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[gob]

Don't give me that face Gamma, it's the truth. You will all see here shortly, haha.

[Gamma Emerald]

You don’t need to be rude about it though

[petroleumjelly]

Okay. So gob, a few things.

1.)

Insulting us isn't helping.

2.)

Many of us are clearly skeptical of relying on vote count analysis. You seem to be continually pushing the idea that on Day One, there "must" have been one scum not on the Immortal Technique wagon, and that as a result, we should be focusing our efforts on the group of {Something_Smart, Dannflor, gob}.

First, you are contained in that group. So eliminating you is partially following your own VCA.

Second, I'm sure we have all seen games where scum do not actually split their votes as your analysis not only presumes, but essentially requires. Something_Smart pointed to a recent game where all three scum were on the Day One wagon (see Open 881. I also remember that in one of the very first games I ever moderated, a Day One miselimination was achieved without a single mafia being on the wagon (see Mini 317). (In fact, none of the mafia were even voting for

anybody

!). So I have personally never put a lot of stock in assuming scum "must" split their votes in a certain way. They really, really don't have to. It is probably generally true, but it's not always true. You even admitted the same:
.

To be honest, I'm not even totally sure there is a mafia off the wagon. It's a non-zero chance all three went on IT.

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Third, as Something_Smart

also

pointed out, the assumption of "scum must have split their votes" seems more likely to be true when everybody has ample time to figure out where to best place their a vote. A deadline scramble is not likely to be the most informative, unless you actually analyze each individual vote. To your credit, you actually did so, and on Day Two you called out Black's vote as being the scummiest, which I consider to be a point in your favor.

Fourth, you seem to keep pushing the idea that the Night One Tatiana nightkill was done intentionally to kill somebody on the Day One Immortal Technique wagon. The more obvious and likely answer is that she was killed in large part because she was going after Black. The vast majority of players in this game do not seem overly concerned with focusing on VCA.

3.)

You point out that Something_Smart never voted for Black/KJQ. I agree that's a point against him. But you

also

never voted for Black/KJQ. Or Tangion, for that matter.

Also, you keep emphasizing how Something_Smart never voted for Black, but then on Day Three you excused Tangion for doing the same thing:
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Okay i think i know the last mafia.

I won't reveal exactly whom rn. But its not Tangy Lion. Tangy Lion never voted Black, but reading his ISO it doesn't seem like he votes a lot (similar to me). Also #787's fence sitty null read on the kyo/Black/Kay slot reads towny to me rn. Could be conf-biasing tho ig.


I'm wondering what everyone's big gripes with Tangy Lion are. Tbh i haven't been reading other ppls posts in depth so quote this one and tell me why. I will looker more intoer it.

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Essentially you said that it's okay that Tangion didn't vote Black because Tangion "doesn't seem like he votes a lot." However, Something_Smart

also

doesn't seem to "vote a lot."

4.)

Your play is, at times, nonsensical to the point of being difficult to believe.

You claim you were scumreading Black all of Day One but were actually just "pocketing" her. It's really hard to believe. It makes even less sense because you don't have a power role. VTs should actively want to draw the nightkill. Why bother "saving" your suspicion. If you went after her really hard and were nightkilled, that would have pointed to her anyways. (As we ended up doing based on Tatiana's nightkill). Have you ever done this before as town?

Also, you pretty much flatly contradict your Day One motivations regarding Black. Compare:
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The reason why i loudly defended the person I thought was scum (Black) was because it ensures I live at night (mafia team thinks I’m dumb and loudly wrong).

But also if i was wrong then I’m keeping Black alive, who is strong and fun to play with.

Day 1 I was null leaning scum on Black.

To be honest, I was mainly hoping Black would die day 1 since shes a hard mafia to lim.

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Your Day Three posting after the role-claims and defending Tangion is

very

difficult to reconcile. Either you are Town not paying attention (which is difficult to believe; I think you pay a

lot

better attention than your posting suggests) or you're scum acting like you're not paying attention.

5.)

There is a rather uncanny number of times where you or Tangion allude to being on the same "team," or where you otherwise suggesting you have too much knowledge.
.

whatever i already know your [Black's] alignment but im just doing this for the audience

tangy lion

yes how can I help you?

Betray your mafia teammates and join us townies. We need your expertise

smokey

It’s actually you, so don’t think you’re off the hook lol

What…

Plot twist…

tangy lion

yes how can I help you?

Betray your mafia teammates and join us townies. We need your expertise

we have been on the same team this whole time

, idk what you are talking about here?

