Open 925 - To Tell The Truth | Night Two

[GreedyBanger]

Kay will always read good and genuine tonally. I'll need to reread her scum game where she toasted me again and compare her to this. Intuitively I feel like I am picking up what IT is putting down here.

Oh really and what is that?

I can't really express very well just now, just that when I saw the vote go down I was like, "yeah". I'll try to articulate better at some point tonight

You can understand how this doesn’t feel very…real, right? But without NKs I can see you wanting to get me out ASAP if you were scum and jumping on with the first person to sus me. You can’t even articulate why so forgive me for thinking you might be trying to make up a good reason lol

After last game and knowing why you killed me, I’m always going to assume if you’re scum you’re going to try to get rid of me. It does save me from elo which is nice at least.

Reasonable position to have, I expect some paranoia from you for a while.

[serrapaladin]

Kay will always read good and genuine tonally. I'll need to reread her scum game where she toasted me again and compare her to this. Intuitively I feel like I am picking up what IT is putting down here.

Wouldn't mind a link to that if you're digging it out.

[KayJayQueue]

Kay will always read good and genuine tonally. I'll need to reread her scum game where she toasted me again and compare her to this. Intuitively I feel like I am picking up what IT is putting down here.

Wouldn't mind a link to that if you're digging it out.

viewtopic.php?t=92735

Enjoy lol

[serrapaladin]

I did not read it thoroughly but it doesn't help that Tangion has reads as of post 300 in that game, and multiple of them.

Yeah that's fair, it was more that the general attitude of refusing to provide reads when pressed to reminded me of various points throughout that game. But as said I'm open to the idea that this might be overcompensating compared to that SK game viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=93072&user_select%5B%5D=12612 which in his words he "messed up by being too active".

your case on pzy well, I just realized that slot is a hydra and don't have a lot of experience with hydras so dont know how to read them super well now that im aware they are a hydra I'm gonna try to pay more attention to which head is talking and get better reads on each head then combine them to get a read on the slot idk, Ezy Pzy is one of the players i haven't played with before I probably wont know how to read them until d2.

@Tang by the time I posted those posts about Ezy Pzy, it was only the Ezy head that had posted, so they shouldn't really be more difficult to read than any slot without meta. (I realised I should probably refer to the hydra by its full name and then to the individual heads correctly, I was just kinda using Ezy and Pzy interchangable which is probably not very helpful.) This doesn't really feel like a good reason not to engage with what I posted about them at all.

[Tangion]

I did not read it thoroughly but it doesn't help that Tangion has reads as of post 300 in that game, and multiple of them.

Yeah that's fair, it was more that the general attitude of refusing to provide reads when pressed to reminded me of various points throughout that game. But as said I'm open to the idea that this might be overcompensating compared to that SK game viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=93072&user_select%5B%5D=12612 which in his words he "messed up by being too active".

your case on pzy well, I just realized that slot is a hydra and don't have a lot of experience with hydras so dont know how to read them super well now that im aware they are a hydra I'm gonna try to pay more attention to which head is talking and get better reads on each head then combine them to get a read on the slot idk, Ezy Pzy is one of the players i haven't played with before I probably wont know how to read them until d2.

@Tang by the time I posted those posts about Ezy Pzy, it was only the Ezy head that had posted, so they shouldn't really be more difficult to read than any slot without meta. (I realised I should probably refer to the hydra by its full name and then to the individual heads correctly, I was just kinda using Ezy and Pzy interchangable which is probably not very helpful.) This doesn't really feel like a good reason not to engage with what I posted about them at all.

If I'm being completely honest, I had no feelings on it and did know how to approach it, especially at the point when i did the whole hydra thing came up which idk made me step back for a min to reevaluate the slot, but now that you have brought it back up i went back and reread Ezy Pzy iso and that disagreement in general to me reads as someone who is new to this site and community not understanding the general dynamic of how a lot of players, play especially in regard to naked voting.

[Thomith]

Votecount 1.6

Votecount 1.6

Ezy Pzy (2):

imaginality, serrapaladin

serrapaladin (2):

Ezy Pzy, KayJayQueue

Tangion (2):

Hiraki, Seldom Sought Harmony

KayJayQueue (2):

Immortal Technique, GreedyBanger

Not Voting (1):

Tangion

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution.

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[KayJayQueue]

UNVOTE:

Thanks for the VC, I think that read is a bit stale.

