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[geraintm]

The idea that scum wouldn't bus and then move wagons when they are able to get the ammunition/motivations to try and save their partner is frankly absurd to me

Like that's a completely plausible if not expected outcome from a scum player, but you are saying that makes them more likely town? Absurd

There's a difference between what you're describing and staying on the wagon at E-2 and agreeing that the day needs to end.

It's both "get towncred while partner is going down"
Like you said, as soon as the viable counterwagon started they stopped pushing tf entirely

Like listen to what you're describing lol

but if they were trying to push the wagon over and it failing, that is different from bussing

I will if push comes to shove before deadline
But I do prefer cathedral here

Sounds fine to me
VOTE: The fool

like here, where someone knows scum is going down and gets in on the credit for it

[LH75]

UNVOTE: NicoleAndDIme

[furtiveglance]

furtive I think I owe you an apology like if that giga spearhead was an elaborate bus idk what to say ive been out fucking played like that is the biggest all in bus Ive seen in a long time if it is a bus

Uno reverse apology for 3275 - the last sentence was certainly unnecessarily antagonistic and teasing and I'm sorry for that - I should have expressed in a more authentic and earnest way that I felt you were exaggerating how much AD suspected me on D1.

As to my read on your slot, it has inevitably gone down a bit after you chainsawed so hard for TheFool, but on balance I still think you're more likely town. But I'm more likely to listen to others like fitz right now on vote targets.

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: average size post

The Firestarter/Titus slot has obviously been ridiculous all game.

My only hesitation there is that I haven’t figured out if TF/Nicole/Titus really makes sense.

Furtive has been making a lot of sense to me lately, and I’m happy to report that he is my one town read atm.

Agree that the scum team is harder to come up with for scum!Titus - maybe C-worl for one partner? Nicole would probably have to be town, which I know is hard to see for most.

The other player I was thinking about during the night is geraintm. Despite thinking TheFool was revealed as mafia by DragonEater in a slip, geraint never voted TF, instead choosing more 'side quest' type votes. It looked weird then and still does. 3152 is bad logic. Enchant kill could makes sense if geraint is scum, or being framed.

Enchant practically bread loafed imo, so maybe it all means nothing, but Enchant dropped a hint on D-1 to look at who he went after first thing on D-2. And his first vote D-2 was on Gera.

Gera also didn’t want to vote Nicole because of a town read on LQ.

1) What's bread loafing?
2) You think geraint and Nicole make sense as partners? Or are you making a different point?

I agree that JM looks TOWN, and I agree with

VOTE: NIcoleAndDIme

can people explain why Jmo16mla is town?

they have like 10 posts and weren;t on the The Fool wagon.
is it a holdover from previous players?

Yes, Gamma Emerald specifically.

The other player I was thinking about during the night is geraintm. Despite thinking TheFool was revealed as mafia by DragonEater in a slip, geraint never voted TF, instead choosing more 'side quest' type votes. It looked weird then and still does. 3152 is bad logic. Enchant kill could makes sense if geraint is scum, or being framed.

why was 3152 bad logic? If i thought they were scum, but i believe the claim then it means that Dragoneater is uch less likely to be scum and not for what i thought

I gave my opinion in 3153 and you replied in the next post without really explaining. But my argument was that an undeserved townread is suspicious in itself, whether of a buddy or a town.

[furtiveglance]

Nope. It's an NAI statement but important to solve. For instance if a cop claims guilties on three players, they're important to focus on.

Ok. I take it from there you decided they were town - was that based on VCA or their posts?

Titus, an answer to this would be helpful. No prizes for guessing who we're discussing - TheFool.

[furtiveglance]

And once again, it's not like we have anything good to go off of with cathedral yet to reconcile the slot

Or that it looks like we will get that information at all atp

VOTE: Cathedral

if I find any support for titus in my ISOs I will likely join there but I do think since we gained a tempo from the red flip yesterday it isn't a bad idea to just sort the cathedral slot now, unless they show up and actually start doing something

I wanted to address this angle - the fact that Cathedral wasn't replaced overnight means they picked up their prod with T3, so hopefully they'll post soon. If they don't, they'll be replaced.

[C-Worl]

FurtiveGlance makes me nervous but their handling of The Fool seems unlikely to be scum.

Nicole and Dime’s posting also feels off.

Hard TRing Gera. Just doesn’t make sense with Enchant NK.

[furtiveglance]

FurtiveGlance makes me nervous but their handling of The Fool seems unlikely to be scum.

Nicole and Dime’s posting also feels off.

Hard TRing Gera. Just doesn’t make sense with Enchant NK.

1) I'm not surprised I make you nervous - is it the way I casually drop your name into scumteams? My reasons for scumreading you are
a) historic reservations about your slot (can't be helped so I won't dwell on it)
b) argued we should wait to vote TheFool and joined the suspicious Cathedral wagon
c) strange response to Enchant push which I commented on before
d) Enchant kill

2) Interested in the 'also' - does my posting feel off like Nicole's?

3) Why wouldn't geraint kill Enchant?

[C-Worl]

FurtiveGlance makes me nervous but their handling of The Fool seems unlikely to be scum.

Nicole and Dime’s posting also feels off.

Hard TRing Gera. Just doesn’t make sense with Enchant NK.