I don’t have a problem with that, but your tone in doing so feels off, specifically the closing it off with “good luck!”
Feels a bit like you’re taunting

if you want to read it that way, remember I don't SR that slot have not yet even though it has been unpopular largely because most of the pressure on that slot has in my opinion been over practically nothing, so from my POV,

I'm simply wishing my team mate good luck

, but you can take it as a taunt I don't think we are on the same team.

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Actually, it strikes me now that Tangion never really seemed to refer to himself as being "part of the town"; instead, he would always refer to himself as being part of "the team." And semi-interestingly, the only people he called his "team" mates were Black and you.

6.)

Even with all of this, I still lean town on you. But you aren't making it easy.

Do you have more on Something_Smart beyond your VCA and the fact that he didn't vote for Black on Day Two?

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[gob]

I have nothing more to add.

I apologize for insulting but you guys are abhorrent not realzing the VCA here.

Lim me and lim S_S after.

[gob]

Thats not a contradiction btw, the point about Black. Me hoping Black will die day 1 but also not actively hunting her arent mutually exclusive.

[gob]

You guys are bad players ngl. No insult implied but this is a layup type move here.

[petroleumjelly]

You guys are bad players ngl. No insult implied but this is a layup type move here.

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Yeah, the insult isn't implied so much as directly stated.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just hammer, gob isn’t gonna change

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bad to the booone

[SirCakez]

hammer time pls

[petroleumjelly]

Was debating some sort of "moral" vote on Pooky, but I just re-reviewed his iso-posts, and I dunno, I like his posts on the whole. Frankly everybody kinda looks town to me. But I agree that I don't see today ending anywhere other than gob.

VOTE: gob

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

one time dealer lets gooooooooo

[petapan]

Vote Count 4.03

The Death of Chatterton, 1856, by Henry Wallis

gob (4):

SirCakez, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald, petroleumjelly

Something_Smart (1):

gob

Not Voting (2):

Something_Smart, Dannflor

With 7 alive, it took 4 to eliminate.

[petapan]

gob

was eliminated Day 4.

He was a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

[petapan]

It is now

Night 4

.

The deadline for Night 4 is

November 11

at

11:30 PM EST

. Submit night actions by PM, if applicable.

Fast Night is available if all living players request it.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2024-11-11 23:30:00)

[petapan]

Gamma Emerald

died on Night 4. She was a

Town 1-Shot Cop

.

It is now Day 5.

Deadline for Day 5 is

November 19

at

8:00 AM EST

.

[petapan]

Vote Count 5.00

Not Voting (5):

Dannflor, petroleumjelly, PookyTheMagicalBear, SirCakez, Something_Smart

With 5 alive, it's 3 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 5 is November 19 at 8:00 AM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2024-11-19 08:00:00)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

awww shit here we go again

[Dannflor]

I'm not looking forward to this

[Dannflor]

I haven't really looked at the game at all since the flip

I'll say my initial gut feelings were to look in [PJ/Something_Smart]

and that [Sir Cakez/Pooky] are safe

but I haven't actually done any work yet to investigate those feelings

[Dannflor]

That probably should make me feel better about you. (I do already feel decently good about you but you've heard the Boy Who Cried Deepwolf so you know how this goes.)

I was concerned about 3245 because that was kinda the worst time for you to be flipping on me but I guess I can excuse stuff that happened in between Tangion's claim and Ame's. Although I am surprised that you didn't really seem to be expecting the Ame CC when it was so telegraphed.

I think scum-you has to decide last night whether I'm mislimmable and if you think I'm not then you just go full pocket mode as you're doing. I suppose you've just handed me your hypothetical scum plan in 3621. But I think that it's probably correct to say that town-you would be setting aside your doubts on me most of the time.

I think this is the main post that has kept me second-guessing on Something_Smart

it feels somewhat designed to pocket me

[Dannflor]

sir cakez just doesn't really seem like he's playing to end game

[Dannflor]

I don't think I can say much more than I've already said. If you have questions I might be able to expand, but I think if I tried at the moment it would only be rephrasing, not adding:

re: the c-worl rep out stuff

1. I don't think we're actually allowed to speculate on her alignment based on the replace out given the new rule that was just put into place. This is more a reminder for myself than anything else because I am prone to do that.

2. even so, I don't find your argument very convincing just given the type of player c-worl is. I don't think c-worl would get frustrated or give up even if her team mate KJQ was playing suboptimal. I don't think c-worl is that much of a try-hard, in other words.

[Something_Smart]

it feels somewhat designed to pocket me

Did you misunderstand the post? It's not calling you town.

[SirCakez]

I hate that I am gonna have to play this game now
First instinct is still Pooky