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Post Post #2300 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:31 am

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My confidence in Gimli is wavering.
I don’t want to get in a debate because my doors will be blown off, however.

This waffling about between gob and ger, the seemingly easiest marks today. Then lining up lims on slots that aren’t even currently active seems very convenient. I’m not saying they are scum, far from it.
But you said that you are having trouble making teams without gob and ger on it.
With all you do here, that’s like the laziest conclusion you could possibly come up with.

I will say though I did like you tell c-worl to be on an effective wagon. Pre coffee post. Go ahead and destroy me :).
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Post Post #2301 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:32 am

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@c-worl, love this post

I played with gera once, correctly scumread him and it took me many gamedays to get there

I was townleaning on gera on d1. today, I think he spewed himself scum. and I understand the evidence for that looks really thin, but its not thin for me. I think it denounces exactly what things gera knows, what things he is comfortable looking at, and what things he is uninterested in. for example, he is clearly uninterested in taking a real stance wrt you. he is uninterested in trying to find anyone in this game as town or scum. what he is interested in is arguing against pushes on him (which is fine, town does that all the time) and arguing about stuff he _knows_ is wrong about N1 kills. he knew I was wrong, and that's why he approached with 'muddling the waters' comment. I'm so tunneled on this, I can feel this came from a position of knowledge. town!gera doesn't know if we have a town vig, just like I don't know if we have a town vig. but if scum made either of the kills, they know exactly what happened during the night. and that's how gera approached me. with knowledge.

so, can you move gera with me instead of voting yourself? I'm not tunneled on you and I think flipping gob is a mistake we might have a hard time recovering from.

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Post Post #2302 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:33 am

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In post 2300, Scorpious wrote: But you said that you are having trouble making teams without gob and ger on it.
im saying the opposite

I don't think gob and gera are scum together

I think there's 1/2 here based off all the people I already pre-flipped as townies in my head
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Post Post #2303 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:38 am

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But you’re so off on me. It makes me wonder where else you may have miscalculated.

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Post Post #2304 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:45 am

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In post 2279, ketchup777 wrote:
In post 2227, Marshal Georgy Zhukov wrote: I am coming around to C-worl town, for the reasons ketchup stated.
Didn’t you think she was in her scum meta on the previous page though?
I don’t believe so. I scumread her, but not due to meta. ketchup’s point made sense to me, however.
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Post Post #2305 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:52 am

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In post 2300, Scorpious wrote: My confidence in Gimli is wavering.
I don’t want to get in a debate because my doors will be blown off, however.

This waffling about between gob and ger, the seemingly easiest marks today. Then lining up lims on slots that aren’t even currently active seems very convenient. I’m not saying they are scum, far from it.
But you said that you are having trouble making teams without gob and ger on it.
With all you do here, that’s like the laziest conclusion you could possibly come up with.

I will say though I did like you tell c-worl to be on an effective wagon. Pre coffee post. Go ahead and destroy me :).
Gimli’s push on LH75 would be a masterstroke if he’s scum. Most likely solution is just that he’s town. You have similarly been TR for how you acted around LH75 and their wagon but it is a lot looser. It was enough the give you the benefit of the doubt when considering people who seemed to be jumping on my bandwagon, especially when the sticking point for you, was my self vote, which I almost always would react nearly identically to, so I can’t really SR you for it.

I can understand why Gimli’s waffling here might make you reconsider sheeping/following/listening to him but you have to understand that we’re all wrong way more often than we’re right in these games. Gimli is going to be wrong sometimes. He’s been wrong about me two games in a row now and we just lost a game because he was wrong about me and Auriel. But we also lost that game because town eliminated someone Gimli had TR instead of finishing out his PoE which would have hit the last scum.

This waffling will likely produce results if we stay patient with it. If you see a flaw in the actual arguments against someone, absolutely speak up about that. But just don’t get disillusioned with a few waffles or miselims. Gimli’s lim/mislim ratio in the games that he’s been town in playing with me is crazy.
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Post Post #2306 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:54 am

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In post 2303, Scorpious wrote: But you’re so off on me. It makes me wonder where else you may have miscalculated.

