Mod Error Mafia: 10 Years Later Edition (Game Over)

[usesPython]

Do not count our chickens before they hatch. Scum likely have smart mech people.

Is this based on anything specific or is it just a general "surely it can't be this easy"

Ah, earlier.
VOTE: usesPython

We're asking if Titus is thinking this, we're of the opinion that the game is just easy

[usesPython]

Aureal - 1-Shot Neighborizer (Formerly Universal Backup); Became 1-Shot Neighborizer at the end of the night
CubicalSucrose - Treestumps if killed at night; No action
Dannflor - Death Miller; No action
Firebringer - 1-Shot Wagon Dayvig; Shot ITF day 1
Immortal Technique - Watcher; Watched Python, saw only Radical Rat
Radical Rat - Buccaneer; Buccaneer'd usesPython
Scorpious - Singer; No action
Skelly - Ascetic Personal Rolestopper; Rolestopped sloththeholy
sloththeholy - 1-Shot Vigilante; Shot marcistar
Titus - Checks if someone has a Normal role; checked Diluculum
Trace0n - 1-Shot PT Cop 1-Shot Traffic Analyst; PT Copped Scorpius, no PT access
Trekkie99 - Novice Jailkeeper; Did nothing
usesPython - 1-Shot Amnesiac Cop; Copped IT, sent to Sloth

5 person POE wins here

Python/Sloth/IT/Firebringer are our never kill
Skelly/RR/Aureal are our probably town

leaves Cube/Dann/Scorp/Titus/Trace/Trekkie

We're thinking we flip Trace then move Scorp into town on a green flip and win the game?

[Skelly]

I would actually like to request that Skelly target me instead of Aureal.

I'm not terribly interested in proving Aureal's neighborizer shot at this point, I have reasonable confidence Aureal is Town regardless. But I can offer the same immunity to interference, plus kill protection, so I think preventing me from getting shut down provides a better value.

I'm not sure everyone else is as confident on Aureal town - and that's scary.

But open to suggestion. I target you, you target ???
Trekkie? IT? Trace? Titus? Who else has an active ability?

[Skelly]

I can't help but feel like we're missing something. Like, this is too easy.
Tailor. Role swapper. Doppleganger.

Something.

Like. Mods warned that they're trolling us.
FML.

VOTE: Skelly

"too easy" is a scumtell. Someone will let me know if Skelly is hardcleared later.

Is this a bad time to tell you my paranoia is actually a towntell that I worry I'll have a difficult time replicating in future scum games?
It's probably a bad time.

[Skelly]

This game feels locked down enough that we're kinda just considering having Trace and Titus claim and just killing Cube and Scorp to speed things up

I'm not fullclaiming if we're killing them anyway. Maybe if only one is left and we kill thrm. I think scum went to a lot of effort to get me killed and to claim yesterday. I want them locked in.

If I hadn't been at board game retreat I would've tried to come up with a good lie to claim as town this game. Koba would've maybe even helped given how they played Champs qualis last year.

But yeah I actually AM the stump role.

It might make sense for everyone to "double-confirm" now that all (I think?) of the claims are out? I dunno maybe that would blow up someone's "gotcha!" spot and we'd be thunderdoming and that's probably fine. Hmm. Someone else can think through it, but yeah I'm the stump / Treevivor.

Koba would have helped you fakeclaim...
And is playing in a game with a flipped Treevivor...

Lol.

[usesPython]

I would actually like to request that Skelly target me instead of Aureal.

I'm not terribly interested in proving Aureal's neighborizer shot at this point, I have reasonable confidence Aureal is Town regardless. But I can offer the same immunity to interference, plus kill protection, so I think preventing me from getting shut down provides a better value.

I'm not sure everyone else is as confident on Aureal town - and that's scary.

But open to suggestion. I target you, you target ???
Trekkie? IT? Trace? Titus? Who else has an active ability?

We think Aureal is town enough off ITF associatives to towncore her for a POE win

[Skelly]

VOTE: Sloth

Uses had it right. Why are you misrepping me?

You think I’m scum? Lmao please

insert "is this jester.png"

I'm paranoid of Aureal and Dann

GN everyone

As long as Aureal doesn't neighborize Dann, should be fine.

[usesPython]

We're still missing the roleblock on us

[usesPython]

So mafia roleblocker confirmed

[Radical Rat]

I would actually like to request that Skelly target me instead of Aureal.

I'm not terribly interested in proving Aureal's neighborizer shot at this point, I have reasonable confidence Aureal is Town regardless. But I can offer the same immunity to interference, plus kill protection, so I think preventing me from getting shut down provides a better value.

I'm not sure everyone else is as confident on Aureal town - and that's scary.

But open to suggestion. I target you, you target ???
Trekkie? IT? Trace? Titus? Who else has an active ability?

I think it's best to keep it ambiguous. In order to make a successful kill with me buccaneering someone and you rolestopping me, they'd need to use both their block and kill on the same target. Of course, they COULD shoot me directly, since you can't stop the kill... but then I could still prevent a roleblock on my way out, and you can do the same on the next night.

If my target is announced ahead of time, then they can much more easily work around that.

