Full Bastard Crazy Anything UPICK - Endgame

[DragonHood]

Tbh it feels like Extasly is throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks lol

-Kay

[hasdgfas]

What if there is just an actual role blocking scum role? Or something similar? Is that not possible?

-Kay

This is part of my scumslip theory. If WTE just roleblocked imaginality, she knows that and knows that serra's role is just a troll which is why she posted under the assumption serra is a troll role

[Weirdly Tall Extasly]

yeah see my problem with all these roleblocking worlds is that it doesn't even look like serra was roleblocked? like, even if you wanted to give a non answer to a question asked during the day if serra is roleblocked during the night (weird) the artist in botc as a built in "i don't know" answer planned, that's way more credible for a result where all this would be because of serra being roleblocked

[hasdgfas]

Because I didn't get an answer, I kinda think my question is pretty independent of others claiming, so happy to just share it. During N1, I asked:

Is at least 1 of whemestar/ImmortalTechnique/C-Worl a threat to the town that needs to be eliminated to fulfil the town (primary) win condition?

Was hoping to get 3 clears that I could just reveal via the Arsenal PT even if I was dead, which I think would have been pretty useful.

But serra claimed asking during night???

[Weirdly Tall Extasly]

Tbh it feels like Extasly is throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks lol

-Kay

because i know that something wack is happening and i don't know what it is and i wanna solve the puzzle and i'm litterally so engaged in this like there's crazy shit happening girl it's amazing

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m unsure, cause like if they just wanted to give me a fake result or whatever wouldn’t the mod just tell me one of the many dead and flipped threats to town makes me more believe this is melo and there is two left

if there was 1 scum alive, giving a result on who the scum is basically means autowin for town since we have time to kill both slots at 6 players, i guess that's a pretty decent argument for only 1 scum being alive in my PoV, since like, it makes sense with you receiving a false guilty on me

if you legit think this is MeLo can you maybe unvote? i'm honestly not sure where i stand on that and i want the time to figure it out

This doesn’t track
If sloth is scum claiming a fake guilty on you, that would be foolish unless this was actually MeLo and he wouldn’t have to deal with consequences later.

post above is from a PoV of sloth's role being real

Just to be clear, I did figure this out

uh, did i misundersteand your question then?

No, I just figured it out once I read more

[Weirdly Tall Extasly]

Because I didn't get an answer, I kinda think my question is pretty independent of others claiming, so happy to just share it. During N1, I asked:

Is at least 1 of whemestar/ImmortalTechnique/C-Worl a threat to the town that needs to be eliminated to fulfil the town (primary) win condition?

Was hoping to get 3 clears that I could just reveal via the Arsenal PT even if I was dead, which I think would have been pretty useful.

But serra claimed asking during night???

my bad

did serra specify when his question was resolved? because obviously if it's an instant resolution action (which is what i've understood it as) it can't be messed with by actions in a night phase that isn't over yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk I feel like I have to believe the information I have waited and had to live to get isn’t false info though, but the way you’re acting is so strange I cannot tell if it’s AI

i know your info is fake, and i'm getting the read from you that you aren't aware that it's fake, maybe that'll help you understeand where i'm coming from

okay

@sloth

could your check have been redirected? The redirector is still at large and I could see it possibly interfering here

we have a confirmed redirector? since when

Imaginality claimed to target FB n1, FB was able to give a gun n1, and serra had his action interfered/blocked when he couldn’t have been reflexively blocked by you

[Weirdly Tall Extasly]

[Houraisan Kaguya]

This is a very cool discussion y'all have going on here, why don't we ask what the audience thinks of this?

[Houraisan Kaguya]

VC 6.2 (Unchanged)

Weirdly Tall Extasly (1):

sloththeholy (3380)

Not voting (5):

Dragonhood, Gamma Emerald, hasdgfas, Weirdly Tall Extasly, Puppetmaster

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to secure an elimination.

Deadline (expired on 2024-11-20 20:04:15)

[Weirdly Tall Extasly]

Idk I feel like I have to believe the information I have waited and had to live to get isn’t false info though, but the way you’re acting is so strange I cannot tell if it’s AI

i know your info is fake, and i'm getting the read from you that you aren't aware that it's fake, maybe that'll help you understeand where i'm coming from

okay

@sloth

could your check have been redirected? The redirector is still at large and I could see it possibly interfering here

we have a confirmed redirector? since when

Imaginality claimed to target FB n1, FB was able to give a gun n1, and serra had his action interfered/blocked when he couldn’t have been reflexively blocked by you

yeah this sounds more like a roleblocker to me, also for the reasons i've highlighted i think it's more likely that serra's role was a dud, even though i guess it doesn't make too much of a difference

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk I feel like I have to believe the information I have waited and had to live to get isn’t false info though, but the way you’re acting is so strange I cannot tell if it’s AI

i know your info is fake, and i'm getting the read from you that you aren't aware that it's fake, maybe that'll help you understeand where i'm coming from

okay

@sloth

could your check have been redirected? The redirector is still at large and I could see it possibly interfering here

What do you think of my WTE scumslip theory?

