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Post Post #425 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:37 am

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Ok wow, this is going to sound unbelievable but I just realized Datisi/Dann were posting things on this page that I didn't see before. It looks like I repeated the 10 post per day comment Datisi said and also Dann's question about fire. I'm bringing this up because I feel really scummy after noticing and I didn't want anyone else to get that vibe :lol:
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Post Post #426 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:50 am

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In post 405, LadyTerminallyOffline wrote:
In post 403, Dannflor wrote:
In post 399, LadyTerminallyOffline wrote: I COULD see a world in which Bell is scum here. But I don't think it's likely. Call it a 65-35 townlean?

Oh hell, i'm running out of posts due to the limit.


Okay lightning round go:

SirCakez: Exactly one day to live.
Bell: probably town. Or at least "lean town" as one gets with Bell on Day one in my head.
Black: I still want to call town? In the process of re-reading to confirm i still like that conclusion.
fireisredsir: Uh. I guess null? Fire and I exist on very different wavelengths and it's hard to read intent from Fire's posting style for me for whatever reason.
Ydrasse - Playing in a way that makes it very hard to read her. Could buy her flipping red.
Skygazer - Didn't like the "good enough for me" comment, demotivated, null-scum lean i guess
Dannflor - Initial townlean, in the process of re-reading to confirm i still like that conclusion
Datisi - Uh, maybe town?
LadyTerminallyOffline - Town and hoping not to be literally the reaosn we send the game right to mylim
tris - Demotivated, null.
imaginality - See a few posts above for my thoughts.

This should leave me 1-2 posts to reply if people do post tonight. Apologies for threadspam.
Can you track the trajectory of your fire read for me? I thought you had a town read there
Any earlier expressed townread is an endorsement of players I thought at the time were town and expressing confidence in their ability to read fire and calling him town.. Not my own read.
This is somewhat believable but I still think LTO would be reluctant to put fire in any sort of town block, and the earlier explanation doesn't track here. She initially said {me, Dann} were the "initial townblock" she was referring to earlier in the game, but Dann and I were both sus of fire at that point. So it doesn't make sense to me that LTO would put fire here based on Dann and I's reads
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Post Post #427 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:56 am

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In post 304, LadyTerminallyOffline wrote:
In post 302, Black wrote:
In post 301, LadyTerminallyOffline wrote: I'm back, I stepped away because i was getting emotional.

Oh, and the entire household is sick yet again. So uh, hi?

Trying to un-tailspin here, don't mind any turbulence. If people had pending queries for me I'll address them now.
In post 272, Black wrote:
In post 186, LadyTerminallyOffline wrote: And it's weird that it seems to be impossible to find a stake in the ground, somebody to talk to and bounce off of. There's a forming town block, of sorts, but it feels tenuous at best.
Who were you thinking of when you mentioned this town block?
That SUCKS btw. I hope you all feel better :(
If I had been asked to create a townblock at that point, I saw it as a reads cohesion/working together spirit forming between my townreads of {Black, Dann} but with me excluded because you both at that point at least had no POSITIVE opinions of me, regardless of your current negative view. "townblock" I guess is a bit of a misnomer when it's only two names, but the core of solid blocks tend to form with two or three players finding each other then slowly adding more reads to the outer layers of their fiefdom.
In post 125, Black wrote: VOTE: fireisredsir
In post 146, Dannflor wrote: I don't have any strong reasons to think fireisredsir is town
Her two main townreads were struggling to find fire as town, so I don't think her "I outsourced my reads" excuse makes a lot of sense here
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Post Post #428 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:30 am

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In post 304, LadyTerminallyOffline wrote: If I had been asked to create a townblock at that point, I saw it as a reads cohesion/working together spirit forming between my townreads of {Black, Dann}
In post 307, LadyTerminallyOffline wrote: So I guess my "current' town block looks something like....

{Black, dann, skygazer, fire}
Maybe Bell.
If we take the logic from the first post, including fire in the updated townblock doesn't make any sense. None of me, Dann, sky, or Bell townread fire at that point. If LTO's townblock is supposed to consist of a cohesion forming between her townreads then I'm even more confused why fire is included here
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Post Post #429 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:34 am

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If LTO is scum I think including fire here is +partnered

I'm worried I might have correctly pinned these two together and fire's strong townread on me is a setup to just NK me

If LTO flips scum and I die, I would probably never fade Dann here. Bell is right behind him
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Post Post #430 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:28 am

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Sircakez, please.
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Post Post #431 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:31 am

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Give reads or something, this isn't okay. Even if you're an IC or a vig whatever, I wouldn't put it past you to just try to draw a night kill as VT with this approach. But you are not meaningfully participating.
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Post Post #432 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:46 am

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Sorry you're going through stuff Tris, wish you the best.

In terms of TLO I don't have a comment yet because I'm still processing the arguments and my own thoughts. I'm not going to get in the way. The reasoning has holes in it, but counter arguments are inside the arguments black and Danflor are made how much they should weigh those counter arguments is difficult to get right.

