Mini Normal 2347 -「Artwork by Hirohiko Araki」(Day 5)

[Firestarter]

So I guess correctly guessing the night kills was actually helpful. Maybe I didn’t ruin everything. Maybe. I still feel bad about NM.

So I guess correctly guessing the night kills was actually helpful. Maybe I didn’t ruin everything. Maybe. I still feel bad about NM.

Yeah correctly guessing greedy was impressive

Hmmm..

[Enchant]

Idk wiki clearly says that "vanilla visiting will be shown as vanilla like if in case of nightkill"


Basically, you don't even learn directly that mafia goon did it. "Vanilla visited your target" is pretty obvious though.

Effectively it only means that mafia goon potential VT with invention can be caught like that.

[KayJayQueue]

Idk wiki clearly says that "vanilla visiting will be shown as vanilla like if in case of nightkill"


Basically, you don't even learn directly that mafia goon did it. "Vanilla visited your target" is pretty obvious though.

Effectively it only means that mafia goon potential VT with invention can be caught like that.

Well do you understand now why I was so adamant about pushing NM?

I thought it was a mafia role

[Enchant]

We see

[Hu Tao]

So I guess correctly guessing the night kills was actually helpful. Maybe I didn’t ruin everything. Maybe. I still feel bad about NM.

So I guess correctly guessing the night kills was actually helpful. Maybe I didn’t ruin everything. Maybe. I still feel bad about NM.

Yeah correctly guessing greedy was impressive

Hmmm..

??

BaB was claimed PR, they were the obvious kill. But greedy was not

[Hu Tao]

Idk wiki clearly says that "vanilla visiting will be shown as vanilla like if in case of nightkill"


Basically, you don't even learn directly that mafia goon did it. "Vanilla visited your target" is pretty obvious though.

Effectively it only means that mafia goon potential VT with invention can be caught like that.

Why would a VT be visiting someone

[KayJayQueue]

So I guess correctly guessing the night kills was actually helpful. Maybe I didn’t ruin everything. Maybe. I still feel bad about NM.

So I guess correctly guessing the night kills was actually helpful. Maybe I didn’t ruin everything. Maybe. I still feel bad about NM.

Yeah correctly guessing greedy was impressive

Hmmm..

??

BaB was claimed PR, they were the obvious kill. But greedy was not

Another reason why it was so hard to believe NM

*sigh*

[lucca261]

Idk wiki clearly says that "vanilla visiting will be shown as vanilla like if in case of nightkill"


Basically, you don't even learn directly that mafia goon did it. "Vanilla visited your target" is pretty obvious though.

Effectively it only means that mafia goon potential VT with invention can be caught like that.

Well do you understand now why I was so adamant about pushing NM?

I thought it was a mafia role

You thought the PT Cop was a mafia role? Why would mafia benefit from having a PT Cop? Outing neighbours?

[KayJayQueue]

Idk wiki clearly says that "vanilla visiting will be shown as vanilla like if in case of nightkill"


Basically, you don't even learn directly that mafia goon did it. "Vanilla visited your target" is pretty obvious though.

Effectively it only means that mafia goon potential VT with invention can be caught like that.

Well do you understand now why I was so adamant about pushing NM?

I thought it was a mafia role

You thought the PT Cop was a mafia role? Why would mafia benefit from having a PT Cop? Outing neighbours?

That or if there were masons. I didn’t fully know the setup. Still don’t. Still can’t prove fruit vendor is real/town since she didn’t choose a different person. I’m not good at mech.

[Immortal Technique]

Tbf, I thought NM was just flat out lying about their role

Also, why is Hu being given a free pass here?

[KayJayQueue]

Tbf, I thought NM was just flat out lying about their role

Also, why is Hu being given a free pass here?

I wanted one more check before I outted and I got lucky with my read on the game that I correctly got the NK again so I didn’t mind claiming today because the mislim was mostly my fault.

So I wouldn’t say I necessarily fully believed you but my info pointed at NM. So you’re welcome for your stay of execution but I can’t save you again.

[Hu Tao]

Tbf, I thought NM was just flat out lying about their role

Also, why is Hu being given a free pass here?

Ironic, talking about a free pass. You've been given 2.

[Immortal Technique]

Tbf, I thought NM was just flat out lying about their role

Also, why is Hu being given a free pass here?

I wanted one more check before I outted and I got lucky with my read on the game that I correctly got the NK again so I didn’t mind claiming today because the mislim was mostly my fault.

So I wouldn’t say I necessarily fully believed you but my info pointed at NM. So you’re welcome for your stay of execution but I can’t save you again.

Well I was the one who started it, so we can share the blame lol

[Immortal Technique]

Tbf, I thought NM was just flat out lying about their role

Also, why is Hu being given a free pass here?

Ironic, talking about a free pass. You've been given 2.

So you hammered NM because you knew I would still be the top mislim target today? Now it makes sense why you flipped to them after yelling at the top of your lungs the whole day to lim me heh

[Hu Tao]

Yes because I wanted to stop the distraction. Now people can listen to me

[KayJayQueue]

Yes because I wanted to stop the distraction. Now people can listen to me

I had a good reason :/

[Hu Tao]

Yes because I wanted to stop the distraction. Now people can listen to me

I had a good reason :/

Me to Kay

Vs

Me to everyone else

[geraintm]

VOTE: Gera

Why this

Why not?

I don't really see Kyouko/Enchant as partnered, so FMPOV there's probably two scum on the wagon, maybe even three. If you are town, HT, and trust Kay hasn't pulled a slick gambit on us, probably there's two scum on [Gera, Firestarter, ITF, IT]. Gera has weird interactions subtly defending ITF (@591, @670, @937), has skated my questions regarding IT's role (@1668 and @1574) and spent half of D1 on a 1v1 vs. Firestarter that got us nowhere.