That means no redirector, just scum interfering with imaginality and serra's role is just a troll?

Only WTE has commented so far and I want to know if I am barking up the wrong tree.

Remind me what slip was again? I subscribe to theory that most scumslips are not slips

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah see my problem with all these roleblocking worlds is that it doesn't even look like serra was roleblocked? like, even if you wanted to give a non answer to a question asked during the day if serra is roleblocked during the night (weird) the artist in botc as a built in "i don't know" answer planned, that's way more credible for a result where all this would be because of serra being roleblocked

Honestly I want to slap pooky because I think he mussed point of Artist role

[hasdgfas]

4 groupscum + 2 hostile third parties sounds really rough for town, especially considered our power level so far, so i'm inclined to disbelive this is MeLo

sloth, is your formulation exactly "a threat to town" cause my first thought was that this could be some monkey's paw shit where since i've played so chaotic and stuff, i'm showing up as a threat to town (this would be in line with pooky messing with serra's artist question)

I think Extasly scumslipped here.

We know that Imaginality targeted Firebringer with an Alien ability, and we know that Serra got a strange reply to his question.

How do you know that Pooky messed with serra's question as opposed to the redirector we were discussing yesterday unless you know that you specifically messed with imaginality and not serra?

I don't feel like "you are acting like you

know

serra wasn't roleblocked" is huge acrobatics with what we already know about imaginality targeting someone whose ability went through with an Alien ability.

I am really not following the last two paragraphs.

They read to me like you're both saying "serra got roleblocked" and "serra didn't get roleblocked but just has a troll role" at the same time.

It read to me that WTE was posting like she knows that serra is a troll role rather than there being a redirector swapping imaginality onto him

[Weirdly Tall Extasly]

4 groupscum + 2 hostile third parties sounds really rough for town, especially considered our power level so far, so i'm inclined to disbelive this is MeLo

sloth, is your formulation exactly "a threat to town" cause my first thought was that this could be some monkey's paw shit where since i've played so chaotic and stuff, i'm showing up as a threat to town (this would be in line with pooky messing with serra's artist question)

I think Extasly scumslipped here.

We know that Imaginality targeted Firebringer with an Alien ability, and we know that Serra got a strange reply to his question.

How do you know that Pooky messed with serra's question as opposed to the redirector we were discussing yesterday unless you know that you specifically messed with imaginality and not serra?

I don't feel like "you are acting like you

know

serra wasn't roleblocked" is huge acrobatics with what we already know about imaginality targeting someone whose ability went through with an Alien ability.

I am really not following the last two paragraphs.

They read to me like you're both saying "serra got roleblocked" and "serra didn't get roleblocked but just has a troll role" at the same time.

It read to me that WTE was posting like she knows that serra is a troll role rather than there being a redirector swapping imaginality onto him

also like, it might just be me, but acting as if serra being a troll role is less likely than whatever roleblocker redirector shenanegans y'all are cooking up is kinda amusing me

[Weirdly Tall Extasly]

yeah see my problem with all these roleblocking worlds is that it doesn't even look like serra was roleblocked? like, even if you wanted to give a non answer to a question asked during the day if serra is roleblocked during the night (weird) the artist in botc as a built in "i don't know" answer planned, that's way more credible for a result where all this would be because of serra being roleblocked

Honestly I want to slap pooky because I think he mussed point of Artist role

i wanna kiss pooky on the face cause he missed the point of the artist role and created something beautiful

[sloththeholy]

Look mate, I was just giving the information that was given to me, I was excited I made it this far

like honestly what's your call on everything that i've been theorizing about and stuff?

Makes me head hurt, I think there might be something to what gamma is saying perhaps,

Maybe it’s just bastard game and I got false info,

Maybe your scum and this is like your gambit, real strange

Maybe ythan is scum and your not, that would be really really weird

my problem kinda lies in who even is scum if you're not and i'm not lol

ythan + puppetmaster scumteam???????

