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Post Post #2350 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2025 5:52 pm

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In post 2348, Gamma Emerald wrote: Grrr
I really hope nsg is town then because if she’s scum then I foresee our future games together being rather soured by this experience
i hope they aren't, sincerely! i'm not above being wrong. i'm wrong
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i just check myself & find myself back on town!nsg so consistently that i kind of want people who aren't reaching the same conclusion to work through it with me
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Post Post #2351 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2025 5:53 pm

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I thinm it’s lowkey fucking insane nsg still has as much sway as she does after leading votes on 2 town
First read of the game just came in Gamma is town. And now if she’s Scum I look like a clown.
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Post Post #2352 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:16 pm

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When i asked people at the time what they thought about nsg's vote on you, it seemed like the consensus was "yeah thats not gonna happen"
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Post Post #2353 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2025 8:09 pm

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I generally like the ways nsg has been wrong in this game and being wrong is not a scum indicator, like, reliably
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Post Post #2354 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2025 9:06 pm

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In post 2339, hellbooks wrote: here is a question, again for people who know cakez as a player. do you think cakez here is trying as hard as he would if he was the most likely lim in a final 3 ELO?

this is the thing here -- town and scum are living in different worlds
town is living in D3
scum is living in ELO
sir cakez feels pretty similar to me here as he did in this game:

viewtopic.php?t=93255&user_select%5B%5D=26092

He also made it to f3 elo and put in a similar amount of effort as he’s putting in here imo
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Post Post #2355 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2025 9:07 pm

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In post 2351, Gamma Emerald wrote: I thinm it’s lowkey fucking insane nsg still has as much sway as she does after leading votes on 2 town
I mean no one is sheeping her onto you right now so im not sure what you mean about sway

I think she’s town

I also think you are town

If you think that’s game losing we can talk about it but I don’t think her scum reading you currently is a Problem
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Post Post #2356 (ISO) » Wed Mar 26, 2025 9:44 pm

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stay true friends we just have to yeet the scum
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Post Post #2357 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 6:10 am

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In post 2354, Dannflor wrote:
In post 2339, hellbooks wrote: here is a question, again for people who know cakez as a player. do you think cakez here is trying as hard as he would if he was the most likely lim in a final 3 ELO?

this is the thing here -- town and scum are living in different worlds
town is living in D3
scum is living in ELO
sir cakez feels pretty similar to me here as he did in this game:

viewtopic.php?t=93255&user_select%5B%5D=26092

He also made it to f3 elo and put in a similar amount of effort as he’s putting in here imo
maybe someone can sanity check me on this
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Post Post #2358 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:09 am

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i did look through that game yesterday mostly to see if you were treating him differently here

i didn't really come to strong conclusions about you or him, i think the main thing i noticed when looking at cakez games is that the tendency still seems to be alive for him to go a bit overboard on having really strong opinions

i had that in my brain but wasn't sure if it was old meta

i didn't really find a scum game where he had the kind of unsureness and lack of direction in terms of reads that he's expressed here, usually it kinda feels like he picks an angle and really tries to sell it

doesn't mean there isn't one, i didn't look at that many

last game is probably the closest to lacking strong opinions but there also wasn't really visible thought process either, it was just kind of an empty void
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Post Post #2359 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:12 am

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In post 2267, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: gamma
In post 2268, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: sir cakez nvm
what was the thought process here
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Post Post #2360 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:16 am

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In post 2285, hellbooks wrote:
In post 2189, fireisredsir wrote: at present moment i kinda think it's like exactly either dann/tw or ari/cakez
given the votes would you consider cakez/tw to be an Impossible Pairing
no not particularly. i think a lot of pairings are probably possible they just don't necessarily feel super click-y to me
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Post Post #2361 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:30 am

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In post 2303, northsidegal wrote: i think dann/tw is unlikely both because i think dann is town individually and i think they would probably have a lot more theater here? also think both the worst and dann would probably be slightly more focused on aristeia or at least some kind of easier elimination here, there's kind of an agreement here between them on cakez but i wonder if they wouldn't have already both slid onto gamma or ari

if dann is scum i think he basically just yes-ands me to death here which is definitely not what's happening
1) why would they need theatre here? like yes they could, i guess, but i don't think they would want or need to necessarily. people are on the lookout for scum intentionally distancing themselves here. and when town will wifom themselves into potentially suspecting any pattern of behavior, you might as well take the one that more directly accomplishes your goals (in this case, being more strongly hand in hand with each other)

2) they both started by feeling things out, dann on me, worst on cakez, and after i said "i think it's in [dann, ari, tw]" in they both moved to ari like. right away. and pushed there for a bit. and then after a bit they both slid to cakez, and will probably eventually slide back to ari. this feels to be kind of exactly what you are describing they should be doing

3) i think scum!dann doesn't need to do anything in particular when it comes to you at this point and certainly wouldn't want to do anything to disrupt your read on him. being overly openly pockety at this stage in the game seems like a poor choice to me and i don't think he would do that
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Post Post #2362 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:34 am

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Post Post #2363 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:07 am

