Can you list what each separate (Rebels & Assassins) setup entails?Xylthixlm wrote:Re-nominateRebels in the Palace, as its nomination somehow translated into an AitP nomination on the way to the queue.
I thought AiTP standard wereXylthixlm wrote:Rebels in the Palace
8 Rebels (win if King is lynched)
3 Guards (know who King is but not who the other Guards are, win if King + Guards >= Rebels)
1 King (doesn't know anyone, wins if King + Guards >= Rebels)
Assassins in the Palace
2 Assassins (have vengeful kill when lynched, win if King dies)
9 Guards (know who King is but not who the other Guards are, win if all Assassins are dead)
1 King (doesn't know anyone, wins if all Assassins are dead)
Xylthixlm wrote:1) That was from memory, so I'm not surprised if it's wrongPokerFace wrote:1) Did the standards change, or am I wrong about something being standard?
2) Both are nightless. Assassins can only talk to each other in twighlight or pregame. Correct?
3) Is Your given Assassin's Setup really in the queue now?
2) Don't know
3) I proposed RitP in the last thread, and it got nominated/seconded/etc., but somehow AitP got added to the open queue instead of RitP. I have no idea if that's still in the queue or if it got run.
mith wrote:There's no one standard for AitP; multiple variations have been tried.
Ok well I don't know if its balanced but I guess testing it is one way to find that out.Xylthixlm wrote:Rebels in the Palace
8 Rebels (win if King is lynched)
3 Guards (know who King is but not who the other Guards are, win if King + Guards >= Rebels)
1 King (doesn't know anyone, wins if King + Guards >= Rebels)
I'm not sure when I think there was a thread about calling it a reporter or a photographer. I only recently have seen a few games where a photographer was used like that.The Fonz wrote:When did people start calling that role a reporter, Poker? I've never seen that in a game. If y'all wanted to call them reporter/watcher though, that would be fine by me. Since reporter also sounds better than 'weak tracker.'
Why up to 2 trackers and only 1 max of everything else?The Fonz wrote:Nominate:
Jew C9 (New C9, but with no pigs. Or docs).
20 Players of whom:
4 scum
NK-immune SK
15 town, of whom:
0-2 trackers
0-1 Vig
0-1 Bodyguard
0-1 Jailkeeper
0-1 Super Saint
7-15 vanilla townies.
NIGHT START.
Note that the 'watcher' in this setup is what most of you would call a weak tracker, and the nightwatchman is what most people (imho, incorrectly) call a watcher.
Joke was directed at Ythill and he got it. Jdodge was not its intended audiance and he didn't get it or explanation that well.Wall-E wrote:The joke that needs to be explained was delivered by a poor comedian.PokerFace wrote:You still haven't gotten the joke yet have you jdodge? It was a satirical character rant that you took seriously. I never was pick pocketed by a gypsy. I act and make shit up all the time cause I find it amusing and I thought others would get a kick out of it. Ythill got it and figured I was joking, why didn't you?
Suppose I could have better played the performance by making an alt account separate from my own account where I could have done the rant, but meh. Sarcasm and satire fail on the net I guess.
Though I do think Unconventional is a better name for the setup than Jew still
These statements are normally true otherwiseWall-E wrote:A good comedian plays TO his audience, not over their heads (or under, in the case of racism).Alduskkel wrote:Or the comedian has a dense audience.Wall-E wrote:The joke that needs to be explained was delivered by a poor comedian.
Or both.
Fixed*PokerFace wrote:Joke was directed at Ythill and he got it. Jdodge was not its intended audiance and he didn't get it or explanation that well.Wall-E wrote:The joke that needs to be explained was delivered by a poor comedian.PokerFace wrote:You still haven't gotten the joke yet have you jdodge? It was a satirical character rant that you took seriously. I never was pick pocketed by a gypsy. I act and make shit up all the time cause I find it amusing and I thought others would get a kick out of it. Ythill got it and figured I was joking, why didn't you?
Suppose I could have better played the performance by making an alt account separate from my own account where I could have done the rant, but meh. Sarcasm and satire fail on the net I guess.