Well I’m not and my information says you are, but perhaps it’s ythan and not you, idfk, Puppetmaster maybe, gamma maybe, hascow maybe

IT and Hascow pinged me early but haven’t really since, and gamma did like yesterday in terms of game days but I really do not know

[Gamma Emerald]

4 groupscum + 2 hostile third parties sounds really rough for town, especially considered our power level so far, so i'm inclined to disbelive this is MeLo

sloth, is your formulation exactly "a threat to town" cause my first thought was that this could be some monkey's paw shit where since i've played so chaotic and stuff, i'm showing up as a threat to town (this would be in line with pooky messing with serra's artist question)

I think Extasly scumslipped here.

We know that Imaginality targeted Firebringer with an Alien ability, and we know that Serra got a strange reply to his question.

How do you know that Pooky messed with serra's question as opposed to the redirector we were discussing yesterday unless you know that you specifically messed with imaginality and not serra?

I don't feel like "you are acting like you

know

serra wasn't roleblocked" is huge acrobatics with what we already know about imaginality targeting someone whose ability went through with an Alien ability.

I am really not following the last two paragraphs.

They read to me like you're both saying "serra got roleblocked" and "serra didn't get roleblocked but just has a troll role" at the same time.

It read to me that WTE was posting like she knows that serra is a troll role rather than there being a redirector swapping imaginality onto him

I kinda see it, but it’s still dubious

[Gamma Emerald]

4 groupscum + 2 hostile third parties sounds really rough for town, especially considered our power level so far, so i'm inclined to disbelive this is MeLo

sloth, is your formulation exactly "a threat to town" cause my first thought was that this could be some monkey's paw shit where since i've played so chaotic and stuff, i'm showing up as a threat to town (this would be in line with pooky messing with serra's artist question)

I think Extasly scumslipped here.

We know that Imaginality targeted Firebringer with an Alien ability, and we know that Serra got a strange reply to his question.

How do you know that Pooky messed with serra's question as opposed to the redirector we were discussing yesterday unless you know that you specifically messed with imaginality and not serra?

I don't feel like "you are acting like you

know

serra wasn't roleblocked" is huge acrobatics with what we already know about imaginality targeting someone whose ability went through with an Alien ability.

I am really not following the last two paragraphs.

They read to me like you're both saying "serra got roleblocked" and "serra didn't get roleblocked but just has a troll role" at the same time.

It read to me that WTE was posting like she knows that serra is a troll role rather than there being a redirector swapping imaginality onto him

also like, it might just be me, but acting as if serra being a troll role is less likely than whatever roleblocker redirector shenanegans y'all are cooking up is kinda amusing me

[hasdgfas]

4 groupscum + 2 hostile third parties sounds really rough for town, especially considered our power level so far, so i'm inclined to disbelive this is MeLo

sloth, is your formulation exactly "a threat to town" cause my first thought was that this could be some monkey's paw shit where since i've played so chaotic and stuff, i'm showing up as a threat to town (this would be in line with pooky messing with serra's artist question)

I think Extasly scumslipped here.

We know that Imaginality targeted Firebringer with an Alien ability, and we know that Serra got a strange reply to his question.

How do you know that Pooky messed with serra's question as opposed to the redirector we were discussing yesterday unless you know that you specifically messed with imaginality and not serra?

I don't feel like "you are acting like you

know

serra wasn't roleblocked" is huge acrobatics with what we already know about imaginality targeting someone whose ability went through with an Alien ability.

I am really not following the last two paragraphs.

They read to me like you're both saying "serra got roleblocked" and "serra didn't get roleblocked but just has a troll role" at the same time.

It read to me that WTE was posting like she knows that serra is a troll role rather than there being a redirector swapping imaginality onto him

also like, it might just be me, but acting as if serra being a troll role is less likely than whatever roleblocker redirector shenanegans y'all are cooking up is kinda amusing me

Something

happened to imaginality. I feel like it is logical to assume a redirect onto a role that did functionally nothing the same night.

[Weirdly Tall Extasly]

the problem is timings though, now this might just be me assuming shit, but a role that does this kind of anytime activation, being done during the night, can't be targeted during the night by roleblocks since it resolves instantly

[hasdgfas]

Maybe?

Serra can talk in the peanut gallery though, I want to hear from him about this.

[Gamma Emerald]

the problem is timings though, now this might just be me assuming shit, but a role that does this kind of anytime activation, being done during the night, can't be targeted during the night by roleblocks since it resolves instantly

Valid question

[hasdgfas]

Would love to hear from Puppetmaster instead of him just kinda sitting on the sidelines (assumedly) petting a cat with his giant puppet fingers or whatever.