[serrapaladin]

Kay will always read good and genuine tonally. I'll need to reread her scum game where she toasted me again and compare her to this. Intuitively I feel like I am picking up what IT is putting down here.

Wouldn't mind a link to that if you're digging it out.

viewtopic.php?t=92735

Enjoy lol

Ta.

I won't delve too into that game for now, but initial thoughts are that I would probably struggle telling that play apart from our previous micro consistently just based on tone. Maybe a bit more second guessing and paranoia in this/the 8p than in that scum game?

This one in particular I'm maybe getting less of that levity from her? Which might just be a game pacing thing with people getting stuck in earlier than usual into RVS, as she mentioned. Not super sure though, I feel like in the Miku game, Querty/Jake and I also kicked things off pretty early (through no fault of mine, I maintain).

Whatever the reason, I think scum would probably be more actively concerned with keeping their tone within their usual range even if the game did feel a bit jarring?

I don't really get the same pings from those posts.

[Hiraki]

I think when people say this game is slow, it's just because no one is getting a lot of pings (I am also part of 'no one'). I'm writing this more for myself than anyone else to summarize my current thoughts in the game but I figured it would help.

I want to hear more from Seldom & imaginality but starting to lean red on the later of the two slots. The former just hasn't posted enough and especially not in the context of the game. I also don't love the rationale for the Tangion vote. I am OK with a D1 TR for Serra & IT at this point.

I am null on Ezy/Pzy because I don't really agree with any of their reads nor do I have a reason to disagree. I don't understand the wagon here.

There are posts I do not like from Kay but I am not sure if that's a posting difference yet. I think her earlier postings were not great but have steadily improved. I also don't understand the wagon here.

[Ezy Pzy]

Kay will always read good and genuine tonally. I'll need to reread her scum game where she toasted me again and compare her to this. Intuitively I feel like I am picking up what IT is putting down here.

Wouldn't mind a link to that if you're digging it out.

viewtopic.php?t=92735

Enjoy lol

i’m not a huge fan of meta, but i did take a quick skim of this and Kay is lean town in this game imo

she seemed a bit agenda-y/purposeful there whereas here she’s a bit lost, but i think that’s because she can’t help it due to her being uninformed

i’m curious to see what the banger and IT have to say with regards to her feeling pingy

~ezy

[Immortal Technique]

Kay will always read good and genuine tonally. I'll need to reread her scum game where she toasted me again and compare her to this. Intuitively I feel like I am picking up what IT is putting down here.

Wouldn't mind a link to that if you're digging it out.

viewtopic.php?t=92735

Enjoy lol

i’m not a huge fan of meta, but i did take a quick skim of this and Kay is lean town in this game imo

she seemed a bit agenda-y/purposeful there whereas here she’s a bit lost, but i think that’s because she can’t help it due to her being uninformed

i’m curious to see what the banger and IT have to say with regards to her feeling pingy

~ezy

I wish I remembered more about that game, a skim through would probably refresh my memory a bit(lulz at The Banger though)

[Immortal Technique]

As far as her pings here, she just doesn't feel very free flowing to me. Imo, seems like she is more careful what to post

[KayJayQueue]

As far as her pings here, she just doesn't feel very free flowing to me. Imo, seems like she is more careful what to post

I’m just trying not to hyper post since that seems to get me into heated arguments in every single game and I don’t like it. If you’re talking about specifically those posts you responded to that I think were about greedy, I can’t remember exactly, you’re entitled to your opinion but I really do feel this dual responsibility/paranoia around greedy and it’s a lot of pressure on me (maybe self-inflicted) but it’s there and was affecting my posting immediately after that loss to scum!greedy.

[serrapaladin]

Getting good vibes from Hiraki here. Him + Greedy are the closest to proper townreads I've got.

I think knowing that Pzy is entirely new to the game somewhat weakens Greedy's argument for me. If you've just not played the game before you won't have developed any sort of intuition for how their kind of posts would be perceived so I feel like Pzy's posts are likely just NAI.

[serrapaladin]

As far as her pings here, she just doesn't feel very free flowing to me. Imo, seems like she is more careful what to post

Is that a meta read or just based on a general tell of being careful?

[Immortal Technique]

As far as her pings here, she just doesn't feel very free flowing to me. Imo, seems like she is more careful what to post

Is that a meta read or just based on a general tell of being careful?

A little from column A, a little from column B

[serrapaladin]

Kay will always read good and genuine tonally. I'll need to reread her scum game where she toasted me again and compare her to this. Intuitively I feel like I am picking up what IT is putting down here.