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Who is this in response to? Gimli? Are you saying he’s off on you? I was under the impression that he’s townread you for most of the day?
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Post Post #2307 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:59 am

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In post 2306, C-Worl wrote:
In post 2303, Scorpious wrote: But you’re so off on me. It makes me wonder where else you may have miscalculated.

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Who is this in response to? Gimli? Are you saying he’s off on you? I was under the impression that he’s townread you for most of the day?
Yes. Sorry..

I was under the same impression
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Post Post #2308 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:00 am

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In post 2307, Scorpious wrote:
In post 2306, C-Worl wrote:
In post 2303, Scorpious wrote: But you’re so off on me. It makes me wonder where else you may have miscalculated.

Enjoy the outside..
Who is this in response to? Gimli? Are you saying he’s off on you? I was under the impression that he’s townread you for most of the day?
Yes. Sorry..

I was under the same impression
I went back and checked, he added you back to his PoE in his most recent readslist. The basis seems to be your D2 posting. Do you feel as if your D2 posting is undeserving of such suspicion?
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Post Post #2309 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:07 am

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In post 2308, C-Worl wrote:
In post 2307, Scorpious wrote:
In post 2306, C-Worl wrote:
In post 2303, Scorpious wrote: But you’re so off on me. It makes me wonder where else you may have miscalculated.

Enjoy the outside..
Who is this in response to? Gimli? Are you saying he’s off on you? I was under the impression that he’s townread you for most of the day?
Yes. Sorry..

I was under the same impression
I went back and checked, he added you back to his PoE in his most recent readslist. The basis seems to be your D2 posting. Do you feel as if your D2 posting is undeserving of such suspicion?
Everything deserves suspicion, what do you think?
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Post Post #2310 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:11 am

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Just seems very OOC for me to get “uncrossed”’for such weak reasonings.

And it felt very fishy. Like seeing if there was any traction, asking if others feel the same.
Almost like the prelude to a push.
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Post Post #2311 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:28 am

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In post 2309, Scorpious wrote:
In post 2308, C-Worl wrote:
In post 2307, Scorpious wrote:
In post 2306, C-Worl wrote:
In post 2303, Scorpious wrote: But you’re so off on me. It makes me wonder where else you may have miscalculated.

Enjoy the outside..
Who is this in response to? Gimli? Are you saying he’s off on you? I was under the impression that he’s townread you for most of the day?
Yes. Sorry..

I was under the same impression
I went back and checked, he added you back to his PoE in his most recent readslist. The basis seems to be your D2 posting. Do you feel as if your D2 posting is undeserving of such suspicion?
Everything deserves suspicion, what do you think?
Hard to parse personally.

You have been mostly a nonfactor for most of the day. Posting enough to not be considered inactive but mostly following the top 2 suspicions, me and Gob. You seem to have come up with unique reasoning for both of us:

For Gob it was his “horrible” readslist

For me it was the selfvote

I don’t feel as if Gob’s readslist was really that terrible. It was Gera, who I a slightly agree with, who Gob had been pushing previously. Then Gimli, who Gob had also been suspicious of for much of D1. MGZ who I am also suspicious of, based on the LH75 d1 interactions. And last on his list was ketchup, I don’t remember the basis of the case on ketchup at the time but I don’t remember ketchup being so obviously town at the time that his inclusion would be “terrible” overall the readslist seemed fine to me and consistent to what Gob had been previously saying/pushing. The only way to really say the list is terrible is if you know it’s wrong, which isn’t something a townie could know.

Ive already mentioned that I can’t fault you for being suspicious of my selfvote. I would have reacted similarly in your shoes. However, the comment about being sorry you ever voted that way did raise a slight red flag. It felt slightly as if you jumped on bc you saw an opportunity and walked it back when you saw people like ketchup reach an opposite conclusion.

