Mini 2353 | If you die in game you die in real life mafiaFIN

[GrandpaMo]

i'm gonna take a deep dive into this game in the few upcoming days

[serrapaladin]

Well I protected nettle last night, but that was somehow bypassed. So it depends on how that happened and whether it's an unlimited role. If it's just an unlimited RB, I get blocked and you die.

I think it makes more sense to lim today, and then if scum don't have an RB you can still get a vig off tonight.

[estike]

whereas I still don't think I've reached at a firm conclusion about whether estike has legitimately reached the conclusion that I reasonably might be fakeclaiming as BG, or whether they're deliberately framing it in a less certain way that is useful to scum!estike by keeping a pivot to me open.

if you're town, you seem to think that i should think your claim means you are guaranteed to be town and nothing else matters, but you also don't apply same logic to hu tao for unknown reasons

whereas i think your claim is the only strong reason i have to believe that you are town, and it isn't 100%,

[estike]

and i also think this is a completely meaningless way to determine my alignment

[estike]

like you're like

'accept that i would not make this bet as a scums or you are not town!'

while at the same time thinking i would maybe do a bunch of random pointless low percentage and negative ev stuff as a scums

[estike]

and it's kinda hard to just ignore that

[estike]

whether they're deliberately framing it in a less certain way that is useful to scum!estike by keeping a pivot to me open.

like i am deliberately framing it in a less certain way as town because everything else keeps giving me pause,

but is doing so actually useful to scum!me? like mmmm

[estike]

Ah right, in that case yes, I do prefer to make cases directly at people to give them scope to explain their thought process. Not because I think I can convince someone that they themselves are scum, but to hopefully improve my read and also hopefully show that I'm trying to assess their play in good faith.

I also find the flip side of that useful, of getting people to explain their scum reads on me when I'm town, to help me figure out whether they legitimately came to those conclusions or not.

That's a lot more my playstyle than making crafted 3rd person "here's why estike is scum" cases, which I actually find somewhat scummy usually

why 'make case' instead of

ya know, discuss with, try to understand my thought process, that's what i was saying

[Hu Tao]

if we no kill;

doesn't serra if bg always dies tonight?

We could lose if we no eliminate. It's better to always eliminate here.

[Hu Tao]

I guess i should look more into estike too.

[estike]

I guess i should look more into estike too.

i mean, you can but assumption re:me correct if you’re town, shrugs,

[estike]

idk part of what bothering me about serrapaladin is the whole not considering what i’m doing not looking at my play thing just taking ‘possible intentions’ out of it or whatever

[estike]

not even just with the dunnstral stuff or serrapaladin’s claim but also with cedrick things from early day two

[Hu Tao]

Interesting string of posts

Having read the last eight pages I have a pocket scum read and 3-4 players I town read enough to not want to vote out today.

is there any benefit to 'pocket scum read'

also is it dunnstral?

Why bring me up?

trying to skew iri's response in a readable way

Why did you say dunn here?

[estike]

like it’s like ‘oo worried it might be tmi!!!’ but ??? how are weighting that how are weighting any of things why not taking into account knowledge of me as a player

[estike]

Interesting string of posts

Having read the last eight pages I have a pocket scum read and 3-4 players I town read enough to not want to vote out today.

is there any benefit to 'pocket scum read'

also is it dunnstral?

Why bring me up?

trying to skew iri's response in a readable way

Why did you say dunn here?

i have answered this question so many times - dunnstral strongest scum in the game and i was trying to skew iri’s response like i said

[estike]

like my thought process was ‘oh who would iri probably not have strong thoughts on but might react readably to - dunnstral is strong wolf and hadn’t posted much, so!’

[estike]

iri’s response was whatever

[estike]

but had iri been like, ‘oh yes this bothered me!!’ or ‘nah dunnstral towny because x’ that would have probably been noteworthy as i didn’t have much in the way of thoughts regarding at that time

[estike]

the purpose was reading iri - same purpose of most of my posts before going braindead - reading whoever i was interacting with at that time

[Hu Tao]

But can you understand why it could look sus

[estike]

But can you understand why it could look sus

not really - i am capable of having non-awkward interactions with my partners as a scum and if anything i think dunnstral appearing to react in that way should be non-sus from an outside perspective

[estike]

or rather anti-sus

[estike]

like people focusing on that is ??? to me because it just would not happen like that if i were a scums,

[estike]

like why is it sus that i chose dunnstral as example? like how does that make it more likely i am dunnstral’s partner, and how does dunnstral’s reaction to that?