both, what a crazy gambit that would be, and props to em if it’s what happened.

And HC talking to Tang trying to prove his case

I have my thoughts but I want to be clear Ketchup you’re saying you think it’s HC? Per post 1799 correct? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Yes, I think the team is precisely JC+HC and will be playing the game to that effect, barring an egregious scumslip from Tangion or something

[sloththeholy]

Okay so you think it’s JC + HC
HC you believe it’s JC + who? Ketchup yeah?
Tang what do you believe my guy? Knowing it is ATLEAST one of JC/HC

[Haschel Cedricson]

Okay so you think it’s JC + HC
HC you believe it’s JC + who? Ketchup yeah?
Tang what do you believe my guy? Knowing it is ATLEAST one of JC/HC

JC + Ketchup. As I've mentioned before JC+Tangion is technically *possible* but I don't think it's likely.

[sloththeholy]

I don’t believe that is the case either I think it’s highly unlikely that it is JC + Tang, and if it is, damn they got us huh

[Tangion]

i think its HC, but im not sure of their partner it could be jc or ketchup at this point imo.

but like i said im gonna try to do some actual homework tonight when i have time and i may have a more concise opinion on possible partners.

[sloththeholy]

@ketchup who would you rather vote for first?