If there's a more specific chain of events that is deemed necessary to guarantee, I am okay with taking direction on that, but otherwise the mystery is better.

[Skelly]

Aureal - 1-Shot Neighborizer (Formerly Universal Backup); Became 1-Shot Neighborizer at the end of the night
CubicalSucrose - Treestumps if killed at night; No action
Dannflor - Death Miller; No action
Firebringer - 1-Shot Wagon Dayvig; Shot ITF day 1
Immortal Technique - Watcher; Watched Python, saw only Radical Rat
Radical Rat - Buccaneer; Buccaneer'd usesPython
Scorpious - Singer; No action
Skelly - Ascetic Personal Rolestopper; Rolestopped sloththeholy
sloththeholy - 1-Shot Vigilante; Shot marcistar
Titus - Checks if someone has a Normal role; checked Diluculum
Trace0n - 1-Shot PT Cop 1-Shot Traffic Analyst; PT Copped Scorpius, no PT access
Trekkie99 - Novice Jailkeeper; Did nothing
usesPython - 1-Shot Amnesiac Cop; Copped IT, sent to Sloth

5 person POE wins here

Python/Sloth/IT/Firebringer are our never kill
Skelly/RR/Aureal are our probably town

leaves Cube/Dann/Scorp/Titus/Trace/Trekkie

We're thinking we flip Trace then move Scorp into town on a green flip and win the game?

I get where you're going with this...
But like, how does that make Scorp town on a green flip when that could just as easily be traitor.
There's a counter to cop, a counter to tracker watcher, there's gonna be some counter to PT cop.

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

CubicalSucrose (3):

Trace0n, usesPython, Radical Rat

Scorpious (1):

Aureal

usesPython (1):

CubicalSucrose

Titus (1):

sloththeholy

Not Voting (7):

Dannflor, Firebringer, Immortal Technique, Scorpious, Skelly, Titus, Trekkie99

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Mod Notes: All good!

Deadline:

(expired on 2025-03-28 17:00:00)

[Radical Rat]

Okay so uh. Game's not actually in easy mode.

I had confirmed during the night that my Buccaneer and a Roleblocker would cancel each other out, but didn't actually know how visitation would pan out.

jjh thought it was weird I'd show up to IT in that case, and we did double check with T-Bone to make sure, and indeed if that were the case, I should not have registered as visiting Python. I also asked T-Bone to double check action resolution, and he said no errors occurred.

So that means IT is lying, and we need an explanation why.

[Radical Rat]

Vote Count

CubicalSucrose (3):

Trace0n, usesPython, Radical Rat

Scorpious (1):

Aureal

usesPython (1):

CubicalSucrose

Titus (1):

sloththeholy

Not Voting (7):

Dannflor, Firebringer, Immortal Technique, Scorpious, Skelly, Titus, Trekkie99

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Mod Notes: All good!

Deadline:

(expired on 2025-03-28 17:00:00)

I should be on Scorpious I think.

But also I don't actually want to be anymore so uh.

VOTE: Trekkie99

[Immortal Technique]

Okay so uh. Game's not actually in easy mode.

I had confirmed during the night that my Buccaneer and a Roleblocker would cancel each other out, but didn't actually know how visitation would pan out.

jjh thought it was weird I'd show up to IT in that case, and we did double check with T-Bone to make sure, and indeed if that were the case, I should not have registered as visiting Python. I also asked T-Bone to double check action resolution, and he said no errors occurred.

So that means IT is lying, and we need an explanation why.

IT is not lying

There is your explanation

[Radical Rat]

Then something extremely fucky is happening because there should have been no situation in which you would see me visiting Anyone with a Watcher effect.

[usesPython]

Mod error 2 episode 1?

[Trekkie99]

Someone(s) lying

surprised-pikachu.png

[Radical Rat]

Okay so uh. Game's not actually in easy mode.

I had confirmed during the night that my Buccaneer and a Roleblocker would cancel each other out, but didn't actually know how visitation would pan out.

jjh thought it was weird I'd show up to IT in that case, and we did double check with T-Bone to make sure, and indeed if that were the case, I should not have registered as visiting Python. I also asked T-Bone to double check action resolution, and he said no errors occurred.

So that means IT is lying, and we need an explanation why.

IT is not lying

There is your explanation

Could you ask Bingle's take on all this?

[usesPython]

In order for IT to be mafia it'd mean either:

• IT and sloth are both mafia
  
• IT is the second Godfather
  
• Mafia redirected our check to a townie

Think it's fair to assume IT town and save brainpower

[Radical Rat]

@usesPython

Could you ask about how roleblocking/redirection of who you choose to receive the results affects things?

I'm talking through possibilities with jjh and need to have all these edge cases covered as much as possible.

[Trekkie99]

Mafia redirected our check to a townie

^ This's where my money is at

[Radical Rat]

Redirecting Python should not have been possible unless I was also interfered with in some way.

[Trekkie99]

I also bet scum has a jug

[Radical Rat]

Okay, false alarm everyone.

Apparently this game just uses wacky action resolution and Watcher has priority over my redirection effect.