Overall I wouldn’t necessarily SR you based on these points but I do understand why they would raise suspicion and cause Gimli to reevaluate your slot. You’re slightly above null to me currently and most of that is you being carried by your D1 handling of the LH75 wagon, which wouldn’t be impossible for you to do as scum, but I did feel as if it was unlikely.
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Post Post #2312 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:42 am

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In post 2310, Scorpious wrote: Just seems very OOC for me to get “uncrossed”’for such weak reasonings.

And it felt very fishy. Like seeing if there was any traction, asking if others feel the same.
Almost like the prelude to a push.
I don’t think the reasoning were that weak when compared to why you were crossed off to begin with. If you are town, you may be affected by knowledge that you are town, and so it looks worse to you bc of that knowledge but it’s important to remember that if Gimli’s town, he doesn’t know that you are. He’s trying to figure that out and uncrossing you when you appear to be sheeping/pocketed by him up to this point wouldn’t make a ton of sense for scum!Gimli to do.
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Post Post #2313 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:28 am

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In post 2295, Gimli wrote: god I need coffee
Same. Off an all nighter rn.
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Post Post #2314 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:33 am

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In post 2236, Immortal Technique wrote:
In post 2232, Marshal Georgy Zhukov wrote:
In post 2230, Immortal Technique wrote:
In post 2227, Marshal Georgy Zhukov wrote: I am coming around to C-worl town, for the reasons ketchup stated.
You kinda have to use vibes to read her

And they ain't there

*This is me using proper formatting lol
Possibly.

Do you think that C-worl’s lack of logic is scum indicative or town indicative?
I think she is more serious when she has to carry a bit, and more serious in general as scum

And while she will QH anyone while any alignment, she definitely knows she can hide behind that meta as scum

Not sure if this answers your question exactly
Understood.

I've found many of her cases to be patently illogical and in bad faith, but others have mentioned that she generally cares less about the game as town. Her original case on me seemed so egregiously bad that it could not be anything but in bad faith, although I have since revised this read.
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Post Post #2315 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:34 am

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In post 2237, mcqueen wrote:
In post 2235, Marshal Georgy Zhukov wrote:
In post 2234, mcqueen wrote:
In post 2216, Marshal Georgy Zhukov wrote: I stand by gob being scum. I would like everyone to read this post. It is the summary of my scum case on gob.

I want to make the case on gob is absolutely, categorically, crystal-clear. I want there to be no doubt in anyone’s mind why gob is being wagoned.

During the beginning of the game, gob does not place a read on LH, but engages in friendly banter and asks him a few questions. This is bog-standard scum distancing: throwing the inactive, LHF partner a bone that he can chew on, while not making any attempt to sort that partner.

When LH is wagoned, gob provides 2 justifications for not voting LH: 1. He may be a PR, and 2. gera and mcqueen are better wagons. This is an extremely typical read that low winrate Scum make on LHF partners that are being wagoned. Gob doesn’t want to explicitly townread LH, as that forces him to directly confront the players who are voting on the wagon (Gimli). gob doesn’t want to explicitly scumread LH, as he still holds out hope that LH can survive the day. The way he avoids committing to a read on LH is by saying that town should be directing their attention to other slots, like mcqueen and gera.

Once gob is pressured into voting LH, he puts him at E-1. After the hammer is placed, he says “I’m sure LH is town.” There contradiction is clear: gob
never townread
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At the beginning of today, gob says that he “never townread or scumread LH,” in clear contradiction of his comments at the end of Day 1.

When asked to explain why he was , he says that he “only came around to LH being scum at EoD1,” in clear contradiction of what he said both at the end of Day 1, and
just 2 pages before.


Gob contradicts himself every 5 posts. He has no consistent thought process.

Yes - gob is an illogical player, and tries to play the role of a strong, machismo person: a depressed but philosophical Andrew Tate, so to speak.

However,
gob breaks this character while speaking about the LH wagon.
The only other point in gob’s ISO where you see him engage with the main wagon is to townread ketchup because he received 4 votes so quickly. The difference between his comments on the LH wagon and his comments on the ketchup is wagon is that he makes no effort to get votes off ketchup, but devotes several posts to getting the wagon off of LH. Gob feels the need to say,
several times
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It is a near-certainty that gob will flip scum.