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while reading dann's iso for the day again and seeing his read and vote movements, i think the swings in opinion are a lot broader than i would expect from town!dann here

even if he's in "im not sure of anything" mode i think there's still a few stronger beliefs that he tends to revisit or cling to and it's difficult for me to fully track the evolution of thought process and read progressions

he started the day with a fairly solid base to work from, with feeling fairly confident in his placement of cakez and the worst at the bottom. this is pretty much textbook for a dann/tw team to enter the day with wanting to almost-but-not-quite solve the game, plan to elim sircakez, let the worst convince you of his towniness through innate charisma and presence, let him escape, and then just power through the final day

this all feels fine so far, it makes perfect sense for a scum!dann, but it also is a reasonable progression and state of reads for town!dann, so there's nothing really AI to take away from it

what's strange to me is the way that solid base of reads seems to destabilize over time, and im not really fully sure i can follow why that would be happening for town!dann?

especially the sudden pivot to ari in feels unsupported, and it's especially kinda jarring because it is like... again exactly what scum!dann would need to do if he is suddenly worried about me pushing him/tw

later he seems to lose conviction in his reads, after being pushed a bit, but i'm not really sure why that reaction comes out. i don't know. i do tend to also start off more confident and gradually lose that confidence over the course of the day. but it's still hard for me to track the progression from start of day to ending up at , when i don't think there's really been that much that would have happened to erode his confidence in his reads. the deflatedness though does feel like it would make sense coming from scum who is suddenly being pushed, and i have seen that kind of energy before from scum!dann

i dunno i feel like i am biased and am reading everything as scum but the sudden reconsideration of hellbooks and later of gamma feel out of place to me. i know that displaying doubt and indecision and vote shifting to try to indicate underlying thought process is something scum!dann likes to lean on, and this just feels more like that than something motivated by actual thinking about the game

i think for starting out with the worst as one of his strongest suspects there's a lack of actual mental engagement with the read for him to now be mostly allying himself with tw and voting alongside him and not really checking himself much on that aside from /

like there's not really the same type of approach that he has to me, where he has his suspicions but then is like "no, the reasons to townread are stronger, here's why". it feels like the read change is mostly coming from the "won over by presence and charisma" which he even telegraphs by saying worst is "mind controlling" him in . but it feels i guess more like he's going through the motions of allowing that to happen rather than me actually seeing that development show up in his posts on a deeper level. which makes it feel more like a planned trajectory change than something that is naturally evolving

i guess this is maybe the part where nsg would say "but if they were partners there would be more theatre to be going out of their way to make sure that read change and progression is visible". which. yeah i guess i would expect that. ideally, that would probably be the optimal play. maybe that is slight evidence for town? i don't feel super great about taking it that way though

part of me feels like i am being ungenerous here and there is a plausible town explanation for the read shifts. it's just hard for me to see that underlying thought progression behind the shifts, and in combination with it feeling like it does very specifically align with what would benefit scum!dann, that feels more likely to be what i'm seeing here
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Post Post #2364 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:08 am

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sorry for big post it's not even like a case i am just kind of thinking out loud and pointing out what i see as far as approach to this day phase
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Post Post #2365 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:10 am

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In post 2359, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 2267, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: gamma
In post 2268, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: sir cakez nvm
what was the thought process here
I was thinking about doing a reaction test of my own and seeing if anyone would take that vote and the nsg/gamma discussion currently happening as an opening to shift towards a gamma wagon

But idk I kinda decided it could just end up doing more harm than good and wasn’t sure it was a great route to actually getting good information
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Post Post #2366 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:12 am

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I wasn’t actually reconsidering gamma there

I thought this reactions to nsg were pretty towny

But I thought they looked surface level scummy in a way scum might be tempted to start voting him if they thought it was a viable wagon
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Post Post #2367 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:16 am

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fire would you not expect me to create pretty good looking trajectories as scum

Have you seen me do those sort of weak trajectories specifically as scum before

Frankly I think part of what you’re seeing is me being pretty crunched for time this week and exclusively phone posting pretty much on the go and only spending my time and words on the places i really feel i need to
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Post Post #2368 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:17 am

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Also, is there like a reason you haven’t asked me specifically more to talk about my read on the worst this day phase?
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Post Post #2369 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:24 am

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can you talk more about your read on the worst this day phase
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Post Post #2370 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:24 am

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I will try to do some rereading and distill some words about how I’m reading the worst when I get some time later today

It’s kind of been in flux and cakez had mostly captured my attention a lot of today and tw felt in step with that which conversely made me feel better about him, but you might be right at least in that I haven’t paid him as much close attention as I really shouldp

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Post Post #2371 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:26 am

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I am feeling like it’s more and more likely ari is a mislim in this game state and that makes me think the worst as scum is more likely
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Post Post #2372 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:28 am

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i think cakez is literally just the elim

i mean sure there are other canidates but i would rather not lose to an escaped scum!cakez
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Post Post #2373 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:29 am

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well, i dont think “who would i like to lose to least” is why i’d want to lim anyone here

Do you think cakez is scum
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Post Post #2374 (ISO) » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:29 am

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In post 2367, Dannflor wrote: fire would you not expect me to create pretty good looking trajectories as scum

Have you seen me do those sort of weak trajectories specifically as scum before

Frankly I think part of what you’re seeing is me being pretty crunched for time this week and exclusively phone posting pretty much on the go and only spending my time and words on the places i really feel i need to
i think either way you'd be crunched for time but my thought process was more that i feel like given that, if you were town i'd be more able to see the underlying workings of the read shifts while if you're scum there'd be a higher chance that you'd only really be doing a surface level facsimile of the shifts. which is more what it looks like to me

i do think if you had the time then you'd be able to put more meat into your progressions as either alignment, my point isn't "there's a lack of substance" but more that the nebulousness feels like it's coming in places and in ways that make more sense if you're scum than if you're town
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