1) I'm not surprised I make you nervous - is it the way I casually drop your name into scumteams? My reasons for scumreading you are
a) historic reservations about your slot (can't be helped so I won't dwell on it)
b) argued we should wait to vote TheFool and joined the suspicious Cathedral wagon
c) strange response to Enchant push which I commented on before
d) Enchant kill

2) Interested in the 'also' - does my posting feel off like Nicole's?

3) Why wouldn't geraint kill Enchant?

It’s actually harder to form believable SRs as scum bc of your TMI. For this reason it’s normally a bad idea once you’ve found someone you can believably push to kill them. Enchant was not shy about not wanting to vote The Fool. If alive, Enchant would have been on the short list of people under suspicion today. It doesn’t make sense for Gera to have killed them when they were already well positioned to push a miselimination on them.

Pushing me is not the reason I’m nervous about you, at least not the only reason. You just feel off. It could just be that I’m mistaking your confidence with TMI. At any rate I think you’re more than likely town and am more interested in Nicole and Cathedral.

It’s not unheard of to have Scum vs Scum wagons at EoD. I’ve seen it several times, but in most situations, when one wagon flips scum, the other was a Town counterwagon. Nicole coming into today immediately assuming SvS and pushing Cathedral seems strange.

[Cathedral]

hello

[Cathedral]

cool my read on food as maf was right

[C-Worl]

hello

Hello, I’m C-Worl.

You are going to love me.

[furtiveglance]

cool my read on food as maf was right

Yes food was maf

Can you order the alive players from town to maf?

[havingfitz]

It doesn’t make sense for Gera to have killed them when they were already well positioned to push a miselimination on them.

It doesn’t make sense for any scum to have killed Enchant when they were already well positioned to push a miselimination on them.

It’s not unheard of to have Scum vs Scum wagons at EoD. I’ve seen it several times, but in most situations, when one wagon flips scum, the other was a Town counterwagon.

Of course. This is one reason you and Nicole remain in my sus list. I would be surprised if one of you weren't scum.

Nicole coming into today immediately assuming SvS and pushing Cathedral seems strange.

Agreed. Though she was pushing Cathedral before her late D2 switch to The Fool.

[Civil Scum]

I wonder what the Enchant kill means

i never worry about that sort of thing, scum pick such random reasons

Usually I would agree with you, but this one is rather interesting.

I should also add that in my last game with scum!Nicole, she set me up with a NK and got me limmed in like 10 minutes.

[furtiveglance]

I wonder what the Enchant kill means

i never worry about that sort of thing, scum pick such random reasons

Usually I would agree with you, but this one is rather interesting.

I should also add that in my last game with scum!Nicole, she set me up with a NK and got me limmed in like 10 minutes.

Which game?

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Cathedral

so, the late bus of The fool doesn't look good from nicole

Why not? At this point The Fool and Cathedral were both E-2. Why would scum nicole switch to scum The Fool when she had just a much chance of the Cathedral wagon going through? How do the late C-Worf and LH's votes on the The Fool wagon look to you?

[havingfitz]

I wonder what the Enchant kill means

i never worry about that sort of thing, scum pick such random reasons

Usually I would agree with you, but this one is rather interesting.

I should also add that in my last game with scum!Nicole, she set me up with a NK and got me limmed in like 10 minutes.

So are you saying scum killed Enchant to frame Cathedral?

Why does that theory apply more to Nicole than Trace0n or C-Worf? Enchant was all over the place D2 and I do not recall him ever making any cases on people...which [Note to Enchant} would have been nice in hindsight. So the fact he was pushing Cathedral at the end doesn't mean much IMO.

[Civil Scum]

I wonder what the Enchant kill means

i never worry about that sort of thing, scum pick such random reasons

Usually I would agree with you, but this one is rather interesting.

I should also add that in my last game with scum!Nicole, she set me up with a NK and got me limmed in like 10 minutes.

Which game?

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[Civil Scum]

Bread crumb.

Yes. I already did.

Aside from your "positive" read on Trekkie?

Could you link to your current reads? Or come up with/share them?

My townreads are not endangered. That's.

Bread crumb.

Nicole's catch up (her first 10 posts or so) feel short and sweet and that feels in line with what I would expect from her as town. Probably need to check a scum game of hers at some point

They're all 2 years out of date.

At this rate I'm gonna roll scum in team Mafia and implode

No worry i will help you to avoid being eliminated.

...
Oh.

Here it looks like Enchant might be signaling that he intends to target Gera.

Oh thanks for reminding.


If i am weak/vain role, i visited Geraintm.

Otherwise look at first player i mention next day, ty.

This next post was Enchant’s 4th post of D-2.

VOTE: geraintm

[furtiveglance]

Hmm good spot...maybe the scum team got spooked by Enchantcop!

[Civil Scum]

Maybe KJQ crumbed too. I might check that out later.

[havingfitz]

@Civil Scum....I thought you were insinuating Nicole was setting up Cathedral based on Enchant's NK but your last post seemed to focus on gera. So who are you suspecting based on Enchant's NK?

And just for clarity...I myself am not interested in assigning suspicion based on the NK...but just want to understand why and where others are inclined to do so.

[Civil Scum]

Hmm good spot...maybe the scum team got spooked by Enchantcop!

Or a set up, or just incidental to the bread crumbing

I think this one was worth discussing anyways though.

[furtiveglance]

I thought geraint, maybe C-worl, since Enchant was pushing them^