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Ok I agree with this. Maybe I misunderstood your previous post; I thought you were throwing shade my way.

How does your gob read influence your read of gera and I, for clarity?
I am in-between two worlds for my read on gera, and my read on you is +town.
Can you expand on those two gera worlds? Sorry if you’ve already explained.
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Post Post #2316 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:59 am

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In post 2315, Marshal Georgy Zhukov wrote: However, gob's behavior around the LH wagon indicated that he genuinely wanted to get the wagon off LH, and onto gera. This significantly raises gera's town equity.
how are you so sure on gob that you're pre-flipping him like this

I agree gera is more likely town when gob is scum at any rate
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Post Post #2317 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:00 am

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I lowkey love how c-worl knows exactly why I uncrossed scorp even though I didn't say anything about it in thread
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Post Post #2318 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:01 am

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In post 2315, Marshal Georgy Zhukov wrote: However, gob's behavior around the LH wagon indicated that he genuinely wanted to get the wagon off LH, and onto gera. This significantly raises gera's town equity.
This point only applies if Gob flips as mafia. Otherwise, it holds no weight on Gera’s alignment.
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Post Post #2319 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:02 am

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In post 2316, Gimli wrote:
In post 2315, Marshal Georgy Zhukov wrote: However, gob's behavior around the LH wagon indicated that he genuinely wanted to get the wagon off LH, and onto gera. This significantly raises gera's town equity.
how are you so sure on gob that you're pre-flipping him like this

I agree gera is more likely town when gob is scum at any rate
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Post Post #2320 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:08 am

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In post 2303, Scorpious wrote: But you’re so off on me. It makes me wonder where else you may have miscalculated.

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I've been considering who I can be misclearing. like c-worl said, the reasoning behind crossing you in the first place is kinda thin. I don't think you'd vote a scum partner without taking any credit for it the way you did. but your d2 posting isn't convincing me you're town. I feel like, maybe, your gob defense could also be coming from scum trying to take credit for being off a bad wagon, because you didn't engage with the scumcases against gob and you're just briefly mentioning like that how you oppose to it. then you hate his scum kill pool, but that didn't go anywhere either. anyway it's all the things c-worl pointed out, really. I don't think they add to a scumread or anything, and I'd never go ahead and pile on you this gameday. I'm trying to pivot from gob to gera as you can see.

if c-worl and gob are both town, and the game is 4 scum, then we're kinda fucked. cause other than gera and KT, all I see is slots who are unlikely scum. you, maybe trace0n, maybe zhukov... maybe mcqueen? maybe... IT???? IDK. it becomes paranoia and fuckery. hence I think gob still has tons of scum equity, but he doesn't mesh well together in a scum team with anybody on the kill pool except cworl. and tbh I'm just townreading c-worl? I think? I'm so scared of doing that? but maybe? and then the whole hood dynamics becomes one where c-worl isn't pocketing gob if she is scum but she is also not trying to parse him out as town cause who tf would, right? and gob is like 'youre scum youre scum youre scum' and then saying the opposite in gamethread cause he is crazy and town

and in that scenario gera is nearly always scum cause his slot is being murdered by POE. even when c-worl and gob are both scum, gera is a good flip. gera and KT. d2 and d3 should go to those slots imo.
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Post Post #2321 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:11 am

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Quick Question, if Gera’s scum why didn’t they vote me or Gob?
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Post Post #2322 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:14 am

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In post 2321, C-Worl wrote: Quick Question, if Gera’s scum why didn’t they vote me or Gob?
fence sitting? everybody wants to flip you two, well, until recent thread developments anyway

gera doesn't strike me as a strong pusher of the scum wincon, I'm not reading into it
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Post Post #2323 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:15 am

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im saying all that but if maurealshmallow comes here and says 'gimli stop being a goof and vote out gob' i'll say 'yes sir lets vote out gob'
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Post Post #2324 (ISO) » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:16 am

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I trust your reads over marshmallow, I haven’t played with them before
I love you,
I love you,
I love you,
I love you,
I love you,
I love you,
YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE ME
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