Wouldn't mind a link to that if you're digging it out.

viewtopic.php?t=92735

Enjoy lol

i’m not a huge fan of meta, but i did take a quick skim of this and Kay is lean town in this game imo

she seemed a bit agenda-y/purposeful there whereas here she’s a bit lost, but i think that’s because she can’t help it due to her being uninformed

i’m curious to see what the banger and IT have to say with regards to her feeling pingy

~ezy

Did you just dig into that scum game or also compare a town game?

[Seldom Sought Harmony]

Sorry for having low activity. I'll try to remedy this when I come back from work.

I don't really agree with the reasoning, but I can see it coming from Town.

What do you think about the "naked vote on a non-wagon" framing?

It could just be how they phrased it, but that felt to me like it was trying to refute my justification here:

Ya could have just voted with me for a moment, but fine. I've played with Tangion before and felt like that's a slot where

a bit of pressure would help me sort him

, so wanted to see how he'd react to the potential of me having picked up on something incriminating in his RVS.

Incidentally, I don't feel like his back and forth with Immortal looked exactly the most natural, but I don't think that alone is a good enough reason for a scumread, and didn't want to get into an argument about whether it is, so replied as I did instead.

by implying that I couldn't have thought that my vote would apply any pressure. I think that framing is inconsistent with how they later describe it:

a naked vote with no explanation was the most critical thing that had happened in the game at that point

Consider: Your naked vote was literally the first noteworthy thing that happened in the game. Ezy, like yourself, wanted the game to properly start. So they latched to the only thing they could have. When you turned it back to them, they felt defensive and doubled down.

[imaginality]

Getting good vibes from Hiraki here. Him + Greedy are the closest to proper townreads I've got.

I think knowing that Pzy is entirely new to the game somewhat weakens Greedy's argument for me. If you've just not played the game before you won't have developed any sort of intuition for how their kind of posts would be perceived so I feel like Pzy's posts are likely just NAI.

I definitely need to reread as I didn't have the sense of Greedy feeling town here when I last posted.

Though my Hiraki scum ping was based on a mistaken memory - I thought Hiraki was in another game I'd been in and played more aggressively there but it was a completely different player I was thinking of.

[serrapaladin]

Consider: Your naked vote was literally the first noteworthy thing that happened in the game. Ezy, like yourself, wanted the game to properly start. So they latched to the only thing they could have. When you turned it back to them, they felt defensive and doubled down.

That's definitely a plausible explanation for what happened, but why do you think the scum!EzyPzy world is less plausible?

[serrapaladin]

I definitely need to reread as I didn't have the sense of Greedy feeling town here when I last posted.

I don't feel like scum!Greedy would feel the need to play like he did so far to position himself in the game. He didn't really leverage the whole RT stuff with Tangion/me into prolonged pressure against either of us. Particularly if Tangion is town, tagging a townie and telling them to hammer another doesn't really have that many good outcomes for scum!Greedy. If it really happens, there's a good shot all three of us just get limmed, and my impression from that scum PT in his scum game is that he wouldn't consider that 2-for-1 trade an ideal outcome. There's probably a world where he's scum with Tangion, did a bit of chainsawing on me early and then had primed Tangion in their PT with how to react before "reaction testing" him about the hammer, but eh that feels a bit too tinfoil.

There were a couple of people who commented about that RT sequence feeling weird, and that's just not a risk I think he'd need to take as scum at this point without the tangible benefit of immediate mislim potential.

[KayJayQueue]

I feel like I’ve been told before but can someone refresh my memory: what is chainsawing?

[imaginality]

Where one player defends another by attacking the person who was attacking them. Instead of directly countering the case against the first player

Anna: Bob's so scummy for ABC reasons, vote Bob
Carol: hey look how scummy Anna's being for XYZ reasons, vote Anna everyone

[KayJayQueue]

Where one player defends another by attacking the person who was attacking them. Instead of directly countering the case against the first player

Anna: Bob's so scummy for ABC reasons, vote Bob
Carol: hey look how scummy Anna's being for XYZ reasons, vote Anna everyone

Thank you, I didn’t know that had a name. I see this ALL the time (and I do it myself sometimes) but I’m not sure what conclusion I should draw from it. Is it normally AI on the scum side?

[imaginality]

Like a lot of anti-town actions its usefulness as a tell probably fluctuates with changes in site meta and player meta.

The wiki article notes it's more reliable after the defended player has flipped scum and if the defender hasn't previously expressed suspicion of the attacker