Though I do think Unconventional is a better name for the setup than Jew still
Others who the joke was not directed at, but did get it and or took it further satirically (shaft.ed, Korts,xyl)
This looks pretty cool on principleac1983fan wrote:Clever name goes here
2 Scum
1 Recruiting mason
6 Townies
Scum & masons each get a quicktopic, recruiting mason dies if he targets scum, recruiting is not compulsory.
I was considering putting a watcher/night watchman in there, but wasn't sure if it was necessary... thoughts?
Doesn't normal encrypter also get chance to make one reveal hidden from the town too? So that feature is not included or is only on a Janitor Encrypter combo role?Ether wrote:I just noticed the Rebels in the Palace game. Isn't that basically 4:8 Nightless, a game town already has an advantage in, with weakened scum?
Also:In another thread, Ether wrote:Fixed(12 players)
3 mafia (2 goons, 1 tailor)
7 vanilla townies
2 cops
Day Start
The tailor's target has its alignment flipped for investigative purposes for the night.SCIENCE(7 players)
2 mafia (1 goon, 1 encryptor)
3 vanilla townies
2 daymasons
Day Start
Encryptor's survival permits mafia daytalking. (Of course, it doesn't matter which of them has that role.)
You sure science setup is balanced? You sure those best names for those setups?Ether wrote:Also:In another thread, Ether wrote:Fixed(12 players)
3 mafia (2 goons, 1 tailor)
7 vanilla townies
2 cops
Day Start
The tailor's target has its alignment flipped for investigative purposes for the night.SCIENCE(7 players)
2 mafia (1 goon, 1 encryptor)
3 vanilla townies
2 daymasons
Day Start
Encryptor's survival permits mafia daytalking. (Of course, it doesn't matter which of them has that role.)
Then think of a new one for fixed now.Ether wrote:This is the game BJ won in. It also had a framer.
I actually think tailors, framers et cetera are a bad idea outside of open games and possibly really large ones, unless the mod has a disclaimer or a reputation for using them. Guilty result, town lynches guilty, town wastes lynch...but with the standard reliability of a guilty result, the town's been punished for something that isn't bad play.
SCIENCE should probably not be in all caps; science just gets me very excited. I do think it's balanced. Icould've sworn I'd had a different name for Fixed once, but I have no idea what it was.
You guys like this idea?Texas Justice with Outlaw Fix
9 One-Shot Vigs
3 Mafia Outlaws
You are aMafia Outlaw. Your fellow Mafia Outlaws are XXXX and YYYY. Each night everyone alive on your faction is able to talk strategy and choose to kill one player. Because you are Outlaws and not just normal Goons, you may also block any one player as a group each night. Your faction can control and use both actions each night as long as at least one member is alive. The person you block and the person you kill can be the same person or could be 2 completly different people. You win when the town is eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent this. Good Luck.
I agree with this. Run it.Empking's Alt wrote:Seraphim wrote:On second thought, I think 3 townies would be better. It gives less room for falseclaims but also gives the cop less targets to investigate.
So, I'll put both set-ups here for further evaluation.
C9 of Death Metal
1 Death Miller Cop
1 Doctor
2 Mafia Goons
3 VillagersNominate
BUMP!PokerFace wrote:You guys like this idea?Texas Justice with Outlaw Fix
9 One-Shot Vigs
3 Mafia Outlaws
You are aMafia Outlaw. Your fellow Mafia Outlaws are XXXX and YYYY. Each night everyone alive on your faction is able to talk strategy and choose to kill one player. Because you are Outlaws and not just normal Goons, you may also block any one player as a group each night. Your faction can control and use both actions each night as long as at least one member is alive. The person you block and the person you kill can be the same person or could be 2 completly different people. You win when the town is eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent this. Good Luck.
Think title and new role pm idea are good?
Does entire town need to be eliminated or just outnumbered by the mafia?