Also created the counterwagon on N_M.

D2 vote

N_M (6): Gera, Firestarter, KayJay, ITF, IT, Hu Tao
IT (3):

Not_Mafia

, Enchant,

Greedy

Not voting (2):

Lucca

, Kyouko

sorry for not posting more today. this is the main post i think aimed at me so will try and reply.

I think it is unfair you have picked on me for launching the not mafia wagon. they were getting many pointed questions from people before i voted for them, and their general awkwardness around their role and their night action justified it. and i have never had the influence to sway a wagon like that, do not give me credit for being able to do so.

you have me defending ITF

Balloons
KayJayQueue
Not_Mafia
geraintm
Klick
Greedy
Firestarter
Relm

Hu Tao
Immortal
Kyouko
lucca

is this in order, you have the red ones as scum?

this is one of the posts you picked out. how that is me defending them i don't know. the others, just feel like natural thoughts to me, you are reaching.

yes, i did D1 get into a discussion with firestarter that didnt go anywehre, but you give me no credit for realsing that and pulling away. but even then, why is it worth a vote?

and i did answer your question about IT being scum. i went into it in 1577. so again, what are you on about?

[lucca261]

VOTE: Gera

Why this

Why not?

I don't really see Kyouko/Enchant as partnered, so FMPOV there's probably two scum on the wagon, maybe even three. If you are town, HT, and trust Kay hasn't pulled a slick gambit on us, probably there's two scum on [Gera, Firestarter, ITF, IT]. Gera has weird interactions subtly defending ITF (@591, @670, @937), has skated my questions regarding IT's role (@1668 and @1574) and spent half of D1 on a 1v1 vs. Firestarter that got us nowhere.

Also created the counterwagon on N_M.

D2 vote

N_M (6): Gera, Firestarter, KayJay, ITF, IT, Hu Tao
IT (3):

Not_Mafia

, Enchant,

Greedy

Not voting (2):

Lucca

, Kyouko

sorry for not posting more today. this is the main post i think aimed at me so will try and reply.

I think it is unfair you have picked on me for launching the not mafia wagon. they were getting many pointed questions from people before i voted for them, and their general awkwardness around their role and their night action justified it. and i have never had the influence to sway a wagon like that, do not give me credit for being able to do so.

you have me defending ITF

Balloons
KayJayQueue
Not_Mafia
geraintm
Klick
Greedy
Firestarter
Relm

Hu Tao
Immortal
Kyouko
lucca

is this in order, you have the red ones as scum?

this is one of the posts you picked out. how that is me defending them i don't know. the others, just feel like natural thoughts to me, you are reaching.

yes, i did D1 get into a discussion with firestarter that didnt go anywehre, but you give me no credit for realsing that and pulling away. but even then, why is it worth a vote?

and i did answer your question about IT being scum. i went into it in 1577. so again, what are you on about?

ehhhhhhhh

First of all, about the ITF readslist on @937: you definitely knew that the players at the bottom were the scummy ones. He was voting me and his argument about the 'hello²' was pretty well publicized. This reads to me like you were throwing him a bone: "Hey, explain your scumreads in more detail".

The fact you focused more on answering @937 and waved away the other two examples I put forth is concerning, also.

Your statement about him in your readslist is:

ITF - they are just skimming along. i dont understand what the red text is for - are we meant to know?

But the feeling when we read your posts concerning him is that he's a townread of yours. And it's reciprocal: @431, @891. I don't think those are TvT interactions, I'm sorry. Notice how on @891 ITF thinks you are towny enough that he suspects everyone that was voting you. But 20 minutes after this, on @897, you're not even in his top three townreads.

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About the N_M wagon: yeah, Kay was the biggest proponent of the wagon, but you cast the first vote. My argument isn't that you were the major party responsible for the wagon going through, but that it's a pro-IT vote. There was one wagon: IT. When you vote another player, you're at least not giving support to the leading wagon on the thread. So if the majority thinks IT's scum, you're a very likely partner.

I had missed your IT answer, will search for it.

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Regardless of the alignment, I think you're playing very well. If you're town, at least you made everyone in the thread but me think you're towniest town who has ever towned. If you're scum, the same.

I'm not one for lining up lims, and I would like to vote ITF rather than you, given that ITF is obviously lurking. But your interactions with him are concerning to me, I'm sorry, and if he's scum, you're his likeliest partner.

[Hu Tao]

I like lucca more than yesterday. I'm unsure who is 3rd scum now. I think IT and ITF both flip scum though

[KayJayQueue]

I don’t think I’ll be able to help you after this day phase now that I’ve claimed lol but good luck

VOTE: IT

[Immortal Technique]

Remember that, barring the NK being blocked, it will be limlo tomorrow, the only person I would say definitely do not lim would be Enchant.

Enchant
Fire
Lucca
Gera
Kay
ITF
Kyo
Hu

This would be my order from bottom to top to win the game

[KayJayQueue]

You think I might be making all this up Doug? lol

[Immortal Technique]

You think I might be making all this up Doug? lol

I think it is possible, but I don't think you should be in the PoE(I don't see why you would jump off of me onto NM if you knew we were both town)

[ITF]

I was kind of setting up to fakeclaim watcher today who saw nobody visit BaB so honestly NM is a funstealer if he is also fakeclaiming

Huh? Why would you do that? What's the point of the

fake claim

? If you saw no one, that would imply a ninja, so you would be

confusing

the town.