I should probably go over TLO's posts myself and look for the subtle stuff. I feel...bad for asking but I'm in sleepy brain mode, TLO likes to drop subtle things that they hope town catch on to and they usually complain when they're not picked up in their scum PT. Are their any perspective "town slips" that feel a little unnatural or out of place?

Rather I am getting in the way until I get Sircakez to do something, but after that. I know it's a waste of time.
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Post Post #433 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:51 am

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I wouldn't mind if TLO themselves pointed out any such perspectives. They think make them town.albeit I know they're not in the best of shape and tbh, don't mind if they just pass on trying to convince a bunch of people that from a town them perspective are slowly convincing themselves of their guilt.
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Post Post #434 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:58 am

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Ah, I overstepped. Sorry Sircakez.
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Post Post #435 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:39 am

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okay fair enough maybe forgetting the fire read isn't a gotcha, it just sticks out to me

I should probably consider what I'd think/feel in a world where LTO flipped town but I'm also feeling quite lazy
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Post Post #436 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:48 am

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In post 392, Black wrote:
In post 391, Dannflor wrote: I don't really think the way fireisredsir is positioning and playing in this game is how he would do so as scum
Can you elaborate?
um yeah, so I think fire just isn't putting himself in a good position this game? I think fire is exceptionally good at playing the field and "politcking" so to speak in that he knows how to get people to like him and construct believable and towny sounding trajectories. I think as scum he gravitates towards spending a lot of his posts detailing his internal thought processes on complex reads so that people believe he is town. As town, I don't think he actually cares all that much at all about his position in the game, he's more interested in solving the puzzle of who is scum

I don't think the way he's pushed me this game has done him any favors, for instance. I sort of would expect him to go all out or more performatively dictate his evolving read on me if he wanted to position around me in a way that Looks Good. instead, he's been either holding the read somewhat close to his chest or being a bit wishy washy about it, both things that don't Gain for him as scum, but hold true to fire genuinely trying to puzzle out the game

another example, i think if fire was scum a post like would detail more of fire's individual reads on people and attempt to showcase his Real Internal Thought Process than the sort of macro philosophy fire describes. it's again just something that doesn't benefit fire as scum rlly

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another point, if LTO flips red, what has fireisredsir set himself up for tomorrow? he can't really believably push me I don't think. he could push datisi I guess?

I think this mostly comes down to me respecting fireisredsir as a scum player a lot and thinking he would be doing a lot more if someone like an LTO scum buddy were going down D1. That "a lot more" might not necessarily be trying to save LTO, but I feel like he would be setting up to get more capital or be able to manipulate the game state more D2 if that were the case.

I think fireisredsir actually doesn't feel a need or want to dictate the game state directly or indirectly that much this game and I think that's generally town indicative for them
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Post Post #437 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:28 am

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That's the first post by Dann that I like this game.
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Post Post #438 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:40 am

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tough crowd
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Post Post #439 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:03 am

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i like every dann post
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Post Post #440 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:07 am

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I lick every dann post.

Also am I claiming and moving on? Game is stalled flipping me is probably just right now sadly. I tried.
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Post Post #441 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:49 am

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In post 440, LadyTerminallyOffline wrote: I lick every dann post.

Also am I claiming and moving on? Game is stalled flipping me is probably just right now sadly. I tried.

Yes please. One claim.
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Post Post #442 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:57 am

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I already soft-claimed but just to hard claim, VT.
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Post Post #443 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:29 pm

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the website ate my post! aaaah!
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Post Post #444 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:32 pm

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oof...tl;dr?
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Post Post #445 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:34 pm

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Sometimes the "back" button can recover it, if you didn't close the tab.
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Post Post #446 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:47 pm

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In post 359, imaginality wrote: feels townish from Bell because I don't think scum feel the need to comment on fire unless it's to keep future options open. And if that were the case I don't think Bell would be questioning LTO for not including Ydrasse in her townreads.
why not? not everything scum does has a specific purpose. they post thoughts and observations to look like a town trying to solve the game.
tris I'm genuinely confused why I wouldn't find your page 1 posts town? Is it that your posts were already trying to play rather than being HOSTBRVS (hanging out shooting the breeze RVS)?
why do you? it feels to me like there's nothing about that post that someone would townread unless they already knew i was town.
In post 383, Dannflor wrote: I agree that the "datisi seems like he can have more partners than dann" sticks out as weird to me
i had that that thought too, but i feel like scum!imaginality might be aware of how opportunistic that sounds and would come up with a better excuse.
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Post Post #447 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:47 pm

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that was probably everything i replied to
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Post Post #448 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:48 pm

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In post 434, Bell wrote: Ah, I overstepped. Sorry Sircakez.
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Post Post #449 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2025 12:54 pm

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In post 446, tris wrote: wouldn't LTO be much less likely to forget a read she made on her partner?
It's moreso I think she was trying to sneak her partner into a townblock. I mentioned it in but the reasons for putting him in there don't add up
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