Fixed*PokerFace wrote:Disgrace to NK-Imune Miller Vigs
2 Mafia Outlaws
1 Cop
5 Vanillas
1 NK Imune Death Miller vig
(Any Mafioso Auto wins if left alone with vig)
Oman F11
1 Mafia Tough Guy - (nk imune mafioso)
1 Mafia Tailor
1 Cop
5 Vanillas
1 NK Imune Miller Vig
(Any Mafioso Auto wins if left alone with vig)
BUMP!PokerFace wrote:You guys like this idea?Texas Justice with Outlaw Fix
9 One-Shot Vigs
3 Mafia Outlaws
You are aMafia Outlaw. Your fellow Mafia Outlaws are XXXX and YYYY. Each night everyone alive on your faction is able to talk strategy and choose to kill one player. Because you are Outlaws and not just normal Goons, you may also block any one player as a group each night. Your faction can control and use both actions each night as long as at least one member is alive. The person you block and the person you kill can be the same person or could be 2 completly different people. You win when you outnumber or equal the remaining town. Good Luck.
Think title and new role pm idea are good?
Does entire town need to be eliminated or just outnumbered by the mafia?
In post 7544, BBmolla wrote:I guess it comes down to: What are you attempting to accomplish with this setup?
In post 7545, BBmolla wrote:Cause if it comes down to "I want Mountainous with neighborhoods" then you're set, just be aware of the scum skew in Mountainous and don't expect neighbors to have an immense impact upon it unless you get players who truly utilize it to their max potential.
Admittedly I just like to overcomplicate things
PokerFace wrote:If instead of
if X dies move houses
scum can be in same neighborhood
I changed the rules to
X dies, houses no move
scum CAN'T be in same neighborhood
Do you think that would help or hurt the town any?
In post 7561, BBmolla wrote:In post 7559, PokerFace wrote:want to be backup mod since you are helping me plan this out?
Yeah sure.
I guess my only gripe is things like this have been done before see: chatroom mafia or whatever it was called
You are an Odd SK Neighbor. You can only kill on odd nights when there are 4 or more people alive in the game. When 3 or less are alive, you can kill on any night. At night you may talk with XXX who is a Town Neighbor. You win when all other players are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent this
You are an Even SK Neighbor. You can only kill on even nights when there are 4 or more people alive in the game. When 3 or less are alive, you can kill on any night. At night you may talk with XXX who is a Town Neighbor. You win when all other players are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent this
1 Town Neighbor with Town Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Odd SK Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor with Even SK Neighbor
In post 7725, ika wrote:In post 7723, Mr. Rogers wrote:1)Should the friendly get outed earlier there are still means for the town to get confirmeds
1)Cause of how the setup is open, the moment a mafia is lynched, that guy's neighbor is confirmed town
2)I think this and the fear of outing the friendly may encourage town players to claim late.
Momentum is gonna be important in the game
1) i would argue an early (d2) massclaim is better then late
2) but that same fear would also be used to try to out them day 1.
your main problem does lie withing the "scum lynched other is town", you could just do randomization of neighborhood distribution so its all WIFOM
In post 7724, Bicephalous Bob wrote:In post 7722, ika wrote:my only problem with that is that friendly neighbor can easily be outed if everyone claims who they are neighbors with
the incentive for everyone to keep their hoods hidden is the best thing about this setup
the friendly neighbor is redundant since he can already confirm himself by claiming
I'd change him to a lonely townie
i was thinking of making it a "named townie"
In post 7739, BBmolla wrote:In post 7737, TierShift wrote:I'm still on the fencem I think it's pretty easy to find out.
It's not, I played a couple rounds of it last night. I think it might be too easy to win as town even if the merlin is straight up never even pushing on actual scum.
Would have to test a bit more.
You are aBomb Mechanic. You are confirmed town and bomb mechanic to all players. You can not be killed at night and you can not vote or effect the majority as you do not count towards the total player count. If 12 players are alive, its as though there are only 11 alive, it will only take 6 votes for a lynch. The timer on everyone's chest is set at the start to 72 hours. Whenever a player posts, their timer is reset. All timers are turned off at night and do not reset and restart until the next game day. The timer can be changed to any number between 24 and 120 at your digression. Simply postSet PlayerName to X hours. When that player next posts their next timer will be set to that length. Any player that posts 4 times on the same page auto blows up. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated, good luck
